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post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
I have been reading Raising our children, Raising ourselves and I really like the book, being a control freak, it has helped me take a step back and look at my parenting style and how to parent unconditionally. Right now, I'm questiong my choices and decisions on a particular incident:

We were at a museum eating with my 3yo and our friends (2 other moms and 2 other kids). We all packed a lunch, as we do several times a week for park play dates, etc. My DD was in preschool, while I made grilled cheese sandwiches and cut up veggies and fruit. Of course I knew that the sandwiches would not stay hot by the time we eat them, and it was the 1st time I decided to try to bring something like this instead of our usual turkey or hummus or cream cheese sandwiches. Well, it was 1pm by the time we ate, DD is in school from 8:30 to 11 (she has a snack at school) and I think she was tired by lunchtime. She still naps a few times a week esp. since school started.

She has a tendency to want to eat what others have, which I'm flexible with, we also share what we have, but I'm also trying to teach her that we have our own lunch. It started out that she wanted a cheese stick that our friends were eating, my friend offered it to her, I said, "well I'd like her to eat what we brought first". DD was acting bratty, pushed her sandwich across the table, saying "no", kind of whiny, etc. I realized then that she was getting tired. She asked me for plain bread, I said we don't have any. My friend offered her some cut up melon, which DD ate. She ate some veggies and a couple of slices of orange that I brought too, but IMO really didn't eat much for what I would consider a good lunch. DD kept asking for ice cream as soon as she heard someone else mention it, and I said "no not right now", she proceeded to ask, in a whiney way of course "I want a treat", why not, etc, etc. My friend's kids had eaten their lunch and she bought the older one a rainbow popsicle. It came in a pack of 2, and I guess she misunterstood me when I told DD that she couldn't have it, b/c she came over to DD's seat and started handing it to her. DD looked at me and I said no, you can't have it right now, and of course she proceeded to cry very loud, and then the baby started crying too, so I packed up and left. Later, my friend who felt bad, left a message for me, she was sorry, she thought that since DD ate the melon that it was okay for her to eat the popsicle, she said I'm so much better with nutrition for my kids, she's much more relaxed about it. I tried to stick to the facts, I explained to DD as we were leaving, "sometimes we have popsicles and sometimes we don't, they're not that healthy for you and you need to have a healthier lunch so you don't get sick".

So, I'm trying for get through the grey areas of not controlling my kids, but also teaching them good habits. I mean she does have to bathe, brush her teeth and hair, get out of her pajamas at some point, etc. She resists ALL of these things. I try to live by example with my eating habits. But she's obsessed with treats and snacks. She used to be a good eater, but recently I've noticed that she's not getting a lot of quality nutrition b/c she's eating more snacks and sugar. I try to let go, not make an issue of food but at that point, I admit her behavior (for example, pushing her sandwich across the table) was getting to me. And, I couldn't stand the thought of her eating a artificial color, sugar, no nutritional value popcicle for lunch. The book says to parent without worrying what others will think of you, that is why I was sticking to my guns of her not eating it. This was what I felt was right. But, I'm still questioning whether it was right or no for me to do b/c I also felt like a horrible mother, not allowing my child to have a popsicle when her friend was. There have been plenty of times where DD has had treats, junk, etc. b/c I've given in. And, it's not like she never has unhealthy stuff, I've defintely let go of her diet a lot in the last year or so. She fell asleep in the car, and later that afternoon we discussed other options to bring for lunch so that she will eat what we pack. I want her to make some decisions, so she said "plain bread and banana bread", next time I will bring cheese (which I usually do, just happened to not have it that time), and stuff that she will definitely eat. I know where I was coming from also (I stressed making these sandwiches and packing the lunch b/c I was trying to get out of the house to pick her up from school), so next time I won't use that as a reason to control or react the way I did.

