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[aira]

Originally Posted by mamakay

Uh, and just nevermind that the ear infection you might get with measles are bacterial.
http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/inf...l/measles.html

Exactly.

It's a secondary bacterial infection when the mucous gets trapped...

Measles doesn't infect ears, as far as I know.

The abx are a more likely culprit of hearing loss. I'm also speaking from personal experience here.

[TigerTail]

I am curious if you were fed formula, Shodan. With a history of multiple severe ear infections on both sides of our family (including that of my deceased spouse, father of one of my three children), I have raised children from just-four to nearly-twenty, & not an ear infection amongst them.

Anecdotal evidence, but so is your measles-deafness connection . There is, however, a great deal of evidence that supports not supplementing milk with formula can reduce frequency & severity of ear infections, that is not anecdotal.

Sometimes the crazy hippies have the weight of science on their side.

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by aira

Exactly.

It's a secondary bacterial infection when the mucous gets trapped...

Measles doesn't infect ears, as far as I know.

Right. Measles is a viral respiratory infection.
Which is probably why deafness isn't listed as a complication.

Any time you get a bacterial ear infection there's a good chance it started out as a viral infection of some sort.

[jarynsmom06]

Originally Posted by Shodan

And you are trying to be a moron, and doing a better one.

but considering the staggering levels of self-induced ignorance around here,
Regards,
Shodan

I think you better watch what you say and/or call people around here. There is no name calling allowed. You are being rude. If you can't say something in a tone that doesn't degrade someone or call them names then I suggest you go somewhere else !!!

[Mamm2]

It seems to me that Shodan's goal is to start insulting people, and get these really great threads closed down.

He never backs up his statements, and then when backed into a corner, he insults people. He knows this against the UA, and will get the thread closed down, and he starts all over again on another thread...

I know pro-vaxers, and even though I don't agree, I respect their informed decision. They however, don't insult people.

[lyttlewon]

Originally Posted by Shodan

I was not vaccinated. I got measles. I got an ear infection from the measles. It caused hearing loss in one ear.

But that is not what you said and since you bait argument a lot here it is hard to tell if you made a typo or if you really meant that lack of a vaccination caused deafness. The above statement makes sense the other did not.

No, measles is viral - antibiotics don't work.

But an ear infection is typically bacterial.

[amyjeans]

To the original poster-
I am right there with you. It was hard enough to try and explain my stance on birth with my 3 older overbearing sisters, but to approach the vax thing with them? It's just not a fight I want to engage in.
And I feel the same way- so many arguments can lead you to sway one way, then the other. I always believe the saying, "Remember the source". Who is telling you to vax? Who is telling you not to vax? are there hidden agendas or motives to persuade you one way or the other? (that's just me and my conspiracy theory talking there!)
I think once you get past that and really to the meat and bones of the issue, you can feel better with your choice.
If you have done your due dilligence to gather your information and base your decisions on that- you are doing far better than most mamas out there!
Glad to have you here and joining the crusade for knowledge!
All my best!

[rainbowmoon]

what diseases are so bad? I have not heard of any epidemics..oh maybe the blown out of proportion ones with the mumps, the polio case and pertussis. Honestly I am more scared of west nile than any of those. (I have heard of more deaths regarding that) though I still would not vax even for that (west nile) if it were offered. you DON't have to vax your kids, and you don't have to make decisions based on fear.

[ICU812]

Shodan--I really appreciate your links and your info but Please no name calling, i don't want this thread to be closed, i've learned so much here, and i'm still learning, can't you disagree without getting discouraged and end up name calling? I know it gets frustrating when you try to get your point across and you don't think anyone understands but i do think everyone here understands what your trying to say, i'm sure they've come across the same argument before, they get equally as frustrated when you don't seem to understand their point then to call them names adds fuel to the fire. I've read some of the other threads you've posted on and i think your gonna just hafta agree to disagree on this subject. Unless you purposely came here to MDC to stir up some arguments??? In that case you've definately succeeded, and oddly enough aside from the name calling, i'm glad your here cuz i've learned alot from you too, cuz it has forced me to look deeper into both sides of the vax debate. I'm still not convinced that vaxing is beneficial for my child in any way but Thanks for being here

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by Sirte

Complications of measles can include: ear infections...

Ear infections = deafness. Okay. Got it.

If that were the case, virtually every American child should be walking around partially deaf considering the staggering number of ear infections babies/children in this country suffer from...and I wonder why...

My copy of "Vaccinations, A Thoughtful Parent's Guide" list ear infections and hearing loss as two seperate complications associated with Measles. If ear infections=hearing loss I would be stone deaf: ; had them all the time as a child: .

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by Shodan

And you are trying to be a moron, and doing a better one.

Look - how hard is this to understand?

