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post #41 of 70
I don't think Bjorns are healthful for babies' hips, but I doubt that many Bjorn-users wear their babies enough to cause problems. Why? Because front carriers are really hard on your back once a baby gets to be a certain size! That's really my biggest problem with Bjorns...in addition to being somewhat uncomfortable for babies (imagine being dangled by your crotch and bounced up and down!) they aren't versatile compared to other types of carriers. I want to be able to carry my baby on my back or hip (and be able to nurse in the carrier).

I don't really have a problem with Bumbos. Obviously, they shouldn't be used as a babysitter, but my daughter really liked hers. We used it for situations when I needed both hands (say, for cooking) but she was too young to ride on my back (I should have had a wrap! Then it wouldn't have been an issue). At around two months, she INSISTED on being upright at all times, so the Bumbo was a great tool. She could be happy, near me, and safe from boiling water and sharp knives. By six months she was too strong for it and could pop herself out of the seat, so it got passed along.
post #42 of 70
But seriously, is there ANY research to support the claims that these carriers/seats cause orthopedic problems? I've searched and been unable to turn anything up, besides one non-scholarly article on the continuum concept site. I looked at the journal articles referenced there, but they seemed to suggest that spondyloisthesis is probably congenital and secondary to walking when it occurs in children.
I do think the prevalence of objections has something to do with the mainstreamness of them. I'm happy that parents are carrying their babies. I've not had a bjorn, wouldn't have fit my babies past a couple months from the looks of them. Love my Ergo, love my Ellaroo. But I am really skeptical of the claims that millions of parents are damaging their children's spines and hips, without some evidence to support this.
post #43 of 70
I haven't found any scientific studies, either. The closest to a medical opinion is a Dr. Feder article.

The Ergo site references a Dr. Hull, saying that "the best hip and hip joint position is with the knees up and away from the centerline, also called the frog leg position," but I can't find any of his journal articles/published papers online.

I probably would have gotten a Bjorn (in addition to other carriers, not instead of) if I felt like they were healthy for J's hips and my back...I think J would have liked to be outward-facing. We did outward facing in a pouch sling instead, but it didn't feel quite as secure (I couldn't bend over with her in it, for example).
post #44 of 70
The way that I understood it was, the bebe's knees are supposed to be higher than their hips ( like in a MT) rather than lower (like in a snugli)
post #45 of 70
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Originally Posted by AutumnBreeze View Post
Just FYI, most mama's here DO wear their babies for most of the day. From about 2 weeks-8 months I was wearing my dd for at lest 5 hours a day. So yes, in that instance, I think a Bjiorn would be very harmful to my childs rapidly growing spine, hips and ligaments.
Just FYI, I did wear my babies for most of the day. In a bjorn. They were both pretty small, so it wasn't hard on my back at all. And like I said, they were happy in there, and they are happily running around now.
post #46 of 70
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Originally Posted by paxye View Post

The two main holds I use are wrap cross carries (back and front) I can have ds on my back for hours without hurting (with the material spead across my chest) and because they are held so close and the center of gravity is pretty much the same the weight just almost dissapears...
Do you have a link on how to do a back cross wrap? I have a Moby and I think it's just too stretchy, because it NEVER feels secure on my back. I end up using the MT on my back but the straps aren't as comfortable as the Moby could be.

I need some good direction on how to do it!!

TIA!
post #47 of 70
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Originally Posted by North_Of_60 View Post
Do you have a link on how to do a back cross wrap? I have a Moby and I think it's just too stretchy, because it NEVER feels secure on my back. I end up using the MT on my back but the straps aren't as comfortable as the Moby could be.

I need some good direction on how to do it!!
This is the way that I do it....

http://www.mamatoto.org/videos/bwwnochestbelt.MPG
http://www.kantoliinakanava.fi/sidon...kietaisuxreppu

with a stretchy wrap like the moby (I have a cuddly and a Maman Kangourou) you have do it tighter then you would think to get it to feel really secure... (unlike a woven that doesn't have much stretch to it)
Make sure that the fabric (the middle of the wrap) is really high on the back and when you are doing to the cross make sure that the fabric is high on the babe's back also... that will make it feel a lot more secure since babe can't try to lean back as much...

It does take a while to get to get the hang of it but once you do it is really easy and it doesn't take long to get into... it is SO comfy!!
post #48 of 70
My oldest was in the BJORN all the time. He is perfectly healthy, legs & hips are great. I think it's a shame that people are trying to give the Bjorn a bad name. At least some mainstreamers are carrying their babies, can't we just be happy with that and not launch a crusade, further alienating them from AP??
post #49 of 70
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Originally Posted by lovingmommyhood View Post
My oldest was in the BJORN all the time. He is perfectly healthy, legs & hips are great. I think it's a shame that people are trying to give the Bjorn a bad name. At least some mainstreamers are carrying their babies, can't we just be happy with that and not launch a crusade, further alienating them from AP??
I'm glad your son has a strong body But knowing what you know now, will you be slinging your next babe, or using the Bjiorn again?

Not all AP parents are on a crusade against mainstream practices.

