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post #41 of 62
The first thing I think of is Promised Land--in the general, mythical sense of land of peace. Like Avalon, Shangri-La, Garden of Eden . . .

If you had named him, "Zionist" that would be different, obviously! But Zion is not necessarily political.

Zion National Park is, IMO, one of the top ten most strikingly beautiful places in America.

I've never had regrets about naming my kids outside of the top 1000 baby names. If anything, as time goes by, I wish we'd gone further out there.
post #42 of 62
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Originally Posted by party_of_six View Post
I found this thread interesting. Zion is on my short list, but I have been conflicted because of its religious conotations. I happen to be LDS(mormon), so it has significance to me. I also happen to have several ancestors named Sion....different name yet the same ring to it. I am also considering the name Xian....pronounced Zee-an.

Anyway, the fact that you have gotten some flack over it gives me things to consider.

Sion is the French spelling of Zion. Read the Da Vinci Code yet?

Xian means Christian in an abbreviation that makes many Christians see red, as I have been informed many times. Now I have stopped using it. X is the Greek letter for the sound chi (pronounced KI as in chiropractor). Chi is the first letter of Christos in Greek. So you might get a lot of people saying some form of Christian or Ecksian (or KI-yann if they know Greek) instead of zee-ann, YK?
post #43 of 62
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I can relate! We weren't planning on having a 4th really but I felt her around me...it was so obvious when I would leave the house with my, then, 3 children and panic thinking I left someone inside...it was in those moments that I felt her around me. I felt her presence so strongly that I knew the moment she was conceived. Right before we made love, I warned my DH that she was with us in the room. (shivers!)

Indeed she was! I found out I was pregnant 10 days later and it turned out to be a girl. Her name is a weird variation of a name I've been writing over and over again for about 5 years prior to her birth. We named her Noa Kate. The name I always scribbled when thinking of future children was" Knoa". Still blows me away. I didn't look back to realize this until I finalized her name with DH for the birth certificate. I said to myself "wait a minute! ah now it all makes sense". Funny, because my 2nd dd was born in those 5 years of scribbling that name but DH hated it all the way back then. However, when Noa was actually born, he insisted over and over again it was the right name. Once I realized its connection, I felt like it was indeed the name she wanted for herself!

SHIVERS!!!! Thanks for sharing, Kindermama. BTW, have you read "Spirit Babies" yet? If not, you will thorougly enjoy it!
post #44 of 62
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Originally Posted by Mountaingirl3 View Post
The first thing I think of is Promised Land--in the general, mythical sense of land of peace. Like Avalon, Shangri-La, Garden of Eden . . .

If you had named him, "Zionist" that would be different, obviously! But Zion is not necessarily political.

Zion National Park is, IMO, one of the top ten most strikingly beautiful places in America.

I've never had regrets about naming my kids outside of the top 1000 baby names. If anything, as time goes by, I wish we'd gone further out there.
Thank you, Mountaingirl! I love the one definition of Zion as a spititual home and peace of mind within oneself.

Oddly, one of my best friends who changed her dd's name (previously mentioned), changed it to Avalon!
post #45 of 62
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Sion is the French spelling of Zion. Read the Da Vinci Code yet?

Xian means Christian in an abbreviation that makes many Christians see red, as I have been informed many times. Now I have stopped using it. X is the Greek letter for the sound chi (pronounced KI as in chiropractor). Chi is the first letter of Christos in Greek. So you might get a lot of people saying some form of Christian or Ecksian (or KI-yann if they know Greek) instead of zee-ann, YK?
Well we do abbreviate Christmas as Xmas...but personally if I saw Xion, I'd think of it with a "ks" sound like Xavier.

My father, who I rarely see, actually calls my soon Zee-on. He lives in Latin America and uses that as an excuse for not prouncing his grandson's name properly.
post #46 of 62
I love Zions' name. The first time I ever heard it I thought of a planet though...must be the sci-fi in me??

I relate to letting your unborn pick their own name...2 of mine were very much that way...Azur(my 1st) and Zefyre(my 4th).
post #47 of 62
I like the name.
I named my children after relatives because it is the Jewish tradition to do so.
But, with each child, I had picked out a boy name and a girl name, but the one I liked best was the gender that the child was.
Even my 3rd and last child, who I wanted to be a boy for practical reasons, but I still liked the girl name we had picked out better and sure enough she is a girl.
post #48 of 62
Thinking of this thread over the afternoon because it just hit me that my second son's name....is related to the first time I felt him kick. It was on Yom Kippur. And even though he is born right after Pesach, when he was born, he fell splat on the floor and I knew his name was well his name. But I didn't know why. And then I realized, I first felt him KICK on Yom Kippur...and that's when we read the book about his named prophet. Coooool.

And my older son chose the baby's middle name. Though I still have no idea why. He made up a song and was singing it to him to get him to go to sleep in the car. It was so beautiful. And so right.
post #49 of 62
We also feel our children chose their names. And yes, we also get strange looks when we tell people that.
post #50 of 62
Xavier = ks? I've heard it 'zavier', or 'havier' but never have I heard 'ksavier'.

