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post #181 of 221
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Originally Posted by BellinghamCrunchie View Post
You won't allow people with Section 8 vouchers to live in your neighborhood. That means you will not allow MITB and several other people here to live in your neighborhood. Do you really think that's okay?
Yes I do. Because the govt gives me no guarantees about who will live in my home. If we allowed homeowners to accept sec 8 vouchers, there would be no control on who lived here.
post #182 of 221
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Originally Posted by Imogen View Post
I think that you're quite mistaken. Your entire attitude throughout the thread has implied exactly that.

Section 8 = low income = low income areas have higher crime levels = thus having lower morals and standards = more crime
Not all low income and poor families live in sec 8 housing. not all those on sec 8 commit crimes etc. However statistically and historically neighborhoods and areas with govt subsideized housing have higher crime rates? Why dont you explain how that happens?
post #183 of 221
About half of my neighborhood is rent-assist (our version of section 8). You would never know which houses they are. We can afford to live in a HOA neighborhood if we want. It is not a lesson of elitism I want to model for my dd. I like my neighborhood. Yes, people can paint thier houses crazy colors, no one has to have a garage, and you can make your front yard into wilderness if you want. I like that I can have a compost pile and hang my laundry outside. I like that we can have a beater car with low gas mileage parked on the street. I like that I can mingle with people from all walks of life. We have no crime. Stray cats are about our biggest "problem". You (OTF) characterize neighborhhods with high percentages of section 8 as statistically crime-ridden. That just has not been my experience. Yes, when you force ALL of the low income people into unbearable living conditions (like large projects) then desparation, depression, and lack of perspective make them into crime ridden areas. But when you mix up your neighborhoods to include all sorts of people, I just do not see this problem. Maybe my property value is lower because the house next door houses a family on rent-assist. I doubt it though, as I had no idea my neighbors were even on it until the mother mentioned it to me one day 2 years after I moved in. Ironically, the one "drug house" we have in this neighborhood is privately owned and the owners are not on any sort of assistance. And while I am annoyed that we have a drug house in this neighborhood, it could be anywhere. As a neighborhood, we all keep an eye on it and will be happy to call the cops (several of which live in our neighborhood) the minute we see something that could get them in trouble. My friend who lives in a high-end HOA is having the same problem with a drug house. IT HAPPENS EVERYWHERE.

The judgement in this thread is sickening. It is this sort of attitude that forces all of the poor people into concentrated areas which cause the behavior that is "expected" of them.
post #184 of 221
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Originally Posted by OnTheFence View Post
I never said that. Nope. Nadda. Didn't even imply that.
You most certainly did. Over and over again.


THIS THREAD NEEDS TO BE LOCKED. NAY, it needs to be DELETED entirely so as not to spread the absolute junk you are spouting.

Oh, and by the way, Section 8 is NOT a housing complex, community, etc. With a section 8 voucher, you can live in the nicest, privately owned townhouse if the owner accepts Section 8 (and the rent amount falls in the proper range). People with Section 8 vouchers find their own (regular) apts/townhomes/houses. They are not buildings lumped together as Section 8 housing. Get the facts straight.
post #185 of 221
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Originally Posted by OnTheFence View Post
Not all low income and poor families live in sec 8 housing. not all those on sec 8 commit crimes etc. However statistically and historically neighborhoods and areas with govt subsideized housing have higher crime rates? Why dont you explain how that happens?
The answer to that question is plain to anyone who has any interest in the root causes of poverty, crime and racism within the U.S, even more so since the reduction of manufacturing and industry within the U.S as a consequence of moving production overseas.

But then, there are also other factors to consider, the emphasis that has been placed upon individualism and materialism at the expense of the family/community.

The explaination is indepth and not simplistic in anyway at all. And cannot be given justice in a single thread.

