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post #61 of 154
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Originally Posted by Joannarachel View Post
There's this really...pardon me for saying it....childish attitude at MDC that the "MAN" is out to get you. The attitude of paranoia is really weird.


In short. Grow up. Take your child inside with you. Anything else is inexcusable. I will call the police. I don't care if you are rich or poor. I don't care if you are the best mother in the world or if you have a CPS record a mile long. Leaving a child unattended in a parking lot for any length of time is naive, careless and stupid.

I almost quoted your first paragraph saying that I agree with you strongly, but then I read the rest of the post and I have to say that you really contradicting yourself here.
First you say that there is really wierd attitude and fear here that "men" is gonna get you, and next second you say TAKE YOUR CHILD WITH YOU, always, because anything could happen to it? That's totally contraditing what you just said about the paranoia. :

I can't buy all the fear. I worry about my child, but I don't think about it excesivelly. I'd have to go NUTS! I go nuts thinking about it sometimes! I will leave my child in my car for even 5 minutes, parked behind my house, if he is sleeping, to go inside and get the bed ready for him, get the groceries inside or whatever else I need to do FIRST. WHY on Earth should I worry about him?

I'd think that everyone on this forum is responsible enough not to put their child into any type of danger, at least not purpously. I am sure every woman evaluates situation and makes a decision based on circumstances given at that time. I have two kinds, I am not gonna take them out of the car so I can pay for a gas. That's just not necessary.
post #62 of 154
When i had one dc i never did it, but now i have a toddler and a baby, i will run in to pay for gas. I dont like doing it and avoid at all costs, with dh filling up for me. but when its unavoidable i have done it, its much safer for me to leave them in the car where i always have my eye on them, clerks must think im a nutter with a nervous neck twitch LOL. Than trying to cart both of them across with cars everywhere, plus in winter with such cold temps i would rather leave them bundled up in the car for the 2 mins im gone
Plus i live in a pretty safe place where a rare store robbery with a knife where no one hurt and $50 taken is headline news all week.


I also run to my PO box to get the mail when the kids in the car, but i run in and out and it takes about 30 seconds.
I dont like leaving them but when i do it for usually less than 1 minute, and i can always see them.

i would never leave them to run in to do groceries, and i wont leave them in the car sleeping in home driveway like a lot of mothers i know, i would rather have them wake up, or sit in the car with them.

Its not ideal to leave kids even for a second but sometimes its unavoidable.
I hate to say it but i probably would judge a mother for leaving her kids in the car for long periods of time, like doing grocery shops etc. I think always need to be able to see them.
Like when i speed running cart back to the corral, people for sure must think im nuts.
luckily we have dh with us most of the time, so never an issue.
post #63 of 154
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Originally Posted by Yin Yang View Post

I'd think that everyone on this forum is responsible enough not to put their child into any type of danger, at least not purpously. I am sure every woman evaluates situation and makes a decision based on circumstances given at that time. I have two kinds, I am not gonna take them out of the car so I can pay for a gas. That's just not necessary.

Yes, it is. I have 2 kids too. You don't do it because you don't want the extra work. That's lazy and silly.

The paranoia is in this strange belief that the System is desperately wanting to take your kids away.

Not true.

There are widely publicized screw ups, but, by and large, the screw-ups are in the other direction...kids don't get taken away who should be.

Not that I am saying that someone should lose her children for leaving them in the parking lot for five minutes. But she should be chewed out and have the fear of God, if not CPS, put into her, yes.
post #64 of 154
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Originally Posted by Joannarachel View Post
Yes, it is. I have 2 kids too. You don't do it because you don't want the extra work. That's lazy and silly.
See, I think the exact opposite. My 3 year old would get really annoyed if I take him out of the car seat and put him back 30 seconds later. NOt to mention that someone can run over him while walking to pay for the gas. So please, stop calling people lazy and stupid, will you?
post #65 of 154
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Originally Posted by Joannarachel View Post
The paranoia is in this strange belief that the System is desperately wanting to take your kids away.
Though I agree with a few other things that you said, I also see the paranoia as thinking that someone is going to break the window and steal your kids... or that someone is going to hijack your car from your driveway.... (or maybe it is just a cultural difference?)
post #66 of 154
I think there are plenty of times when the option of taking the children out of the car is more dangerous than leaving them is the car. Say you have a prechooler, toddler, and a newborn and you need to run a stack of videos to the drop box or a twenty into the gas station. The odds of someone breaking into a locked car, hot-wiring it, and driving off with the children inside can not be higher than the odds of a child getting hit by a car in the parking lot as you attempt to cross it while juggling everything.

