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post #1 of 14
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I’m struggling with this issue and am hoping to get some additional insights – I’ll open it right up by saying I realize that there are posters who believe that any one of these choices are the only reasonable one in the circumstances and won’t understand the conflict. That’s ok with me – no offense will be taken.

So, with that disclaimer, here’s the situation – I am 19 weeks pregnant with my second baby. First pregnancy ended in emergency c-section for failed induction with severe pre-eclampsia at 34 weeks 6 days. I won’t describe in any detail as I find it very upsetting, but suffice it to say I was very very sick, treated disrespectfully as a woman and a mother by hospital staff from start to finish - it was a nightmare mitigated only by the fact that we have a beautiful healthy 2.5 year old. I still feel sick when we pass the hospital where she was born.

Fast forward to today – this pregnancy was wanted, but unplanned. I had no idea how distressing this would be and frankly would not have had another baby if I realized it. I am seeing the same midwives as in my first pregnancy (they were basically cut out of my care due to hospital policy once the pre-e manifested itself). I’ve cried at every midwife appointment so far (not characteristic of me) and just cannot bring myself to discuss the birth rationally.

My choices (and I know I’m very lucky to have them) are as follows:

1. HBAC: this is the only option that doesn’t make cry at the thought, but it’s complicated. The “community standard” here is not to do HBAC – my midwives have said we can discuss, but this is going to be well outside their standard practice. With my history of pre-e and c-section (it was a low-tranverse and OB said no prob to a VBAC at the time), I know that the slightest issue will have us at the hospital.
2. VBAC: going to hospital means IV, constant monitoring in bed, to say nothing of the fact that I burst into tears at the thought of walking through those doors (I honestly cannot even imagine being able to do it). Plus, if there are complications (which given my likely mental state and the fact that they are already a bit nervous about me seems probable), it will be whatever nurse/OB is on call that very shift and there a couple of them who I simply could not speak to after what happened the last time. I may be able to go home within a few hours after the birth, but if there are any complications at all, they’ll keep me and transfer my care to the nurses on the maternity ward (again, can’t cope with the idea).
3. ERCS: seems like a non-option at first (why subject myself and my baby to major surgery for no reason?), but it’s something I’ve been thinking of more and more; I would know who the OB was and could at least have some “control” over the situation. Plus, I could have my tubes tied at the same time and be sure that this will never ever happen again. But it means being in hospital at least 3 days (unless I signed myself out AMA) and subjecting myself and my baby to surgery and the accompanying medical risks of a hospital stay.

I need to make a decision and be done with it – my anxiety levels are through the roof and it’s affecting my sleep and appetite. I’m hoping to get some insight here because the other ‘counselling’ options available just don’t work for me: they’re mainly hospital-based social workers/psychologists (uh, gee, think they might have an inherent bias) and frankly, I don’t have the time to fully explore and resolve the issues underlying this. I am just doing what I can to hold it together until the baby is born and right now, I don't think I'll even manage that.

If you managed to get this far, bless you! Thanks!

Michelle maman to Isabelle Claire 03/2/2004 and wife to Dan
post #2 of 14


Any one of the three sounds viable. I take it changing to a different hospital is not an option? Even if it meant changing m/w practices?

This might be not what you're looking for (remember, I'm preggo too!) but I think I would sit quietly and meditate and let the cosmos give you an answer. If you need more concrete info than that, write down the three options on a piece of paper, meditate, then pull one out. At least then you'd have a "plan" and could calm your mind about it.
post #3 of 14
sweetheart, can you trust yourself to UC?
post #4 of 14
Well, ultimately you are the only one who can decide. It sounds like you may have some Post Traumatic Stress Disorder issues from your c-section. Your aversion to the hospital, your crying at your appointments, etc. all seem to be signs of this. I am suffering from PTSD, so I know how hard it can be.
There are a couple of books that might be helpful in dealing with that issue: Birthing from Within by England and Horowitz and Rebounding from Childbirth by Lynn Madsen. I think that you may need to deal with some of your issues from your c-section if you are to be at peace with your decision for this upcoming birth.
I think the fact that the HBAC plan is the only one that doesn't make you cry is a sign. It doesn't sound like your midwives are homebirth midwives though. Are there any homebirth midwives in your area that do HBACs?
I don't know what else to tell you. Good luck with your decision.
post #5 of 14
This is a tough one. Can you seek a second opinion from other midwives? Homebirth and/or associated with a different hospital? I know that I can't go back to the hospital where I had my c-s. I plan to travel an hour to go to another one known to be natural birth and midwife friendly. Maybe being in a different environment with difference people would help.

