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post #141 of 205
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Originally Posted by wende View Post
True, but I read recently that children under the age of 14 should not be allowed to sit in the front seat for that very reason. Does that make a case for a 70lb 13.5 year old to sit in a booster seat? Should I be putting my almost 12yo in a booster seat because she only weighs 70ish pounds?
Actually, my almost 12 year old is in a booster b/c he doesn't meet the height or weight requirements.
post #142 of 205
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Originally Posted by choli View Post
Actually, I agree 100%. That's why I live in the city, it minimizes the time spent in cars for the whole family. Improved public transportation and decreased reliance on private cars would do more to save lives than any carseat.
Ya know, I can see what you're saying, but it's a completely unrealistic goal. If everyone lived in the city and public transportation was perfect, how do you propose to feed your family?? Farming on cement doesn't tend to work really well. Without those of us who live in the sticks, city folk wouldn't eat.
Another thing to consider--there are aspects of country life that are significantly safer than city life--so while I may take more risks by placing my daughter in her Britax seat that is properly installed to drive around, I'm taking less risks in other areas than a person who lives in the city. There is give and take to everything.
post #143 of 205
My mistake AniT. I did not catch that the parking ticket was pre-restraint check stop. I am still perplexed why if you didn't get a citation for the restraint check stop, why does it make you so mad?
In general, PO's are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I wouldn't begin to imagine what if any his ulterior motives may have been. It sounds like he gave a crap enough about your child, to stop your DH and make sure she was safe. No ticket for it, so your DH is out a few minutes of time. If the officer incorrectly stated the law to your DH....then report him. I am certain their entire exchange was most likely recorded. A PO enforces the law. He/she needs to know it. FWIW, just because they enforce the law, doesn't automatically equate with knowing how to install car seats or child passenger safety information, outside the scope of what is law.

DC
post #144 of 205
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Originally Posted by dallaschildren View Post
My mistake AniT. I did not catch that the parking ticket was pre-restraint check stop. I am still perplexed why if you didn't get a citation for the restraint check stop, why does it make you so mad?
In general, PO's are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I wouldn't begin to imagine what if any his ulterior motives may have been. It sounds like he gave a crap enough about your child, to stop your DH and make sure she was safe. No ticket for it, so your DH is out a few minutes of time. If the officer incorrectly stated the law to your DH....then report him. I am certain their entire exchange was most likely recorded. A PO enforces the law. He/she needs to know it. FWIW, just because they enforce the law, doesn't automatically equate with knowing how to install car seats or child passenger safety information, outside the scope of what is law.

DC
Because my child is no where near borderline and he made her late for school. DH was pulled over in a known speed trap. They were LOOKING to pull people over.
post #145 of 205
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
DH WAS pulled over for no other reason than because the cop decided DD should have been in a booster seat even though she had her seatbelt on. He was being a butt and then whined that she was borderline when he realized she was 2 years and 7lbs ABOVE the age for a boster.
Have you entertained the thought that perhaps the reason for pulling your DH over had nothing to do with your daughter's restraint but for other [undisclosed] reasons?

Cops can't pull people over without probable cause so if there is any suspicion of unlawful behavior, they often make up "bogus" reasons to do so.

For example, when I was a child my mom got pulled over to verify that I had my seatbelt on (no booster seat required at that time). I did, so there was no ticket issued. However, after a few minutes of talking he finally admitted that he had seen my mom swerve and was concerned she might have been drunk. But after she explained that she was avoiding an animal in the road, he said all was well and let her go.

And last week I was driving home at 2am and a cop pulled me over because the light over my license plate was out. No biggie, didn't get a ticket or anything. But I'm almost certain he just was making sure I wasn't drinking.

Since your DH didn't get a ticket, my first inclination is that the cop was checking for something else. To see if he was drunk, or high, or whatever. But since they can't just pull someone over on suspicion like that, they just came up with something else.
post #146 of 205
My 14 year old sister wasn't 4'9" till last year

love and peace.
post #147 of 205
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Originally Posted by Synthea™ View Post
Donuts and harrassing moms, that's their job.

(hoping no one here has an Oregon cop DH If so, we'll exclude him for the sake of saving me from tomatos being thrown at me)

does an ex husband count... and you are right.... with a few exceptions, the oregon cops are not what you would hope them to be.
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***now back to reading the rest of the thread
post #148 of 205
having read the whole thread now, I can honestly say that I believe the State tooper pulled him over to have a "look see".