There have been times when my children were younger that it took me at least ninety seconds to get everyone unstrapped and out of their carseats. What could happen in the thirty seconds that I walk in the house with a bag or groceries or return a cart to the corral, that could not happen while I am unclicking everyone?

A child can be grabbed from the mother's arms much faster than a car window could be broken and child unstrapped from their car seat.

The notion that one should never leave a child in a locked car (with the engine off), even for less than a minute, strikes me as absurd. I would not leave them with the engine running, however.
post #67 of 154
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Originally Posted by paxye View Post
Though I agree with a few other things that you said, I also see the paranoia as thinking that someone is going to break the window and steal your kids... or that someone is going to hijack your car from your driveway.... (or maybe it is just a cultural difference?)
Not neccessarily. Though it could be the difference b/tween heavily populated areas and less populated areas.

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Originally Posted by Teensy View Post
The notion that one should never leave a child in a locked car (with the engine off), even for less than a minute, strikes me as absurd. I would not leave them with the engine running, however.
I mostly agree w/ this. Now I have left my DS in the car w/ it locked (it was a very cold day and the car was warm) in a good neighborhood w/ no one around to pick up something from a house in sight of the car the whole time. I only did this b/c I was gone for about 30 sec. and DS was asleep. But I was extremely paranoid about it and watched the car the whole time. In that case, I felt that the danger was so incredibly nonexistant that it wasn't worth waking up a grumpy baby for a less-then-a-minute situation.

However, if I'm going to be away from the car for a longer time period, or there are people around, or the neighborhood is even slightly questionable, I take him w/ me.

And, yes, you can call me lazy and/or stupid if you want, but you'd be very wrong.
post #68 of 154
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Originally Posted by edamommy View Post
I would NEVER leave him the car unattended. ANYTHING could happen. I've read news stories about gas pumps blowing up w/ an unattended babe in car next to it... just don't do it!

I have heard of this.

One day I was getting gas in our hometown (2,000 people) I pumped my gas and then drove my car right up next to the door of the building. I wrote out my check in the car, took my keys and locked the doors. Both of my kids were inside. When I got in the guy was like, "UGH I thought you drove off, don't leave the pump!" And I said "Excuse me?" Man: "You're not allowed to leave the pump" Me: "Well I'm not leaving my kids in the car near the gas pump, settle down"

I'm not a fan of leaving them in the car, it gives me a bad feeling but I do feel a bit safer in my small home town. I would never do it where we live now. We also live in an apt. so I wouldn't leave them in the car while I run in to get stuff, in a house/driveway/garage situation than yes.

Also, as far as carts go. I try to park right next to the car corral. At our grocery store there is only like two and it makes me so angry that I just leave my cart right there. I know it's rude but I don't want to leave the kids in the car and walk halfway across the parking lot.
post #69 of 154
http://kidsincars.org/

look at side of page abductions/kidnappings, it does only take a second.

my dh has done it and i have freaked out over it.
post #70 of 154
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Originally Posted by Joannarachel View Post
Yes, it is. I have 2 kids too. You don't do it because you don't want the extra work. That's lazy and silly.
I agree with you 100%. The ONLY reason I leave them in the car is because I get that... "ARGGGG I don't want to unbuckle them both, haul them inside, struggle to hold one in my arms, one's hand and write out a check, finally waddle out to the car, and buckle them back in." : I know for me anyway it is pure laziness. If anything ever happened I would never forgive myself and I do realize it is risky.
post #71 of 154
I used to do this kind of thing, too, until my son was about 2 years old and I had a very vivid dream that I left him in the car to pay for gas, and when I came back out, the car was gone.

Cut it out. Bring him with you. Too many crazy things can happen in the blink of an eye.
post #72 of 154
March 8, 2005

Toddler rescued from fire

Authorities say a good Samaritan saved a toddler from possibly dying in a car fire while the child's mother was shopping at Kmart.

