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post #101 of 205
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
They tired to pass it as law in Calfornia several years ago and it failed. They were only able to pass the 6 or 60lbs. Maybe the same thing happened here.
Who would lobby against stricter child restraint laws? I can't think of a company that would benefit from lax laws, so I wonder what the reasons are for voting it down if the research is readily available that they should be stricter in the laws. : I find it hard to believe that parents would be calling their reps and asking that they vote it down. It just seems that anyone paying attention to those laws enough to call about it would likely be in favor of it. I guess I am getting way too far off track now though. :
post #102 of 205
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Originally Posted by joesmom View Post
Most accidents happen close to home though. :

I have never heard a kid say the boosters are uncomfortable. The ones Joe & my nephews have are nice & comfy. (I sit in Joe's sometimes, but only when it is not in the car! )
Yes they do. 11 years ago I was in a really bad accident less than 5 minutes from home. I was in the head trauma unit for 3 days and wasn't even concious for half the time. A friend's dh was killed in a horrible pile up less than 5 minutes from their home too.

I pretty sure that I recently read that if a booster seat causes pain of uncomfort to the child that it it not the right seat for them. I can't remember where it was though.
post #103 of 205
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Originally Posted by tayndrewsmama View Post
Who would lobby against stricter child restraint laws? I can't think of a company that would benefit from lax laws, so I wonder what the reasons are for voting it down if the research is readily available that they should be stricter in the laws. : I find it hard to believe that parents would be calling their reps and asking that they vote it down. It just seems that anyone paying attention to those laws enough to call about it would likely be in favor of it. I guess I am getting way too far off track now though. :
Because it was felt they were TOO strict. The orginal law was 4 or 40 lbs. It changed in about 2002 just before DD turned 4. I remember because my niece is 5 months older than DD and we knew the law was changing but had not gone into effect yet. My brother still took his daughter out of the car seat at 4 in june and had to put her back into it in Jan. (Unless he ignored the law and never put her back, I lived 160 miles away.) I just never took DD out of the car seat as I knew she would just have to go right back in.

So stricter laws were passed. Just not AS strict as some were trying to pass.
post #104 of 205
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
Because it was felt they were TOO strict.
Well, that's obvious, but based on what is what I am wondering.
post #105 of 205
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
No he did not get a ticket, but fighting a ticket is a big pain in the butt as you have to take time off work to go to court, THEN they schedule you a court date and you have to take MORE time off work.

We are finding this out fighting a parking ticket that dh should not have gotten.

They make it as difficult as possible. They just want money.
HA! I'm getting ready to do the same thing. I got a parking ticket in SE Portland at one of the parks. I was there picking up my 11yo daughter who was there with friends. I sent my 8yo to go grab her for me because the babies were sleeping. It took them forever to get back because my ds decided it was a good opportunity to play. By the time they got to the car I had to pee so badly that I had them wait in the car with the little ones so I could run to the bathroom. When I got back I saw a parking cop (and are they actually cops??) leaving. My 11yo said "he stuck something on your window and he had a HUGE smile on his face like he thought it was funny". Sure enough, I had a $70 parking ticket for "parking in a clearly marked no parking zone". Thank God for cell phones that take pictures because I was clearly NOT parked in the no parking zone.

Sorry, totally off topic there, but I felt your pain.
post #106 of 205
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Originally Posted by Jennifer Z View Post
I am a mean mom. My kids will be in booster seats until they are 4'9", no matter what their age. If for some reason they are shorter than that when they are wanting their driver's liscence, we will have the car altered to accomodate them. They will stay in the actual car seat until they grow out of it, and that won't be until either 65 or 100lbs (we are only at 43 right now, so I don't have the info in my head). Most of the other kids at preschool are just in boosters.

Cars are simply not safe for anybody under that. The safety devices are not designed to keep them safe smaller than that. Plus, as the age limits have gone up, the booster seats have gotten much more "kid fashion sense" friendly. A lot of the boosters look downright cool.

I can deal with being the 'bad guy' a whole lot better than greiving the injury or loss of a child when there was an easy solution for it to not happen.


I totally agree. DS (6) is still in a 5-point seat (Britax Regent). He was in a booster for a while then I switched him back to the 5 pt. One of his friends recently commented that he's in a "baby seat". I told him that this is the kind of seat race car drivers and pilots sit it cause they are the safest. Next time this friend rode in our car he wanted the "race car driver seat" instead of his booster . Also, DD will be rearfacing in her seat until she's 30lb (she's in a Marathon). She is now 15 months and 22lb but I'm keeping her in the safest position for as long as possible.
post #107 of 205
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Originally Posted by tayndrewsmama View Post
Well, that's obvious, but based on what is what I am wondering.
Well, I'd start wondering where does it stop? Should it now be 10 years and 100lbs? What if the child never reaches 100lbs? What if they are over 4'9" and pass all 5 questions that are previously in the thread yet they are still not 100lbs at 10 years old? At what age is it acceptable to take them out? Could a police officer pull over a parent for having their 90lb 16 year old in the front seat of the car w/o a booster seat? Could that parent be ticketed? The law clearly states that it's 10 AND 100lbs...