I was not vaccinated. I got measles. I got an ear infection from the measles. It caused hearing loss in one ear.

Is the concept of cause and effect really beyond you? No wonder you are so gullible - you practice it awful hard.

Alright Shodan...
Can you back this up with a link?
How often does that occur?
Here is what I would like you to show:

How often people go deaf from measles?

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by Gitti

Alright Shodan...
Can you back this up with a link?
How often does that occur?
Here is what I would like you to show:

How often people go deaf from measles?

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[LongIsland]

Originally Posted by aira

So if you don't mind, I'd love an actual answer to my actual question, please. :

Yes, I'm curious if antibiotics were given as well, particularly since it is well known that ANTIBIOTICS cause deafness . . . and way back when, antibiotics were pretty much routinely given for everything, including ear infection AND viruses.

That's like saying you became deaf from meningitis. Well, was it the meningitis or the antibiotics used to treat the meningitis?

[TigerTail]

But cause & effect is not so simplistic. There are other factors that influence the course of illness, & its repercussions.

I think we are getting to the root of the defensiveness here. Shodan, I am trying to be polite & discuss this like literate grownups. I have no preconcieved notions about skeptics (as you do the posters here); I AM one. Even about 'crunchy' stuff (believe it or not, not everyone who posts here has to sign an oath to uphold homeopathics & Reiki &tc). I judge on a case by case basis on evidence, to the best of my ability. Surely you can accept & respect that?

Do you feel personally neglected by your parents by not getting vaccinations; are you resentful that they were not widely available when/where you were a child?

I know that oral history about these incidents can alter as time goes by, however innocently. I remember falling out of my highchair while the TV was discussing Kennedy's assassination, but how much do I remember of the event itself, & how much from stories I was told by my parents since then? (And how much have I forgotten since my mother's demise, so I can't ask details? By the time I tell it to my youngest, it will have become the stuff myths are made of.)

Seriously, if you'd like to have a fact-based debate, could you cease the invective? It doesn't look good for your position. I think you can do better. I'd like to hear your pov but without the namecalling. If you truly have the superior argument, facts will out. OK?

[bamamom]

Originally Posted by i'mmykid'$mom

If ear infections=hearing loss I would be stone deaf: ; had them all the time as a child: .

Amen sister. I had non stop ear infections for years...i was ff, and laid to bed with a bottle.

[Fyrestorm]

Originally Posted by lyttlewon

Shodan you claimed you were deaf because of not being vaccinated which is just silly because lack of vaccination doesn't make someone go deaf.

Had all vaxes on schedual (including some that were not mandatory (mom was a ped nurse)) including MMR...Had measles and mumps anyway...no hearing loss.

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by TigerTail

But cause & effect is not so simplistic. There are other factors that influence the course of illness, & its repercussions.

I think we are getting to the root of the defensiveness here. Shodan, I am trying to be polite & discuss this like literate grownups. I have no preconcieved notions about skeptics (as you do the posters here); I AM one. Even about 'crunchy' stuff (believe it or not, not everyone who posts here has to sign an oath to uphold homeopathics & Reiki &tc). I judge on a case by case basis on evidence, to the best of my ability. Surely you can accept & respect that?

Do you feel personally neglected by your parents by not getting vaccinations; are you resentful that they were not widely available when/where you were a child?

I know that oral history about these incidents can alter as time goes by, however innocently. I remember falling out of my highchair while the TV was discussing Kennedy's asassination, but how much do I remember of the event itself, & how much from stories I was told by my parents since then? (And how much have I forgotten since my mother's demise, so I can't ask details? By the time I tell it to my youngest, it will have become the stuff myths are made of.)

Seriously, if you'd like to have a fact-based debate, could you cease the invective? It doesn't look good for your position. I think you can do better. I'd like to hear your pov but without the namecalling. If you truly have the superior argument, facts will out. OK?

I'm not sure how vaccination and circumcision ever got lumped in with Reki and homeopathy in the first place.:
The former are purely scientific debates, and the latter are admittedly supernatural and spiritual.

[aira]

Originally Posted by mamakay

I'm not sure how vaccination and circumcision ever got lumped in with Reki and homeopathy in the first place.:
The former are purely scientific debates, and the latter are admittedly supernatural and spiritual.

Homeopathy? Spiritual? I was under the impression that it was just a different school of thought on a western approach to medical treatment...??

I'm really not experienced here, though.

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by aira

Homeopathy? Spiritual? I was under the impression that it was just a different school of thought on a western approach to health...??

I'm really not experienced here, though.

No, not really. It relies on as of now unknown quantum forces, and it's generally thought to be one of those things you have to believe will work to work.

[aira]

Hmm. Not really in line my experience of it... But I can buy that.

Sorry for yet another OT tangent...