Ah. Here:

'Another cMain Entry: Xa·vi·er
Pronunciation: 'zAv-y&r, 'zA-vE-&r, ig-'zA-
Function: biographical name
Saint Francis 1506-1552 Spanish Francisco Ja.vier /hä-'vyer/ Spanish Jesuit missionary

Complicated pronunciation. The X sounds like Afrikaans or Dutch G or Scottish CH, and the A is a Continental, not an English, sound. Say: Ga-vi-er (again, the stress is on the first syllable).

“Zay-vi-er”, while mistaken, is closer to the real thing than the egregiously erroneous “Ex-ay-vi-er” or “Eggs-ay-vi-er”.'

Just was wondering.
post #51 of 62
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Xavier = ks? I've heard it 'zavier', or 'havier' but never have I heard 'ksavier'.
Well I am really not good at writing phonetically. I think of Xavier to be like Zavier but with a harsher "ks" sound rather than a "Zzzzz". They are close. Certainly not the duller "eggs" sound. I really need to stop here, though. I am venturing into as subject I know nothing about!
post #52 of 62
By the way, with a slight mispronunciation of the name Zion, it sounds like Zayen, which is Hebrew slang for penis. Mt. Zion, indeed.

I know you're not Jewish, but many Jews believe that names are very powerful, so it's very important that your child have a good name. I think your children's names are very powerful and will be good to them and for them.
post #53 of 62
Jewish mystical tradition also teaches that when we name our children, we have "ru'akh ha'kodesh," which loosely means holy energy, and generally refers to a kind of prophecy ... that we see our children for who they are even before they're born and can give them the right name that their souls 'require.'

Hoping that made sense to you, 'cuz it sounds just about right to me.

post #54 of 62
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Jewish mystical tradition also teaches that when we name our children, we have "ru'akh ha'kodesh," which loosely means holy energy, and generally refers to a kind of prophecy ... that we see our children for who they are even before they're born and can give them the right name that their souls 'require.'

Hoping that made sense to you, 'cuz it sounds just about right to me.

WOW. That is SUPER cool. Shamefully I know beans about Jewish tradition. I have many Jewish friends but they have neglected to inform me about all that is common knowlege amongst Jewish people.

I know names are very significant. From personal experience, at age 15 I started to go by my middle name. I really became a very different person. It wasn't until 10 years later that I reclaimed my first name and moved into another reality again.

I am very glad my boys "told" me there names. Choosing a name seems so, so overwhelming!
post #55 of 62
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By the way, with a slight mispronunciation of the name Zion, it sounds like Zayen, which is Hebrew slang for penis. Mt. Zion, indeed.

I know you're not Jewish, but many Jews believe that names are very powerful, so it's very important that your child have a good name. I think your children's names are very powerful and will be good to them and for them.
Thanks, Julie. Yes, those "slight" pronounciation shifts are very interesting. Hui or "hooey" as in Hooey, Dooey and Louie is also a nasty Russian slang for the primary male genitalia. Dh was shocked to hear it was a cartoon character!
post #56 of 62
Just commenting on kids choosing their own names--so far I have 4 kids who chose their own names. All 4 of them. Zion is a great name. My friend started going by Zion as an adult (it's her maiden name) and it really suits her!

My kids' names aren't very "out there", but they chose them, for sure.
post #57 of 62
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Just commenting on kids choosing their own names--so far I have 4 kids who chose their own names. All 4 of them. Zion is a great name. My friend started going by Zion as an adult (it's her maiden name) and it really suits her!

My kids' names aren't very "out there", but they chose them, for sure.
Thanks Bekka. Would you like to comment further about "how" they chose their names? I am very interested in others experience with this phenomenon.
post #58 of 62
i love that name! i too am LDS and it reminds me of one of my favorite hymns "As Sisters in Zion" among other things.
people are oing to have issues no matter what. i am very fond of the story of Lilith as the first wife of Adam hense Lily's name. but we got and sill get so much crap for it. my mom starte calling her Lily because she refused to call her Lilith and it sort of stuck. if i could go back in time i'd stand my ground a bit more but at least i have close friends who respect our decision and call her Lilith regardless.
post #59 of 62
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Jewish mystical tradition also teaches that when we name our children, we have "ru'akh ha'kodesh," which loosely means holy energy, and generally refers to a kind of prophecy ... that we see our children for who they are even before they're born and can give them the right name that their souls 'require.'
That's so beautiful.
post #60 of 62
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I also have heard Zion mentioned in Rastafarian culture... anyone know what it means to them?
Zion to RastafarI is Africa--the homeland for all who have been stolen away through slavery. It represents a kind of heaven on earth in that way. RastafarI are concerned with physical repatriation to Zion but also spiritual and mental repatriation to Zion--a return to all things African and a shunning of all things Western.
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