I can absolutely see why it would be fought.
post #108 of 205
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Originally Posted by Amylcd View Post
Does anyone know the Ohio state law on this? I've heard it was 4 years and 40 pounds... that just seems way too small to stop using a booster. My friend always brings up the "law" when I mention that her kid is way too short and skinny to be sitting in the regular seat.

It's only 4 and 40 in Ohio...it's the laxest seat belt law in the country, I think.......

So...while your friend might be correct about the law (assuming this kid is over 4), she is really risking her child's life. My state had the same law until a year ago, and then moved it to 8/80.
post #109 of 205
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Originally Posted by wende View Post
HA! I'm getting ready to do the same thing. I got a parking ticket in SE Portland at one of the parks. I was there picking up my 11yo daughter who was there with friends. I sent my 8yo to go grab her for me because the babies were sleeping. It took them forever to get back because my ds decided it was a good opportunity to play. By the time they got to the car I had to pee so badly that I had them wait in the car with the little ones so I could run to the bathroom. When I got back I saw a parking cop (and are they actually cops??) leaving. My 11yo said "he stuck something on your window and he had a HUGE smile on his face like he thought it was funny". Sure enough, I had a $70 parking ticket for "parking in a clearly marked no parking zone". Thank God for cell phones that take pictures because I was clearly NOT parked in the no parking zone.

Sorry, totally off topic there, but I felt your pain.
Yea, they said DH was parked in a "restricted zone" that was only for PGE workers. Yet NO WHERE on the street was it marked restricted or reserved for PGE. PGE doesn't even have an office on that street!!!! This was downtown I think, because originally DH thought the ticket was because he put the stupid parking sticker on the wrong window. :

It is slightly on topic because I believe DH was pulled over for no other reason that to get money for a big fat ticket that anyone caring about my daughter. Wrongful parking citations show a history of the PD doing exactly this. (Although DH was pulled over in Gresham but I think it is a state problem not a city problem.)
post #110 of 205
Hopefully it stopps at a time when all children are safely contained in cars but that will evolve, it evolves wtih current driving conditions, it evolves as we know more--you know that old saying "when we know better, we do better"
I guess I just dont' get wanting it to "stop" I mean like I said earlier, I'm old enough to remember fighting with my parents about "Why on earth did I have to weat the stupid seat belt??", should it have stopped there?? As we evolve and equipement evolves, we adapt.
I train service dogs for a living, 15 yrs ago, when I got in a bite suit, even if it was a cruddy dog, I had bruises for weeks. Now I'm on major blood thinners in yet I can still work a bite dog, the equipement had evolved. Sure I could be a dork and say "Well come on guys, where does it stop, 30 yrs ago they on ly used leather gauntletts" or I could suit up in my suit that provides adequate protection to reduce my risk of injury.
Where does it stop?? Hopefully not before we have changed the fact that the most common cause fo death for a child is accident.
post #111 of 205
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Originally Posted by shannon0218 View Post
Where has anyone said it was a guarentee--it's all about being as safe as you can and as is reasonable. Should we also decide that bike helmets are silly because they can't make your child completely safe if he collides with a transport truck??
Sorry, I find this to be a completely nonsensical statement. Hey, I have an idea, why don't we all hire rehabilitated pedophiles as babysitters, after all, do we really think we're guarenteed of a safe sitter just because they didn't have a criminal record before taking care of our children??
I put my child in a car seat and pretty soon she'll be moved into a booster seat. That's not what I'm saying at all. I was responding to a specific comment that seemed to indicate the poster thought her child was SAFE not safer but safe as long as they were in a booster seat. That's simply not true. I wear my seat belt because it makes me safer. It doesn't make me safe though. There is no such thing as anyone who is completely safe in an automobile.
post #112 of 205
Well frankly I don't think any poster on this entire has even implied that their child is totally safe just becaust it's in a booster, like I said before, it's a case of being as safe as possible and safe as possible is a BOOSTER until the child is OVER 4'9"
Again, I don't think ANYONE, ever implied on this thread that their child would be 100% safe in a booster. Nobody (I hope) is dumn enough to think a booster guarentees safety--it does howver guarentee a SAFER child. That is what matters. Again, your post made no sense (at least not common sense) We all know we take risks everytime we walk out of our house. It's part of the life as a first responder.
post #113 of 205
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Originally Posted by shannon0218 View Post
Hopefully it stopps at a time when all children are safely contained in cars but that will evolve, it evolves wtih current driving conditions, it evolves as we know more--you know that old saying "when we know better, we do better"
I guess I just dont' get wanting it to "stop" I mean like I said earlier, I'm old enough to remember fighting with my parents about "Why on earth did I have to weat the stupid seat belt??", should it have stopped there?? As we evolve and equipement evolves, we adapt.
I train service dogs for a living, 15 yrs ago, when I got in a bite suit, even if it was a cruddy dog, I had bruises for weeks. Now I'm on major blood thinners in yet I can still work a bite dog, the equipement had evolved. Sure I could be a dork and say "Well come on guys, where does it stop, 30 yrs ago they on ly used leather gauntletts" or I could suit up in my suit that provides adequate protection to reduce my risk of injury.
Where does it stop?? Hopefully not before we have changed the fact that the most common cause fo death for a child is accident.
I had that same argument with my parents. The fact of the matter is, I don't think that we should have laws that regulate every facet of our lives. I don't think that I should get a $500 fine if I choose not to wear my seatbelt. I would never, ever get into a car w/o wearing my seatbelt, reguardless of the fine, but it shouldn't be something that I'm required to do. I'm an adult. We've moved from making it illegal for children to be in a car w/o a seatbelt to all adults being forced to wear them as well. For all we know in 10 years all adults will be forced to sit in child safety seats as well. It SHOULD stop somewhere. Children are NEVER going to be safely restrained in cars and children will continue to die in car accidents restrained or not. That doesn't mean that all people should have their own safety regulated to death...to a point where we have no freedoms and no choices about our own bodies.
post #114 of 205
Tell ya what Wendy--respond to a few calls where there is a dead child because he/she was not appropriately restrained. Do that for a while, have the nightmares, have the flashbacks. Hold back a screaming mother because the fender bender at low speeds her family was just in killed both her little baby--because after all it was stop and go traffic and he was screaming in the seat and her husband because when they got bumped from behind that baby hurled into the back of dad's head and killed him instantly when it snapped his neck. I for one will never loose the image of that car with very little damage but 2 dead people, it will be with me forever.
Frankly, I don't give a rat's hind end what adults do, but parents should NOT have the right to knowingly endanger a childs life. No way, no how. History has shown that most people are less than bright. They place their children at risk everyday--if society was smarter maybe there would be no need for laws to protect children, but that is not the world we live in.
No, there will likely NEVER be a way for anyone to 100% safe in a fast moving piece of metal, but we can make them safer, when we know better, we do better. Period.
post #115 of 205
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
No he did not get a ticket.