It does sound like PTSD and I would definitely recommend talking to someone. Don't go through this alone.

ETA: Statistically speaking, your chances of developing pre-e again are only about 7%. For first time moms, the chance is about 10-15%.
post #6 of 14
I can understand why ercs would be an option. I am planning an hba2c but if something arises I will have a c/s. I wont even attempt a hospital vbac because of the emotional issues. And then the chances are so good they will find a reason to do a c/s anyway and then thigns are spiraling out of control again...Plus, with such strong emotional issues, would you be able to labor and deliver? If you are scared and upset your body wont be able to let go and do what it has to do. Only you can decide. What feels right? What does the community standard have to do with anything? That seems a little odd. Its never to late to have an ercs. It would be easier to plan a homebirth or a hospital vbac and you can awalsy change your mind... whereas it might be more difficult the other way around..
post #7 of 14
I agree about it being easier to change your mind at the last minute if you are at home.

A wise woman I am acquainted with online said recently, "All births start out as homebirths." One thing I took away from that is that it's ok to remain flexible. So if you decide to go with your heart and plan a homebirth, do it. Nothing is written in stone - you aren't locked into anything - you can always switch gears if your instinct says you are no longer comfortable at home.

I faced the same decision when I was pregnant with my second child. Having had one c/s already, I planned a repeat section very confidently based on how my prior experience went (negative experience laboring, easy recovery from c/s).

If I had known what a rotten bind it would put me in for any future births, I would never have done it. My second c/s was awful enough for me to never ever want to have another - but we are hoping for a third child, and I've learned much about natural birth & its benefits for mom and baby. Unfortunately, it's extremely difficult to find an OB who will work with a vba2c mom, and when they do they put all kinds of unreasonable limits and restraints on your labor that actually increase your chances of a c/s! I don't want an unnecessary surgery but now that I've had two c/s, that's the only service most OBs have to offer me.

I hope you can reach a decision that your heart is at peace with.
post #8 of 14
Hugs mama. Follow your heart. You know what you want to do. You can do it. Your body is capable of having your baby where you want to. It may be very healing for you. My 2nd birth was pretty healing for me.

I reccomend Birthing From Within to read.

My heart goes out to you. It does not have to be the same as last time.
post #9 of 14
I completely understand where you are, you sound just like I did my second pregnancy. I decided to try a VBAC. I wish I had just scheduled a c-section. I ended up with a section which was actually a really good experience and a very good birth. I was in control, I had my OB's on my side and I gave it my best shot. I regret wasting huge amounts of time and energy during my pregnancy obsessing about my birth. I wish I had just scheduled the birth and relaxed. If I ever am pregnant again (which is highly unlikely because my husband had a vasectomy) I will schedule a c-section. I cannot put myself through that emotional tennis game of back and forth questioning and insanity again. It was horrible. I have to admit that in the back of my head I knew, I just knew, I was going to have a c-section. I tried to beat fate. I did not win.

I wish you luck in your decision making. It is very difficult. Trust your gut and believe in your decision.
post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thank you

Thank you all for your very kind and thoughtful replies.

I've considered UC, but my risk of pre-e recurrence is a little higher than 'average' due to the sudden onset and severity last time (it was probably progressing towards HELLP) so I wouldn't want to be totally without medical assistance. Plus, DH would just not be on board (as supportive as he is).

As for changing practices, yes, it's possible - but they're not likely to be more comfortable with a homebirth if they'd even take me. I'm in Ontario - all midwives here do homebirth and most also have hospital privileges: their scope includes HBAC, but each practice sets their own guidelines. Changing hospitals within the same practice would mean going to a small rural hospital that's 45-50 minutes away- not likely to be much better emotionally and if something does go wrong (pre-e or baby), I'd be better off medically anywhere else.