Please post thoughts on this!
TIA
post #2 of 10
I haven't read the book but here are my thoughts. I think you created a bad situation. You had a tired preschooler on your hands and decided to make changes to the way your lunch dates where going to go, at least from what I gathered. Was your friend used to sharing food with your dd? Was your dd used to getting food from your friend? I understand what you wanted to do but I think the timing may have been bad. IMO lessons are never taught when a child is tired and hungry and mom is annoyed. I think you have great ideas for next time. I would let her help you make lunch and do it when you have time to. Talk about how you want her to eat this lunch first and then if she is still hungry there can be some sharing with friends. Talk about the changes you would like to make while you are not rushed or annoyed with her behavior and while she is more receptive.

I'd write more but babe is calling. Micky
post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 
Normall, we just bring our own lunches, it's not like a picnic/potluck style lunch that we plan, we don't bring enough for everyone. But, DD just tends to see what others are eating and stares at them, and the parents end up asking her if she wants what they have. The main thing for me was the whole popsicle situation.

I totally agree about a tired preschooler and that not being the time to teach lessons, but then was I supposed to let her have the popsicle?
post #4 of 10
Hey mama,
It's hard to say, not being there, but I probably would have let my child have the popsicle - although it would have greatly annoyed me to do so if she was being bratty about the rest of the lunch. I think you were in a difficult situation, but being tired and watching her friend get treats is just too hard on your child, IMO. I'm a little anal about my kids diet, and luckily for me they eat really well and are not too fussy, but when we're around other folks, out in public, who are eating crap and enjoying themselves, I relax my standards quite a bit (OK, almost all the way! , and often eat the crap too!). Sorry you had such a hard time - I can totally relate!
post #5 of 10
First, the amount of openness you display by posting this thread and asking for opinions floors me! I admire very much your ability to 'detach' from the situation enough to invite critique. I know that for myself, it is a struggle not to get defensive esp. when it comes to parenting, or issues i have deep and strong gut feelings about. So, first let me tell you thank you and let me assure you that this is no apology for what i want to say next.

Which is, i agree with what you said about your dd seeming tired, and i agree with you that a tired toddler, even grown people for that matter, cannot be relied upon for their tolerance and understanding. While it seems hardly imaginable to me that being asked to eat the cheese on the bread, rather than plain bread followed by a stick shaped piece of cheese as your dd would have preferred, while it seems hardly possible that this could be viewed by anyone as a real hardship........ my own near 3yr old dd confirms this reality on a daily basis. the beverage must have a towel wrapped around if too cold, take the 'peel' off of her hot dog, water to drink must have color added to be palatable colored vessel will not do..... etc etc

But, i remind myself as you do too, that these little girls are ,after, all three years old. and they act like it sometimes too. i think it may be beyond, scratch that i know , that it is beyond comprehension to my dd that a Popsicle could be being eaten within eye-shot and not be by all rights "hers", to drool on and drop in the grass. This, of course, if she did not already have one to call her own.

I fully understand where your friend was coming from with offering to share the other half with your dd. This is my own personal feeling, of course, but i don't think i would allow my dd to eat a Popsicle in front of a child who wanted one but did not have one. I also don't think my dd would eat one and not offer to share if she knew another child wanted some. When i said earlier that she would have no problem with claiming someone else's treat as her own... what i mean is she would expect that that person share. and she should not expect that, but hey, shes three and she does.
I think that if i were in your friends shoes, and i knew that the child's mother had forbidden the treat, i would quietly explain to my dd that the other child's mother had said no and that we could eat our treat later. even though shes three, i think even she would get that.

