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[mamakay]

Originally Posted by Shodan

I also have a 10% hearing loss in one ear because I was not vaccinated against measles.

Deafness is not a complication of measles as far as I know.
Shodan, can you provide a link on how often that happens?
I think it happens in either one in 20,000 or one in 200,000 with Mumps.
Is that what you're thinking of?
Are you sure you're not just trying to blame your slight deafness in one ear on a VPD because it validates your beliefs about the wonders of vaccination?

[menudo]

Please understand that:

Not being vaccinated cannot cause hearing loss. Lack of vaccination does not always equal disease or risk. Vaccination does not mean you will not get the disease or have ill effects from that disease. Even those who support vaccination admit it is far from 100% effective. I am sorry to hear anyone has long term side effects from any illness BUT to blame it on not being vaccinated makes no sense at all.

[trmpetplaya]

ITA that you should stop discussing it with them... I just tell concerned family that we are delaying. I leave off "forever" and then we're both happy and I don't have to (blatantly) lie or evade I'm a really bad liar, but I can lie through omission :

love and peace. 0

[Shodan]

Originally Posted by mamakay

Deafness is not a complication of measles as far as I know.

Then I am happy to enlighten you.
http://www.medinfo.co.uk/conditions/measles.html

I think it happens in either one in 20,000 or one in 200,000 with Mumps.
Is that what you're thinking of?

No, measles and mumps are different diseases.

Are you sure you're not just trying to blame your slight deafness in one ear on a VPD because it validates your beliefs about the wonders of vaccination?

This sort of thing is what I meant when I posted this:

You are probably not going to get any support from this website if you decide to vaccinate. You will get lots if you decide not to.

If I had claimed that I had hearing loss because of a measles vaccine, it would have been accepted without question as another example of the horrors of vaccination. But since it happened as a result of a disease that can (now) be prevented by vaccination - not so much.

This is why (here I am addressing ICU812) you need to be aware of the way information is approached on this website.

They tend to veer a bit too far towards skepticism when they think something supports the pro-vax position, coupled with almost complete gullibility towards everything else.

Regards,
Shodan

[Sirte]

Originally Posted by Shodan

If I had claimed that I had hearing loss because of a measles vaccine, it would have been accepted without question as another example of the horrors of vaccination. But since it happened as a result of a disease that can (now) be prevented by vaccination - not so much.

But that's not what you originally said, Shodan. Like many other posts I've read from you over the last few days, you're moving the goalposts again. You originally said: "I also have a 10% hearing loss in one ear because I was not vaccinated against measles." (emphasis added by me).

People here were just pointing out that the absence of a measles shot isn't what caused your hearing loss. That's all. Whether it was caused by measles or the medical treatment you may have recieved during measles infection, or as a result of listening to music too loudly, I do not know. But it sure as heck did happen as a result of not getting a measles shot.

[mamakay]

Then I am happy to enlighten you.
http://www.medinfo.co.uk/conditions/measles.html

Uh...I'm not seeing deafness listed.

No, measles and mumps are different diseases.

*gasp*
No freakin' way!

Just kidding. I actually knew that.

If I had claimed that I had hearing loss because of a measles vaccine, it would have been accepted without question as another example of the horrors of vaccination. But since it happened as a result of a disease that can (now) be prevented by vaccination - not so much.

Interestingly, deafness is a potential side effect of the MMR.

I'd have a lot easier time believing that you're deaf from measles if deafness was a known (or heck, even reported or theoretical) complication from measles.

This is why (here I am addressing ICU812) you need to be aware of the way information is approached on this website.

Yep. Case in point, OP. Fact check Shodan and his measles induced deafness anecdote and see what you find out there.

[ICU812]

Originally Posted by Gitti

How old are your kids?

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Kids: 2 & 10- Oldest dd had all vaxes on schedual: Back then i had no info on non-vax, in fact i didn't even think it was an option not to vax, its just what ya did if you had a child oldest dd was always at the ER for one thing or another. 2yr old dd has been healthy, never taken to the ER, but she has had the common childhood stuff, colds, a couple fevers, nothing major yet, lets hope it continues:i'm very bad when it comes to sick kids, i panic and forget what to do end up getting dh so he can calm down the situation,,,,Thank Goodness for DH!

[aira]

I'm interested, Shodan, if you had major respiratory symptoms or ear infection with measles, and if you were treated with abx.

How old were you when you had the measles?

Well, it's not the link I was looking for, but I'm short on time: http://www.utmb.edu/otoref/grnds/snhl.html

Ototoxic medications include antibiotics, loop diuretics, chemotherapeutic agents, and antiinflammatory medications. The cochleotoxic activity of aminoglycosides is in part due to their accumulation and prolonged half-life in perilymph, especially in patients with renal compromise. Energy-dependent incorporation of the antibiotics into hair cells occurs, and results in damage in the outer hair cells, beginning in the basilar turn.

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by ICU812

Kids: 2 & 10- Oldest dd had all vaxes on schedual: Back then i had no info on non-vax, in fact i didn't even think it was an option not to vax, its just what ya did if you had a child oldest dd was always at the ER for one thing or another. 2yr old dd has been healthy, never taken to the ER, but she has had the common childhood stuff, colds, a couple fevers, nothing major yet,

We hear that all the time. Un-vaccinated kids are healthier there is not two ways about it.

i'm very bad when it comes to sick kids, i panic and forget what to do end up getting dh so he can calm down the situation...

That is because there is always someone or something in our background working on making us unsure and afraid. Generally those who do make money from it. They thrive on your fears. Fear is a great business. Look at all it sells. Gosh, back in the 60's people built bunkers because the Russians were coming....

