Say no to bumbos & bjorns? - Page 2

[Mrs.PhD]

I found it. http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ighlight=bumbo

if anyone else is intrested.

[North_Of_60]

Originally Posted by gemelos

In a MT the baby is seated (usually with bottom a bit lower than legs)

The same is true for bumbos, so why is a MT ok and bumbo isn't?

[paxye]

Originally Posted by camomof5

What about the Ultimate baby wrap? I just tried mine today and liked it but it does have fabric that goes under the legs.

http://www.theultimatebabywrap.com/ubw-product.htm

http://www.breastmilk.com/the_ultima...ap_carrier.htm

Wraps need to be used the right way and that means that the material doesn't bunch up in the crotch area but supports the whole bum and upper thighs.... It is hard to use a wrap the right way in the facing out position... but this is one of the reasons that the facing out position isn't optimal...
I can't find the link right now about the other worries about the sumo carry but maybe someone else here can....

[grumpyshoegirl]

Originally Posted by JeanineTheOT

Im confused. What is the difference in support between the mei tai's and the baby bjorns? Dont they both support the baby in sitting? Or am I wrong? I did receive a bjorn from my shower, but havent used it yet, but I have been thinking of getting a mei tei (sp?)

In general, IME, the baby faces you in the Mei Tai, so his hips are "raised" a little. I don't know how to explain it any better than that but in seeing babies in both and doing reading on the subject, something about having the baby facing you while being carried is a big plus in their spine/hip developement, something about the angle of the legs in that position. For some reason the Germans in particular seem obsessed with making sure babies' legs are in this correct position while being carried or worn.

Babies in Bjorns, on the other hand, always look so awkward and wrong. Their legs just hang there.

[North_Of_60]

I think scared her off..

Ooops.. I responded instead of starting a new thread.

[ccohenou]

Is there any actual research to support the concerns about baby hips and spines, or is it all hypothesis?

[tigress]

so, since it is the baby bjorn style carriers we are talking about saying no to (if i understand correctly), i am wondering this: does anyone know of a carrier that is good for both mom and baby's back? i like my sling for short periods, but find my neck and back begin to protest and use the first journey for walks (or in the case of the poopoo lake in my sling), or when i need to feel he is more secure in there. combining my sling use with bfing, wonder if i am going to come out of this being able to stand up straight, or even walk??? i also wonder about the facing in thing, because ds says a lot more than "no" if i try to put him facing in anymore ! any knowledge, info, or experience on carriers for baby & mom's spinal health?

[Autumn Breeze]

That is when I use my Mei-Tei. I can either put her on my back or my chest. I see that your ds is almost 4 months old,

nak now

check out the tp or www.babywearer.com

[paxye]

Originally Posted by tigress

so, since it is the baby bjorn style carriers we are talking about saying no to (if i understand correctly), i am wondering this: does anyone know of a carrier that is good for both mom and baby's back? i like my sling for short periods, but find my neck and back begin to protest and use the first journey for walks (or in the case of the poopoo lake in my sling), or when i need to feel he is more secure in there. combining my sling use with bfing, wonder if i am going to come out of this being able to stand up straight, or even walk??? i also wonder about the facing in thing, because ds says a lot more than "no" if i try to put him facing in anymore ! any knowledge, info, or experience on carriers for baby & mom's spinal health?

Personally, I think the best is a wrap..... it supports and hugs the baby everywhere and the weight is distribted over the whole back or front (depending of course of the hold that you use)

The two main holds I use are wrap cross carries (back and front) I can have ds on my back for hours without hurting (with the material spead across my chest) and because they are held so close and the center of gravity is pretty much the same the weight just almost dissapears...

[tigress]

oh no!! i've been wondering for months what 'nak' means--i know it's ot, but i don't know what 'nak now' means...please explain

[paxye]

nak (nursing at keyboard)

[DQMama]

I love my Babyhawk Mei Tai. They can face in, sit on your hip, or ride on your back. Dd is 16 lbs and I walk 3-4 miles with her in it (briskly) and my back, shoulders, and neck never hurt. It is kind of a pain to put on but if you get it tight enough it really distributes the weight evenly. I know people who can BF in them but I haven't tried it.

The Bjorn hurts really bad after walking about a mile. I had one w/ ds and I never realized how uncomfortable it was until I tried the Mei Tai.