Some thoughts on what caused this situation:
dd was tired and still very freshly emerged from the stresses (whatever they are, i know they exist) of her busy preschool day.
you took it personally when she disliked what you had chosen to make for lunch.
she took food that was not hers. granted, it was offered to her.... but this is still a pet peeve of yours -the taking other's food thing.
she was upset and did not eat well
causing you to feel anxiety over her nutrition
then the double whammy of the Popsicle which is both someone else's food and not nutritious
causing you to say no to the treat
causing her to feel upset
and the other mom sees upset and tries to help with sharing treat
causing another bad boo boo between you and dd since you decide to stick to your guns


but you know all that

its just that........ sticking to your guns is OK
but so is allowing for dd to indulge in a Popsicle.

in my opinion, her feelings should have won out over your concerns about etiquette and nutrition this time.
asking her to understand those things is like asking her to understand... well, i just think that it was a bit optimistic of you.
but, i don't think it was optimistic of her to expect you to understand her wanting the treat, or to expect that you would help her handle the situation positively.

Again, let me emphasize, these are my own thoughts. I don't expect that they be adopted into your own, I'm just taking the opportunity to share.

respectfully,
anj119
post #6 of 10
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Originally Posted by LylasMom View Post
Normall, we just bring our own lunches, it's not like a picnic/potluck style lunch that we plan, we don't bring enough for everyone. But, DD just tends to see what others are eating and stares at them, and the parents end up asking her if she wants what they have. The main thing for me was the whole popsicle situation.

I totally agree about a tired preschooler and that not being the time to teach lessons, but then was I supposed to let her have the popsicle?
If you let her have the popsicle is really up to you. I personally would have. It sounded like it was offered to her and then you said no. Its really hard at that point to take something away from a 3 year old, when its already been offered and the friend is having one. I completely understand you wanting to stick to your guns, I've btdt. But what I have learned is there is a time and place for it and this didn't sound like a time, place and situation *I* would have done it.

With 3 year olds I think prevention is key to so many issues. Recognizing your childs feelings and your own is so important. I know you see that now and its sooooo much easier after the fact, I know! Being in the middle of it its a little more difficult to separate your own feelings from the situation and evaluate them and then be able to make decisions. But being able to prevent your child from being tired (not always possible I know), being stressed about time, being stressed about what the lunches, etc will reduce the need to make decisions when your feelings are gettig in the way. I don't know if I making any sense. The babe was up ALL night long : .
post #7 of 10
Typically, when we go somewhere with friends, we as mothers put our heads together and talk ahead of time about what treats will be purchased. Because it is inevitably hard otherwise. It might be a good idea to plan ahead in that way for nex time, for your own sake as well as your dd's.

But in that situation, I'd have thrown in the towel and let her have the pop. just to salvage the outing. Kids tend to make up their nutritional needs on their own timeline. Either of my children would have eaten a healthy snack within an hour or two of lunch, if they didn't eat enough then.
post #8 of 10
I would have let her have the popsicle.

I think that it is plenty difficult but the best way to know if you are doing the right thing is to try to see the situation from your daughters perspective. It is hard, maybe impossible, for a two-year old to watch another child getting a treat and not want one herself. I agree that what your friend did might have been a bit insensitive but again, that was her right. I personally would not have done that. But your daughter had a natural reaction to it and I would have let her have it.

My daughter went through a phase where she would eat two bites of dinner and say she was done and ready for dessert. I would let her have dessert (which tends to be pretty healthy in our house - I make zucchini bread and sweet potato pudding often!) and then she would always say that she wanted to eat more dinner afterwards. I refuse to battle over meals so I let her be my guide.
post #9 of 10
I probably would have let her have the popsicle too, but I think I would have been a little annoyed with my friend for buying it before my dd was finished eating her lunch.

In the future, I would try to lay the foundation for a better lunch by talking about eating our own lunch before we got there (maybe you've done this already?) I think talking to her about what she'd like to bring is a great idea.

I might also consider whether she needs a little more downtime-- preschool and 3 playdates a week would have been way too much for my kids at that age.

HTH!

ZM
post #10 of 10
Honestly? I try not to say no unless it's a safety thing. It works in our family and my kids are amazingly healthy (except for dd1's wheat sensitivity...but she regulates that. She's going be 6 this weekend).

It avoids putting me on the other side of these kinds of issues with her and helps us be "a problem-solving family."
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