Then I can't frankly understand why you are so peeved? He was stopped and the cop checked on the safety of your daughter. Part of a cops job is to enforce the child restraint laws in your state and I am betting you weren't the first and will not be the last. So this is an issue why?
ETA: Nevermind...I just re-read all the posts and see your DH got a citation for something unrelated to how your DD was restrained. I understand now.

DC
post #116 of 205
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Originally Posted by wende View Post
I had that same argument with my parents. The fact of the matter is, I don't think that we should have laws that regulate every facet of our lives. I don't think that I should get a $500 fine if I choose not to wear my seatbelt. I would never, ever get into a car w/o wearing my seatbelt, reguardless of the fine, but it shouldn't be something that I'm required to do. I'm an adult. We've moved from making it illegal for children to be in a car w/o a seatbelt to all adults being forced to wear them as well. For all we know in 10 years all adults will be forced to sit in child safety seats as well. It SHOULD stop somewhere. Children are NEVER going to be safely restrained in cars and children will continue to die in car accidents restrained or not. That doesn't mean that all people should have their own safety regulated to death...to a point where we have no freedoms and no choices about our own bodies.

Quite frankly, I don't want to pay for the health costs and property damage costs associated in MVC because the person felt they had a right to chose not to be restrained. And the thought that adults would be required to sit in a CRS is ludicrous at best. You're really reaching with that one. Vehicle restraints are built for the average adult in cars, not kids. Consequently CPS laws apply and they should. Of coarse there are collisions where restrained correctly or not, someone dies. But when the statistics show unequivocably that restrained passengers are hurt less and die less than someone who is not, why would any intelligent person dispute that? Do you think that these stats are just pulled out of thin air?

DC
post #117 of 205
Pilesoflaundry just posted this clip in another other thread here and it is incredible. WARNING: VERY SAD. Death mentioned.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azgBhZfcqaQ&NR

DC
post #118 of 205
now i'm bawling
post #119 of 205
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Originally Posted by shannon0218 View Post
History has shown that most people are less than bright.
That's nice, really nice.
post #120 of 205
Let's just make it illegal to have children in cars at all. After all, we can never make them 100% safe...
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