[~*~MamaJava~*~]

nak = nursing at keyboard
nak now = nursing at keyboard now would be my guess!

What's the issue with bumbos? Making baby sit before they're developmentally ready?

[~pi]

Originally Posted by tigress

i am wondering this: does anyone know of a carrier that is good for both mom and baby's back?

Have you tried an Ergo?

Originally Posted by tigress

oh no!! i've been wondering for months what 'nak' means--i know it's ot, but i don't know what 'nak now' means...please explain

nak = nursing at keyboard (which usually means no caps, more typos, etc.)

[anyuka]

Originally Posted by paxye

nak (nursing at keyboard)

Now I get it!! I've always wondered what that meant too!! Well then I nak all the time!!

[Maxine45]

since we're talking about frequently seen acronyms, can someone tell me what ETA means?

[MsGrizzle]

), i am wondering this: does anyone know of a carrier that is good for both mom and baby's back? i like my sling for short periods, but find my neck and back begin to protest and use the first journey for walks (or in the case of the poopoo lake in my sling), or when i need to feel he is more secure in ther

I have never been able to get a handle on the sling - and my babe hates them. I find them uncomfortable. Might be my body type. I always liked my Bjorn : but I know they are bad - I just like that style. So for that reason I got an Ergo. i've had it 3 weeks now. I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is so comfy and fits me perfectly. I have worn it for hours without any issue at all. I have only done the front carry - no hip or back yet. Looking forward to trying them though!

ETA = Edited to add

[Maxine45]

Thanks!

My cousin gave us her used Bjorn and I use it sometimes when I'm shopping, it's faster than the Moby Wrap but it feels about 100 times less comfortable. It's really worth the time to set up the Moby.

[zinemama]

I've heard all this before, and as a dedicated bjorn user whose kids are now 3 and 6, (with no hip/leg problems whatsoever), I really have to say: I think that you'd have to be carrying your kid around for some humongous amount of time for any sort of damage to occur. That is, if this is even true.

The bjorn was the only carrier (beside the Tough Traveler backpack) that really felt comfy for me. And easy and speedy to put on! Didn't work for my husband, so I certainly understand that it's not best for everyone. But I would never rule it out or tell someone not to try it because of - to my knowledge, anyway, and I may be wrong - unsubstantiated rumors.

Also, not that this pertains to this thread in particular...but has anyone noticed that crunchy mamas seem down on the bjorn in general? (And not for this reason). That there seems to be this attitude that "mainstream" people use that yuppie, trendy bjorn, so we can't possibly approve of it? Not when we can use a sling made from Guatemalan fabric!

I don't know. That's the vibe I get.

[Autumn Breeze]

Originally Posted by zinemama

I've heard all this before, and as a dedicated bjorn user whose kids are now 3 and 6, (with no hip/leg problems whatsoever), I really have to say: I think that you'd have to be carrying your kid around for some humongous amount of time for any sort of damage to occur. That is, if this is even true.

The bjorn was the only carrier (beside the Tough Traveler backpack) that really felt comfy for me. And easy and speedy to put on! Didn't work for my husband, so I certainly understand that it's not best for everyone. But I would never rule it out or tell someone not to try it because of - to my knowledge, anyway, and I may be wrong - unsubstantiated rumors.

Also, not that this pertains to this thread in particular...but has anyone noticed that crunchy mamas seem down on the bjorn in general? (And not for this reason). That there seems to be this attitude that "mainstream" people use that yuppie, trendy bjorn, so we can't possibly approve of it? Not when we can use a sling made from Guatemalan fabric!

I don't know. That's the vibe I get.

Just FYI, most mama's here DO wear their babies for most of the day. From about 2 weeks-8 months I was wearing my dd for at lest 5 hours a day. So yes, in that instance, I think a Bjiorn would be very harmful to my childs rapidly growing spine, hips and ligaments.

I would suggest you check out some of the information in the babywearing forum

Edited to add:

For what it's worth, I, a lower-middle class, crunchy mama, bought my husband a Baby Bjiorn during the 6th month of my pregnancy. I had already orderd and recieved my sling. Then after reading a bit of the research on it all, decided not to let him use the Bjiorn until a certian age, and by then, she hated it.

Mei Tei's are a slightly similar carrier, and it's actually easier to get the baby in and out of it.