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okay I'll be honest here... I am getting overwhelmed : and am afraid I am missing some importaant information. Does anyone have suggestions on how/where to start. I thought I could do it by VPD - one by one, but I get so sidetracked with other info and end right back up into "big questions" like the one I just posted about vax'd vs non vax'd and the reports ... I have done my stint in writing research papers and always have done really well... and never had this much of an issue bcause there always seemed to be a 'wall' where I could draw the line and never get beyond that..but this is SO much different as it's my DS' health here (which I know you all understand the difference in severity of research)

so I'll wuit rambling and be open to suggstions..

TIA!
post #2 of 8
Where I started...

My suggestion is that you continue on and do disease by disease, vaccine by vaccine...writing down "other" questions that come to mind (or bookmarking threads that talk about questions you have) to go through later.

Questions about each disease (I'll use polio as an example):
What is polio?
What different kinds of polio exist?
Who is at risk for getting polio?
What are the risks factors in contracting polio?
How is polio spread/how do you get it?
How soon after exposure to polio do symptoms appear?
What are the symptoms of polio?
How long does it last?
How is polio diagnosed?
What treatments are available for polio?
What prevention can you take so you will not contract polio?
What is the history of polio?
How common is polio?
What are the benefits of getting polio?
What are the risks of getting polio?
How does one get life-long immunity from polio?
What other information do I need to know about polio?

The ask questions about the vaccine (using polio as an example again):
What is the history of the polio vaccine?
What vaccines are available for polio?
Which is the “safest” vaccine available for polio?
Which is the most “effective” vaccine available for polio?
Reasons to vaccinate?
Reasons not to vaccinate?
What benefits are involved in vaccinating against polio?
What risks are involved in vaccinating against polio?
What are the ingredients in the polio vaccine?
How do the ingredients of the polio vaccine affect the human body?
What are the contraindications for the polio vaccine?
What are adverse affects that can occur when being vaccinated against polio?
What syndromes are associated with the polio vaccine?
How many doses are needed for the vaccine to be effective?
How long does the vaccine last (does it wear off)?
What other information do I need to know about the polio vaccine?

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When you're done with each disease and each vaccine--then move on to the greater questions....

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Here's the list of things to talk with your doctor (or just ask yourself) about in relationship to vaccines:

Why should I immunize? Is there any reason I shouldn't immunize?

Do you have children? Are they immunized? With every vaccination you're asking me to allow? Are you immunized yourself? With every vaccination you're recommending to me?

Are vaccines 100% safe? What studies have been done to prove their safety? Who funded these studies (if any exist)?

Are they 100% effective? What studies have been done to prove their efficacy? Who funded these studies (if any exist)?

How long can you guarantee a particular vaccine to protect my child?

Vaccines only contain mercury (residual amounts, formaldehyde, aluminum, antifreeze, MSG, phenol, etc. - aren't those poisons?

Vaccines contain 5 or more viruses in one shot, would a baby normally contract 5 diseases at one time? (At such a young age?) Is it really safe to expose my baby to so many different diseases at one time? Are the doses different for lets say a 4 yr old compared to a 2 mo old?

If a child contracts a disease normally it usually enters through a mucous membrane in their body and goes through many barriers in the body before it reaches the bloodstream. When a child is vaccinated the vaccine is injected into the muscle and goes straight to the blood. Are the antibodies then exactly the same?

How come one gives life long immunity and the other immunity wanes?

Vaccines are cultured on mediums such as monkey kidneys, chick embryos and human diploid cells. That gives me a lot of concerns:
First of all, do we know my child is not allergic to eggs?
Secondly, I have some moral concerns about the aborted fetus tissues.
Third, what genetic material is being injected into a child's body along with the vaccine? What are the possible consequences to those ingredients? What studies have been preformed to prove that it's safe?

Do you have unvaccinated children in your practice? Do you compare vaccinated to unvaccinated children in your practice?

Are there any studies that compare vaccinated children to unvaccinated children?

Have Vaccines been tested for carcinogenic material? Teratogenic (gene altering) effects? Reproductive system affects? What studies prove their safety?

What is the National Vaccine Injury Act? How many are reported each year?

What is VAERS? How many reports are there each year?

Insurance companies do not cover for damage to life and property due to:
*Acts of God
*Nuclear war and nuclear power plant accidents
*Vaccination
Why is vaccination on this list?

Do we legally have to vaccinate? For school - are there exemptions?

Can I have the vaccine package inserts? Have you read the whole insert?

Is it an emergency that I vaccinate? Or can it wait till I decide?