Keianna Nicole Waters, 25, of Stafford County has been charged with two counts of felony child endangerment, Spotsylvania County Sheriff Howard Smith said. She is free on $2,000 bond.

The incident began around 4:58 p.m. Saturday, Smith said, when the children's mother went to Kmart on State Route 3 to shop. Smith said the woman told deputies she didn't want to awaken her sleeping 3-year-old boy, so she left her 6-year-old son in the car to watch him.

While she was inside, the older boy began playing with the cigarette lighter, according to findings by sheriff's deputies and the Spotsylvania Fire Marshal's Office.

A nearby shopper noticed the fire that ensued, and saw the 3-year-old in the back seat of the car, Smith said. There was no car seat in the vehicle, the sheriff said.

The female shopper's 14-year-old granddaughter rushed to the flaming car and pulled the toddler out, Smith said. The 6-year-old had already escaped from the car, he said.

The fire melted away the passenger's side dashboard and damaged the floor.

"It was a pretty hot fire," Smith said. "Obviously, this lady and her 14-year-old granddaughter are heroes. All the credit in the world goes to [them] for saving this child's life."

The two children have been turned over to their grandparents, Smith said.
post #73 of 154
OMG, I am sitting here over that website: http://www.kidsincars.org

Those accidents *all* could have been prevented. How horrible.
post #74 of 154
We used to live in the scariest damn place on earth IMHO so I would never even leave my daughter to run in the house. Now we live in a very safe area. I never leave my daughter in the car except in the driveway with the door open and I litterally run like the wind to get what I need. I have gotten in the habit of spending a few minutes piling what I want to take by the door before I even try to get her ready. I tend to forget less things that way. I have heard of moms letting their kid sleep in the driveway while they visit with a friend... In one instance the car was stolen. I pay at the pump with debit and use drive up everything that I can. I admit it pisses me off that they don't have more services for moms here because hauling your kids in and out of places is such a big mess.
post #75 of 154
Here, at least in our city, in Florida, the law is that you can leave your children alone in the car for one minute, no longer, while you grab something. Any longer than a minute and you get a fine, at the very least.
post #76 of 154
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Originally Posted by RiverSky View Post
Here, at least in our city, in Florida, the law is that you can leave your children alone in the car for one minute, no longer, while you grab something. Any longer than a minute and you get a fine, at the very least.


That law infuriates me. It implies that nothing can happen to a child if left for just one minute, which is totally untrue.
post #77 of 154
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Originally Posted by becoming View Post
OMG, I am sitting here over that website: http://www.kidsincars.org

Those accidents *all* could have been prevented. How horrible.
I am bawling! oh my goodness. The story about little Harrison is horrible, especially since my son's name is Harrison, it just hits home.
post #78 of 154
http://www.kidsandcars.org/

this is another one click on the little boy on the left, nothing to do with a child being left in a car but such a sad accident. sweet baby boy
post #79 of 154
NEVER

If I forgot something in the house and don't want to drag DS back inside I can live without it. I leave my Shopping cart in my parking spot. My baby is more important than what ever quick errand might get skipped b/c I don't want to take him out of the seat.

http://www.kidsincars.org/ click on the miscellaneous link and read the last story if you think it's ok b/c you live in a very safe area that one could happen in your driveway or garage easily.
post #80 of 154
What I think is funny is that, here on MDC, people will go ballistic on you for carrying your infant to and from the house in a "bucket" when it's 30 below so you can buckle them up out of the elements, but leaving them in a car, out in PUBLIC, to pay for gas is Ok?

How many times I've heard the "I'd rather carry them to a car snuggled in a sling, THEN buckle them up instead of carrying them in a, *gasp*, bucket seat", yet it seems an overwhelming majority will actually leave their children buckled up in a car to return videos, return shopping carts, or pay for gas, in a public place where there are strangers and all sort of hazards, like carjackings and exploding gas pumps. But carrying a sleeping infant on the safety of your own property, in a "bucket seat", where the only hazard it would seem is that you are not holding your baby, so you can easily buckle them up inside the warmth and safety of your OWN HOME, when it's blowing snow, is akin to child abuse and neglect.

Am I missing something? :
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