Phone Seminar tonight w/ Sally Fallon

[mama~bear]

tonight from 9:00-10:00 EST from Marilyn Moll @ The Urban Homemaker ...
check out their site for more info: seminar w/ Sally Fallon

[*Di]

Wow - how cool !!! Thanks so much for letting us know

Also, I found that if you can't make that time, after a few days, it will be available for purchase (MP3 is just $5 - you know MP3's can be listened to on your computer or ipod). Go to "Summary of Completed FALL PHONE SEMINARS:" on that same page and near the bottom is will say
"MP3 Recordings of these seminars and many others are available if you Click Here"

And, if you do want to listen in at 9p make sure to call before that because by 9 all spots will already be filled.

[MrsTittlemouse]

That's great to know, Thanks!

[mama~bear]

Originally Posted by *Di

And, if you do want to listen in at 9p make sure to call before that because by 9 all spots will already be filled.

really? I didn't see anything referring to that, so I assumed that as many as wanted to could join .

[ibejimother]

That link isn't working for me:

[mama~bear]

try www.urbanhomemaker.com, then look for Free Teleseminars on the left under News...scroll down a bit

nak

[NoTiGG]

One time i woke up on a sunday and sallyfallon and mary were on my local rock station that i listen to. it was so weird... i tried to call in as well :P

[*Di]

That link isn't working for me

yea... in the URl at the top of page, you just have to remove one of the"http://" - there are two but should only have one, like this http://etc etc etc

And Mamabear, yes, I talked to them because a link wasn't working on their page, and they told be about calling a little ahead of time because I guess for all phone seminars there are only so many spots.

[kallyn]

I listened in on the phone seminar tonight. It was my first time really feeling like Sally Fallon was a real person, lol. Anyway, I took some notes if anyone is interested, but almost everything discussed was pretty much well-covered in NT/EFLF/the westonaprice.org website. Will type up notes now.

[kallyn]

Here are my notes on the seminar. If this is not allowed because the seminar will be for sale on the website, please let me know and I will take it down.
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The diet should concentrate on nutrient-dense foods. Fruits/veggies are not generally nutrient-dense. Dairy, animal fat, meat especially liver are nutrient dense with liver being the best overall. Veggies are more secondary, but can be a good vehicle for good fats (covered in butter, cream, etc).

Transfats are especially terrible for growing children, and can cause lots of problems including tendency towards violent behavior. Rats fed transfats in lab conditions became aggressive and started biting each other (this according to unpublished reasearch by Enig).

Liquid vegetable oils are terrible; they can cause heart disease and cancer among other things. The processing of the oils makes them go rancid and produce free radicals which do damage to your organs. For example, soy bean oil actually has a lot of omega-3's, but they are rendered toxic by the high-heat pressing.

Soy has 2 major issues: affects thyroid function and is an endocrine disruptor. It can also create B-vitamin deficiencies. The plant estrogens can cross the placenta to the fetus and affect fetal development negatively. Feeding children soy will cause early onset of puberty in girls and late onset of puberty in boys.

SF recommended the book Four-Fold Path to Healing by Tom Cowan.

Bone broths are healing and can detoxify the liver. However, it is a mild detox and can be safely consumed while BFing, etc.

Lately there has been an article circulating about phytates in grains being anti-cancer agents and therefore good and therefore you shouldn't soak your grains. SF says that a) phytates chelate minerals from your body, both good and bad. She said that in traditional Jewish culture, the cycle of eating leavened (soaked) and unleavened (unsoaked) bread was actually a way to detox. She also said that b) you should still soak your grains most of the time because of enzyme inhibitors which render things indigestible and because of tannins which are irritating to the GI tract and are poisonous in high doses (in acorns, for example).

Whey is not necessary for fermenting vegetables, but it leaves less room for error ("makes it fool proof").

Fermenting vegetables increases their nutrient density. For example, when you make sauerkraut, vitamin C and the B vitamins increase dramatically.

Avoid MSG if you want to lose weight. In lab conditions, feeding animals MSG is the standard procedure for fattening them up, and according to SF it is in fact almost impossible to make a lab rat fat without feeding it MSG. Almost all processed food contains MSG, including anything labeled as "spices", "natural flavors", "hydrolized" anything, and "citric acid."

The fatty acids in coconut oil are not stored in the tissues of the body; they are used for fuel immediately and thus are good for weight loss. Coconut oil also raises body temperature and is therefore good for people with low thyroid function.

Gelatin aids in digestion. In her baby formula recipe the gelatin is optional, but should be added if the baby has problems digesting.

Boxed cereals are extruded at extremely high temperatures and pressures. These conditions cause the proteins in the grains to actually become neurotoxic. Animals fed boxed cereal in lab conditions actually died sooner than those who were fed only water, and also exhibited aggressive behavior. SF says it might be a cause of the rise of aggressive children in classrooms.

Transfats interfere with the body's ability to manufacture hormones.

Some new info since NT was written: some beans need an acid soak and some need a basic soak. The new info will be available in the next newsletter.