You have to work on getting over your fears. You must realize that humans have survived for millennia and overpopulated this planet. We are not weak nor frail. We are survivors. Trust Mother Nature, she knows what she is doing. The only time when things start to take a turn is when we interfere with the body's natural healing process. But you have to always remember, we already have all the right components in us to heal us and to keep us healthy.

Get yourself a good book on health and healing. Something that does not rely on chemicals or other unnatural things.

When your child gets sick, she knows what she needs. Trust her. She will show you.

[bamamom]

Originally Posted by ICU812

Kids: 2 & 10- Oldest dd had all vaxes on schedual: Back then i had no info on non-vax, in fact i didn't even think it was an option not to vax, its just what ya did if you had a child oldest dd was always at the ER for one thing or another. 2yr old dd has been healthy, never taken to the ER, but she has had the common childhood stuff, colds, a couple fevers, nothing major yet, lets hope it continues:i'm very bad when it comes to sick kids, i panic and forget what to do end up getting dh so he can calm down the situation,,,,Thank Goodness for DH!

hey sweetie..

we have a history of children nearly dying after routine childhood vaxes, so we got permanent medical exemptions after a lot of research.

Please use your instincts, and ignore people who join message boards with an axe to grind. Please look at our feedback, and our posts, and see how long we've been here. Dont allow someone who is new to a place with no reputation to shift you to and fro..

and pm me and i will get you the names of some pediatricians.

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by Shodan

Since you need to have every damn thing pounded into your head -

Take it easy.

Complications of measles can include: ear infections...

Hello! Ear infections. And how often is the results hearing loss? Two different things. One does NOT follow the other per se.

You are trying to be misleading and are doing a fine job.

[bamamom]

There are 2 books on Natural Healing for kids that I love...

Mommy Diagnostics by Shonda Parker, and The Naturally Healthy Pregnancy by Shonda Parker, and any of the Aviva Romm books...they are amazing!!!

Shonda Parker talks about the vax issue, without telling you what to do..and then tells you how to identify things and treat them.

[lyttlewon]

Originally Posted by Shodan

If I had claimed that I had hearing loss because of a measles vaccine, it would have been accepted without question as another example of the horrors of vaccination. But since it happened as a result of a disease that can (now) be prevented by vaccination - not so much.

Shodan you claimed you were deaf because of not being vaccinated which is just silly because lack of vaccination doesn't make someone go deaf.

[Sirte]

Complications of measles can include: ear infections...

Ear infections = deafness. Okay. Got it.

If that were the case, virtually every American child should be walking around partially deaf considering the staggering number of ear infections babies/children in this country suffer from...and I wonder why...

[lyttlewon]

Originally Posted by ICU812

Kids: 2 & 10- Oldest dd had all vaxes on schedual: Back then i had no info on non-vax, in fact i didn't even think it was an option not to vax, its just what ya did if you had a child oldest dd was always at the ER for one thing or another. 2yr old dd has been healthy, never taken to the ER, but she has had the common childhood stuff, colds, a couple fevers, nothing major yet, lets hope it continues:i'm very bad when it comes to sick kids, i panic and forget what to do end up getting dh so he can calm down the situation,,,,Thank Goodness for DH!

You have gotten some good advice but primarily try not to let people bully you. It is amazing what people will try to do if they think you are a push over.

[jarynsmom06]

Ummm....I'm not sure why Shodan is here since this forum is pretty much AGAINST vaccinations??? I'm a little confused. I had ear infections ALL the time when I was little and I never became deaf. I'm not really sure what you are trying to prove. How do you know that ear infection was from the disease and that you didn't have it before?

To the OP.....don't even discuss the choice of not getting your children vaccinated with anyone because it usually leads to an argument. If it's family, I would just say that you would rather not discuss it and if they push it politely tell them it's none of their business because it isn't. It is YOUR child and YOUR decision. If your youngest is 2 and she hasn't had any shots then that is great....she doesn't need them. As many of the people here say....VACCINATIONS ARE NOT NATURAL....

[mamakay]

Shodan...
Why am I having such a hard time finding stats on how often people go deaf from measles?
Do you have that information somewhere?

[zen_monster]

Originally Posted by Shodan

Since you need to have every damn thing pounded into your head -

"The trouble with making yourself more stupid than you really are is that you are so often successful." - C.S.Lewis

Regards,
Shodan

Shodan- I truly welcome dissenters opinions on this board. However, your belligerence is uneccesary and rude. One thing you will find, if you care to stay, is that these mamas have done, and continue to do, an enormous amount of research. We do this out of love and dedication to our children's health and well being. Your posts, thus far, have been quite lacking in providing any information that would support your view points. I look forward to seeing anything of substance in the future.

As a side point, my oldest son had chronic ear infections as an infant. He does not have deafness as a result.

[aira]

Originally Posted by shodan

No, measles is viral - antibiotics don't work.

*sigh*

That doesn't answer my question.

Are you really of the opinion that abx scripts are only written for known bacterial infections? Have MDs never CYAed incase they were wrong, assumed secondary infections, or given prohylactic abx - whether they work or not?

There was a time when abx were thought to be completely harmless, miracle cure-alls, and given out like candy.

So if you don't mind, I'd love an actual answer to my actual question, please. :

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by aira

*sigh*

That doesn't answer my question.

Are you really of the opinion that abx scripts are only written for known bacterial infections? Have MDs never CYAed incase they were wrong, assumed secondary infections, or given prohylactic abx - whether they work or not?

There was a time when abx were thought to be completely harmless, miracle cure-alls, and given out like candy.

So if you don't mind, I'd love an actual answer to my actual question, please. :

Uh, and just nevermind that the ear infection you might get with measles are bacterial.
http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/inf...l/measles.html

Measles also can make the body more susceptible to ear infections or other health problems caused by bacteria.