It is NO wonder that people who are caught in the poverty cycle cannot pull themselves out of it. From what I've witnessed on this thread, it's an impossible obstacle to overcome considering people are not prepared to offer people the opportunities to better their lives, or move into better areas. But hey, we wouldn't want to upset the perfectly manicured lawns now :-)

And on that note, my son will be home in a few minutes, be well
post #186 of 221
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Originally Posted by OnTheFence View Post
If we allowed homeowners to accept sec 8 vouchers, there would be no control on who lived here.
A homeowner that accepts Section 8 still has complete control over who they accept as tenants. The person interested in the apt/home still has to fill out an application just like any other renter and the owner can choose the family they like best.
Again, get your facts straight.
post #187 of 221
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Originally Posted by BellinghamCrunchie View Post
Your reasons for not allowing Section 8 people to live in your neighborhood are that the property values might decrease, and crime and drugs might increase. Your evidence is questionable, but let's assume there is some validity to what you are saying. People of African American descent are also associated with higher crime and higher drug use areas. So by your own standards, you also need to keep blacks out. Asians are reportedly associated with organized crime. Russians tend to modify their houses to accomodate their family's needs, and don't have good knowledge of housing codes, so end up violating housing codes. Hispanics sometimes like to live together in large families, so they might want to convert the garage to an extra bedroom. What blasphemy to your covenants. People with lower IQ tend to work in lower-paying jobs, and thus tend to be part of a lower-socioeconomic class. Maybe you need to give people IQ tests before they move in.

Do you really still think your beliefs are acceptable and healthy?

If you get a moment, please explain how there is any difference between discriminating based on poverty vs. discrimination based on race, since there is "historical, social, and statistical" evidence to include these for the same reasons.
I live in a neighborhood that is NOT predominately white. We actually chose to live here for that reason, for racial and religious diversity. The people who chose to live here, chose to live here being aware of the covenants and restrictions. I definintely do not see the choice of not allowing homeowners to take government vouchers for rent as discrimination. There are people of low income that live here, many on SSI, however they are not on govt housing vouchers.
And you make some wide assumptions about my standards. You don't know me, or my family.
post #188 of 221
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Originally Posted by OdeToJoy View Post
A homeowner that accepts Section 8 still has complete control over who they accept as tenants. The person interested in the apt/home still has to fill out an application just like any other renter and the owner can choose the family they like best.
Again, get your facts straight.
This isn't exactly true. See our extended family has rental property and when asked if they would accept section 8, we were told (those involved with the property) that we would not be able to pick and chose who got to live in the houses. Also, the owner is not given full disclosure of the tenets either, they are only given a limited amount of information so that an owner could not discriminate against someone based on race.
post #189 of 221
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Originally Posted by OnTheFence View Post
There are people of low income that live here, many on SSI, however they are not on govt housing vouchers.
And you make some wide assumptions about my standards. You don't know me, or my family.
Again, you placed your standards out there in black and white for everyone to read.

Do you go around your neighborhood asking about peoples financial life, or is SSI just one of those things you can "tell" by looking too?

post #190 of 221
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Originally Posted by OnTheFence View Post
This isn't exactly true. See our extended family has rental property and when asked if they would accept section 8, we were told (those involved with the property) that we would not be able to pick and chose who got to live in the houses. Also, the owner is not given full disclosure of the tenets either, they are only given a limited amount of information so that an owner could not discriminate against someone based on race.
This is absolutly false. When you accept Section 8, you do just that. Potential renters fill out applications just like anyone else. You can deny them, or choose someone else if you don't feel its a good fit. No, you cannot deny them because of race, or anything else discriminatory. Having their name, you are also allowed to run your own background checks on someone to learn their history. Nothing stops a landlord from doing that.
post #191 of 221
For the question in the OP, would I send my kids to live with my parents for them to go to a better school, no, *I* would not.

Why is that? Well, because I am very fortunate, I could go live with my parents if it ever came to that (actually, when I was pregnant with my first, my dh was laid off, and we lived with my folks for one month ). I was so fortunate that it was only one month, and that my parents were willing. My dh and I are so lucky to have many family members and friends that would let our whole family live with them if need be.

I was born with lots of privilege, I mean, We qualified for free lunch and stuff, my parents both worked very hard to provide the basics, but- again, they had parents they could've (and did) turn to in times of need.

It is heartbreaking that we live in such an affluent society and some people have to make choices about which of their children can stay with them, we should all be saddened by that.