According to Dr. Price's research, acid/alkaline balance in the diet is not necessary. The cultures he studied all had a net acid load, yet the people were in good health, so he didn't give much credit to the idea that people need a net alkaline load.

Use olive oil in moderation. It can cause weight gain, and lacks the nutrient density of animal fats. It's fine for salad dressing. A good oil blend to make is 1/3 melted coconut oil, 1/3 olive oil, 1/3 cold pressed sesame oil. You can use it to cook or to drizzle, and it can be kept out of the refridgerator.

ETA: If you do not have access to raw milk or pastured meats: for a milk substitute use pasteurized cream thinned out with water. Pasteurization affects proteins more than fats, so the cream will be less affected. For the meat, if you have to buy from the supermarket, get beef and lamb (meat as well as stock bones). Chicken and pork from the supermarket are not good and should not be purchased.

[memory maker]

I listened too. Very interesting but I still thought she downplayed bfing and was quick to talk about supplementing with her formula if baby is going through a growth spurt. Otherwise I really enjoyed listening

[kallyn]

Originally Posted by memory maker

I listened too. Very interesting but I still thought she downplayed bfing and was quick to talk about supplementing with her formula if baby is going through a growth spurt. Otherwise I really enjoyed listening

Yah, I didn't take very many notes on the feeding children section because a) I haven't got any kiddos yet and b) I've heard her take on child nutrition is kind of wonky anyway.

[Nikki98]

kallyn, thanks for the overview of SF's interview, very helpful .

[mama~bear]

Originally Posted by kallyn

I listened in on the phone seminar tonight. It was my first time really feeling like Sally Fallon was a real person, lol.

I thought the same thing! I'm very impressed with your note taking ... very comprehensive ... I think I'll throw my notes away after reading yours!

[*Di]

Wow - thanks for posting those great notes Elizabeth... since I didn't make the seminar, now I don't think I'll purchase the recording - save some money

[bigknitwit]

thank you for posting this

[pampered_mom]

Originally Posted by memory maker

Very interesting but I still thought she downplayed bfing and was quick to talk about supplementing with her formula if baby is going through a growth spurt.

You know, to this day this is still my biggest issue with her and NT. I have been on another TF foods list and it always seems that the moms there are so very quick to switch to the formula when the slightest blip appears in the bf screen. It's almost like SF's cavallier attitude about the formula/bf issue almost sets some up for failure. I guess I'm a little bit too sensitive about this given my bf history...

Thanks kallyn, for the insights on the seminar!

[memory maker]

Originally Posted by pamered_mom

You know, to this day this is still my biggest issue with her and NT. I have been on another TF foods list and it always seems that the moms there are so very quick to switch to the formula when the slightest blip appears in the bf screen. It's almost like SF's cavallier attitude about the formula/bf issue almost sets some up for failure. I guess I'm a little bit too sensitive about this given my bf history...

I believe the lady asking the questions (I couldnt hear her very well) asked about taking something to get your milk supply up and it was just kind of "well you could try that." Especially for the baby going through a growth spurt...just nurse more, not less by giving formula
(and I realize that some people do have supply issues and I know some have to supplement)
Although she did recommend using a supplemental nursing system so the baby could still suck at the breast...so that was a good point

I was shocked by hearing all about the MSG that is hidden in foods. I think this is why my dh is starting to gain weight because he eats frozen tv dinners for lunch every day

[aprilibarra]

[QUOTE=pamered_mom;6437305]You know, to this day this is still my biggest issue with her and NT. I have been on another TF foods list and it always seems that the moms there are so very quick to switch to the formula when the slightest blip appears in the bf screen. It's almost like SF's cavallier attitude about the formula/bf issue almost sets some up for failure. I guess I'm a little bit too sensitive about this given my bf history...

Maybe, she means that we should drink the formula to better nourish our babies...otherwise, she needs to be out there encouraging breastfeeding and a woman being responsible in her health for the nutritive value of her breastmilk. Otherwise, she sounds like she's marketing her recipe for her own formula.

[kallyn]

There's been a lot of discussion about SF's views on breastfeeding...this is what I came away with from listening to the seminar:

Breastfeeding is always the best option. If for any reason supply is low/nonexistent you have some different options. One is the lactaid, which allows you to supplement with formula while breastfeeding at the same time via a tube that lays across your breast. The other is to formula feed. She recommends her formula only for those mothers who have unsuccessfully tried to breastfeed. She said that it would be possible to increase the mother's nutrition and up the production of breastmilk, but that it is a slow process that can take some time to manifest - time which the baby doesn't have.

My personal opinion is that she spends more time talking about formula than about breastfeeding because formula is something that she can be helpful with and can write recipes for, etc. There are no recipes for breastmilk. There is nothing for her to say other than "breastfeed if possible." Then it just goes on to "if not possible, here are some ideas that may help you..." I know it can be argued that maybe she should be more of a lactivist, but I think that that may be outside the scope of her work.