If my child suffers adverse reactions to any vaccine can I file suit against the manufacturers of the product?

When is the most dangerous period for my child to come in contact with these diseases?

How long until the vaccines become effective/how many vaccines does it take for my child to be “immune”?


***And ask/answer any other questions you may have...
post #3 of 8
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that is so great of you to post! it should really help! I have printed it out and will def. use it!!
thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
post #4 of 8
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that is so great of you to post! it should really help! I have printed it out and will def. use it!!
thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
No problem--I hope it really DOES help!
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post #6 of 8
I just want you to know that this "overwhelming" period will eventually end. It does take a lot of reading, but it passes, and a lot of things start coming into perspective before too terribly long.

Learn how to use pubmed, and learn basic medical terminology (or heck, just figure out how to find the meanings of medical terminology), and you're on your way.
post #7 of 8
Thread Starter 
THanks!!!!

This part I've got down from past experience (school )
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Learn how to use pubmed, and learn basic medical terminology (or heck, just figure out how to find the meanings of medical terminology), and you're on your way.
This part I am looking forward to! Lately I have backed off a bit and devoted most of the time I do my "studies" to books and If I have to Ill hope back on line.. I'll resume online study again when I have a better grasp on the diseases themselves!!!!

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I just want you to know that this "overwhelming" period will eventually end. It does take a lot of reading, but it passes, and a lot of things start coming into perspective before too terribly long..
post #8 of 8
I'd start with the flu.
As far as "figuring out the truth" and developing critical thinking skills go regarding the vax issue, influenza is probably the easiest one.

AND...you can know you're not just nuts as you piece it all together, because the BMJ presently has an article on the front page calling for an "urgent re-evaluation" of the influenza immunization campaign.

Now, a big mental hump that you'll eventually have to work through is the question of "How can all the experts be so wrong?"
That is a complex question, really, with a complex answer.
Honestly, I think the CDC is clinically insane, (and I'm not totally joking there) with a touch of "messianic complex"...and some of this, too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_psychology
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Convergence theory
Convergence theory holds that crowd behavior is not a product of the crowd itself, but is carried into the crowd by particular individuals. Thus, crowds amount to a convergence of like-minded individuals. In other words, while contagion theory states that crowds cause people to act in a certain way, convergence theory says the opposite: that people who wish to act in a certain way come together to form crowds.

An example of convergence theory is the practice sometimes observed when an immigrant population becomes common in a previously homogeneous area, and members of the existing community (apparently spontaneously) band together to threaten those trying to move into their neighborhoods. In such cases, convergence theorists contend, the crowd itself does not generate racial hatred or violence; rather, the hostility has been simmering for some time among many local people. A crowd then arises from convergence of people who oppose the presence of these neighbors. Convergence theory claims that crowd behavior as such is not irrational; rather, people in crowds express existing beliefs and values so that the mob reaction is the rational product of widespread popular feeling.
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[edit] Emergent-norm theory
Ralph Turner and Lewis Killian developed the emergent-norm theory of crowd dynamics. These researchers concede that social behavior is never entirely predictable, but neither are crowds as irrational. If similar interests may draw people together, distinctive patterns of behavior may emerge in the crowd itself. Crowds begin as collectivities, acting, and protest crowds – norms may be vague and changing as when, say, one person at a rock concert holds up a lit cigarette lighter to signal praise for the performers, and other follow suit. In short, people in crowds make their own rules as they go along.

Decision-making, then, plays a major role in crowd behavior, although casual observers of a crowd may not realize it. Crowd behavior reflects the desires of participants, but it is also guided by norms that emerge as the situation unfolds. Emergent-norm theory points out that people in a crowd take on different roles. Some step forward as leaders; others become lieutenants, rank-and-file followers, inactive bystanders or even opponents. Each Member in the crowd plays a significant role.
Just though I'd share that.
The question of "How the hell did this happen?" is the most interesting part of this whole learning experience for me.

You probably have to work your way through all the diseases, like in ms. fatty's list, form YOUR OWN opinions about what vaccines, if any, you're in favor of, to get to that juicy part, though. (FTR, I've never, ever met anyone who really looked into it and didn't at least come out a selective vaxer, and that goes for moms, doctors, and research scientists alike)

And then (this is where I'm at now) you are extremely interested in the whole story, and can look back through history..."vax bloopers of yesteryear" and see that history keeps on repeating itself.

I've found this to be the most fascinating issue I've ever stumbled upon. It just never ends. Every 6 months or so new history is made, (like with the BMJ article right now).
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