As for Section 8 housing, my only experience with that is that our first home was a 2 family house, and our last upstairs tenant was a single mom who was on Section 8. I really knew nothing about it, and we weren't listed as Section 8 housing at the time. This girl came to see the apartment with 2 printed sheets of paper, one that told about her, her job, her schooling, her child, her parents, etc. and the other told what exactly Section 8 was, how it would work for us, and for us to please not tell anyone about her being on it: . She offered to pay the first month's rent in full on her own, because she knew we didn't have time for Section 8, she also offered to paint the apartment (old house, no doubt had lead paint) and have her dad change out the bathroom outlet. The inspection went ok, and all we had to do was pay for the paint for her, and pay for the outlet-changing supplies (and she would've paid for those 2, but we didn't think she should have to).

She was an awesome tenant and I am really glad I didn't have lots of pre-conceived notions about Section 8, b/c as it worked out, she was able to have a really nice apartment (we later found out no one near us rented to Section 8) in a good school district, and we had a really nice tenant.
post #192 of 221
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Originally Posted by WitchyMama2 View Post
This is absolutly false. When you accept Section 8, you do just that. Potential renters fill out applications just like anyone else. You can deny them, or choose someone else if you don't feel its a good fit. No, you cannot deny them because of race, or anything else discriminatory. Having their name, you are also allowed to run your own background checks on someone to learn their history. Nothing stops a landlord from doing that.
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post #193 of 221
Thread Starter 
About 100 pages too late.
post #194 of 221
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MamaInTheBoonies View Post
Ppl in poverty don't have the money nor the means to purchase drugs/alcohol.
Wow, talk about a blanket statement. This is untrue for a fairly large portion of people.
post #195 of 221
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MamaInTheBoonies View Post
It is not easy to get accepted when you apply, so, this whole idea that drug abusers and alcoholics are on Section 8 is just absurd. That is all I was pointing out. Married couples are even less likely to get Section 8, so, the idea that they would not know what a husband was up to, is also ridiculous.

Your Section 8 is very different than any I have experienced or have knowledge of. Most of the people I know who are on Section 8 are married with kids. I can count on one hand the number of people who are single on Section 8 that I know.
post #196 of 221
Thread Starter 
Found the answer.
post #197 of 221
ster·e·o·type (stĕr'ē-ə-tīp', stîr'-) pronunciation
n.

1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.
2. One that is regarded as embodying or conforming to a set image or type.

It is stereotypical to go from a few people of a certain group (the people she knows) who act in one manner to the large group of people (all people on Section 8) who may or may not act in the same manner.

ETA: Sorry that came out kinda snarky.
post #198 of 221
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by lalaland42 View Post
ster·e·o·type (stĕr'ē-ə-tīp', stîr'-) pronunciation
n.

1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image.
2. One that is regarded as embodying or conforming to a set image or type.

It is stereotypical to go from a few people of a certain group (the people she knows) who act in one manner to the large group of people (all people on Section 8) who may or may not act in the same manner.
See above post 196.
post #199 of 221
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Originally Posted by WitchyMama2 View Post
Again, you placed your standards out there in black and white for everyone to read.

Do you go around your neighborhood asking about peoples financial life, or is SSI just one of those things you can "tell" by looking too?

No, I have friends who live in my neighborhood on SSI. LMAO.
I dont ask about peoples financials lives in the neighborhood, I really don't care.
post #200 of 221
OnTheFence: You repeatedly say that if you rent to people with Section 8 you don't get to screen the tenants. THIS IS AN UNTRUTH. Because you said this, I downloaded the landlord handbook for Alabama and looked through it. On page 3, in bold, there is the following statement:

Owners are encouraged to carefully screen prospective tenants.

Here is the link: http://www.habd.org/LandlordHandbook.pdf

It took me all of 5 minutes to find this, why did you not do any research before you went shooting off your mouth about being required to rent to druggies by accepting Section 8 housing? You know that there are people on this board who are on Section 8. Don't you think it is bad form to make sweeping generalizations like that? It's not as if everyone in a group of people are all the same. Or just because some are druggies all are.
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