"When you know better you do better" is seen around here often. And from a parent who did not know any better with her first, I like very much to stick up for all the "better" crunchy things I do for my family.
post #50 of 70
Gotta say, I love my bjorn too. I have a sling as well. DS did not like being constricted in the sling when he was too small for the hip carry. I have the bjorn with extra lumbar support and it works well for several hours at a time. DS loves to switch between facing out and in depending on mood/tiredness and it's so easy to do a quick switch. The sling he tolerates for awhile, but he's not nearly as happy as he is in the bjorn. I have to agree that we should just be happy that people are wearing their babies instead of leaving them in car seats and strollers. Besides, computers and the internet are SO mainstream.
post #51 of 70
Here is some information, and then I suggest looking in the babywearing forum for even more information.

Continum Concept on Babywearing

this is just a review, but it speaks volumes. If it's uncomfortable for this mother, then how comfortable is the baby?

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Baby_Bjorn_Bab...Review_5528777

ICPA Article about Baby Wearing

Some other good general information

http://www.midasword.com.au/mwconten...27&pageid=2275
post #52 of 70
Mamas, since this thread mostly centers around babywearing and many people are looking for some facts, I'm going to pop this over to our babywearing forum. Hold on tight, cause here you go!
post #53 of 70
Not so much interested in 'information' as in the personal opinions of mothers or chiropractors, but actual medical research showing that these problems actually happen due to carrier/seat use?
Most if not all of those articles just quote the same (nonscholarly) essay from the continuum concept site by way of documentation.
post #54 of 70
Cassidy, if that is what you are looking for I suggest you check out the ICPA link I posted above. Also, there are a few mama's here who are either married to or are chiro's themselves. If you do a search for them I'm sure if you PM them they would be MORE than happy to address your questions with the medical research you are seaking.

I only wish I could have helped you more.
post #55 of 70
I have seen actual research regarding spine development and crotch carriers but it was long ago and I don't remember where... it was a referenced article. I know I saw it online. Sorry I can't be of more help, but I do know it's out there somewhere.
post #56 of 70
I don't see bjorn type carriers as not 'crunchy' enough. It has nothing to do with an AP style for me.

Even without the articles I've read, I still would not wear a baby in them. The crotch is not a weight bearing area of the human body, it was never intended to be. The buttocks are. If we were meant to sit on our crotch then our legs would not be at the angle they are. Knowing that and that babies bodies are growing and fragile in so many ways, and that there are so many carriers out there that are more ergonomially correct (not mention easier to nurse in), I choose not to use them.
post #57 of 70
i stopped using my bjorn because the straps caused clogged ducts for me. not fun. my son loved the ff carries, but spit up in the kangaroo carry in a sling or pouch. we did a wrap with him ff alot, but honestly in the texas heat i did the stroller alot.

however, dd does not mind facing in, so we do that with her.
post #58 of 70
As much as I ADORE wearing my baby in a beautiful, comfy and super healthy (for him) carrier, the way I see it, as long as the parent is holding the baby close to her/him, that's what matters

I'd much rather see a baby happy in a Bjorn than screaming his little lungs out in a car seat

DD and I saw two babies crying desperatly for the moms in car seats the other day while the moms just kept on shopping and tried to ignore the cries! It broke DD's heart!!

I used a Bjorn briefly with my first two children (I did not know there were other options). I had to stop using it after just 7 - 8 weeks because it was killing my back, but it did help me appreciate how wonderful it was to hold the baby close at all time and still keep my hands free

I have introduced Bjorn-parents to MTs and wraps though. I made sure to explain why they are not the best option for the little one, but the fact that MTs and wraps are soooo much prettier also helped They were really thankful!
post #59 of 70
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Originally Posted by ccohenou View Post
Not so much interested in 'information' as in the personal opinions of mothers or chiropractors, but actual medical research showing that these problems actually happen due to carrier/seat use?
Most if not all of those articles just quote the same (nonscholarly) essay from the continuum concept site by way of documentation.
what about good old common sense? why can't a mother like me, who's studied anatomy and physiology and human development, look at a certain device, observe a child's alignment and determine from knowledge and experience whether it is appropriate or not? too bad but i doubt that anybody is going to get the funding to do a long term study on the physiological/orthopedic effects of certain devices.

anyways, i'd like to put the burden of proof back on the original designers and companies that are making $$ off of these things. i'd LOVE to see a study that compares adults that were worn in bjorns vs. not...and take a look down the line in 10-20-30-40-50 years of how many end up with issues such as chronic low back pain, spondylolisthesis, scoliosis, djd, hip surgeries or arthroplasties.

in the meantime and until those studies are done (good luck with that ...if there's even a QUESTION whether something might be safe or have long term effects, my advice is to stay away or find an alternative. better to err on the side of caution is my motto.

my other motto is...THE CROTCH IS NOT A WEIGHT BEARING AREA OF THE BODY.

and ...my senior title is working!!
post #60 of 70
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Originally Posted by kidspiration View Post
what about good old common sense? why can't a mother like me, who's studied anatomy and physiology and human development, look at a certain device, observe a child's alignment and determine from knowledge and experience whether it is appropriate or not? too bad but i doubt that anybody is going to get the funding to do a long term study on the physiological/orthopedic effects of certain devices.
Interesting, so there is none?
You can make whatever decisions you feel are appropriate for your children, of course. No problem with it. I'm not a bjorn user myself, as I said. They don't look very comfy to me, either.

I do have something of a problem with authoritatively stating that something causes physical medical problems (and by extension that people are damaging their children) with no physical medical evidence to support the claim. Lots of things are 'common sense' that aren't actually true. I recall hearing that at one time it was common sense that traveling at the totally unnatural speed of 40mph would cause humans' blood to boil.
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