I've also considered the likelihood that there's some PTSD-type stuff going on (obviously, this isn't the reaction most people have to a subsquent pregnancy), but even if that's it, I'm not sure what to do with it. My midwife has strongly encouraged me to speak to someone, but again, she suggested a hospital social worker. This is excruciatingly painful to talk about. Around Isabelle's first birthday, I did speak to a counsellor. It wasn't helpful and I ended it after a couple sessions. I just cannot put myself through that again, especially now (I'm honestly afraid I'd end up in the hospital for a breakdown).

Geez... another novel! But thanks again for all your kind wishes and support -
post #11 of 14
Hugs to you momma! My first child was an unplanned c-sec that left me with major emotional issues. Even to this day I can't even look at the hospital socks they gave me without getting upset about that day. I know I have a healthy little girl, but sometimes that just isn't quite enough. With my second child I decided to go with an HBAC. I interviewed several midwives and went with one who was more than an hour away from my home. Although I had moments of fear (that I would be unsuccessful at my HBAC), inside I knew this was my only chance to have the birth I really wanted. I knew that if I attempted a hospital VBAC they would try to limit my movement by forcing me to have IVs and constant monitoring. I also knew they would continue to offer me pain meds which I knew I did not want. I was scared of the hospital! I also had some nervousness about VBAC in general so I timed my trip from my house to the hospital to make sure I was close enough "Just in case". My HBAC was very successful--it was a wonderfully healing experience. After DD was born I obsessed about my c-sec, having DS at home seemed to help that obsession melt away--does that make sense?

Like pp have said in your case you must do what you feel is best for you and your child. I know finding a midwife who will attend an HBAC can be difficult but in my mind it is well worth it. I also know that you are afraid of possible pre-e again. . .it is my understanding after reading Ina May's Guide to Childbirth that pre-e can possibly be prevented by following the Brewers Diet also known as the Blue Ribbon Baby Diet (you can google to find it)--maybe this can help you to avoid the pre-e?!!?

Anyway, good luck in your decision making process. I hope this birth empowers you and helps you in your healing process!!
post #12 of 14
Also, if you haven't already, you should look into www.blueribbonbaby.com
This is a diet that is supposed to help prevent pre-E.
Good luck.
post #13 of 14
My midwives recommend that Blue Ribbon Baby diet. Although it's a lot of food and a lot of protein, I try to follow a modified (by me) version of it that allows me to eat what's comfortable for me, but still nutritionally sound.

Anyway, I wanted to send you hugs and support. Although my c/s delivery of my 1st son wasn't traumatic, it still took years to 'get over.' And then I lost my 2nd pg at 21 weeks. So going into the 3rd pg I was an emotional wreck. I did deliver him via vbac, in a hospital, and had great support by a wonderful, compassionate OB. His birth did more to heal my soul than I ever could have imagined or anticipated.

Now with this 4th pg, we're planning a home waterbirth.

I can't advise you on which way to turn, but if it were me, I'd probably try to work with midwives for a homebirth. Your own mental state could mean a great deal when you go into labor.

You'll be in my thoughts...
post #14 of 14
If a HBAC is feasible in your area, then why not plan for that. If you need extra medical care, I'm sure your midwives will 'risk you out'. If you need more medical care, then you can try VBAC. One step at a time. If you end up having a c/s, then you'll at least know you needed it by that point.

What kind of 'slightest issues' are you worried the midwives will find? I think you may be worrying too far ahead of all the possibilities. I know I did that, trying to envisage and control every possible problem. But you'll drive yourself nuts. LOL I was initially worried about UR and ended up having shoulder dystocia. You just can't predict sometimes. But you don't have to, that's why you have professional care providers - they're supposed to assess and monitor you. Find someone you trust and let them advise you. Then you can make your decision at the time. You may not have any problems this time. Every labor is so different.

I planned a HBAC and ended up with a VBAC/forceps delivery. But I felt satisfied with it because I'd had the options.
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