I have never been pulled over when I am driving either our newish(2005) truck or our new hybrid escape..... However, I was pulled over driving my inlaws "farm truck".....an early 80's old ford, my parents "farm truck" a PIECE of junk isuzu, and twice in my husband's STi.... all for basically "look see" stops....
it was to check seatbelts... on the trucks, they only have lap belts.
and with the STi... it was because it was two am, and I was getting off work.

There is a "type" of vehical they look at interms of insurance, and well, drug searches... If your car in within 10 years old, clean, and without tons of stickers... you fit the "profile" of a clean stop... anything that deviates from that is an open invitation to search.
post #149 of 205
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Originally Posted by wende View Post
Well, I'd start wondering where does it stop?
IMHO, it stops when they reach the size that the safety equiptment in the car accomodates the person safely. Physics doesn't care what age you are, or what opinion somebody has...it is just pure science. Unless the car manufacturers start making the safety equiptment on board the car to accomodate those smaller than 4'9", as the current standard states, then everybody smaller than that will need to have assistance to reach the standard of safety of those who exceed 4'9".

Then, once they meet the physical requirements, you evaluate if they can meet the maturity/developmental requirements to be able to sit appropriatly for extended periods of time in the seat so that the safety equiptment is allowed to work correctly.

Just like I can't reach the top shelf of my kitchen without assistance but my dh can easily. It doesn't matter that I am older than him, or use the kitchen more, it simply can't happen. There is no way for me to stretch up there without some sort of assistance. It's just physics.
post #150 of 205
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Originally Posted by Jennifer Z View Post
IMHO, it stops when they reach the size that the safety equiptment in the car accomodates the person safely. Physics doesn't care what age you are, or what opinion somebody has...it is just pure science. Unless the car manufacturers start making the safety equiptment on board the car to accomodate those smaller than 4'9", as the current standard states, then everybody smaller than that will need to have assistance to reach the standard of safety of those who exceed 4'9".

Then, once they meet the physical requirements, you evaluate if they can meet the maturity/developmental requirements to be able to sit appropriatly for extended periods of time in the seat so that the safety equiptment is allowed to work correctly.

Just like I can't reach the top shelf of my kitchen without assistance but my dh can easily. It doesn't matter that I am older than him, or use the kitchen more, it simply can't happen. There is no way for me to stretch up there without some sort of assistance. It's just physics.
Except that the law doesn't include height. It only includes age and weight. The height is a "recommendation". Different children are more physically able to sit correctly at different ages. Weight shouldn't be a factor if this is based on car manufacturing because that would mean that a 70lb 16 year old should be sitting in a booster. If it is about safety regulations and being 4'9" or taller than THAT should be the law regardless of age or weight.
post #151 of 205
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Originally Posted by wende View Post
If it is about safety regulations and being 4'9" or taller than THAT should be the law regardless of age or weight.
You are right. It should be included in the law. If there is a weight (and there probably is, but I haven't a clue what it is) threshhold where the safety equiptment is designed to work better, then that should also be a part of the law.

I think the age requirement for the really super-restraining things has to do with the physical development of humans, as mentioned by a more knowledgeable PP, but I think the restrictions should be extended to acknowledge that there is a threshhold where it is significantly safer to be in a vehicle, and if you don't meet that, you should make accomodations to get there.

For the record, I have several relatives who did have to have their cars modified to accomodate them because they did not (and do not) meet the 4'9" restriction.
post #152 of 205
Looking at the list of seat belt laws by state, does anyone know anything about Tennessee? It says that children 8 and under need to be in child safety devices and ages 9-16 either in a booster or a seat belt. Does that mean that all eight year olds need to be in a five point harness? (That's awesome, but I know many many 8 year olds don't fit in most five point harnesses; other than perhaps the Regent. Personally, I'd buy the Regent, but I'm just trying to understand what it's saying.) Or is it saying that 8 and under need to be in some form of child safety device, including booster?
post #153 of 205
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Originally Posted by dallaschildren View Post
I am still perplexed why if you didn't get a citation for the restraint check stop, why does it make you so mad?
Well, I don't want to answer for aniT, but I would guess because being detained and questioned when you've done nothing wrong is pretty violating.

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Originally Posted by crazydiamond
Have you entertained the thought that perhaps the reason for pulling your DH over had nothing to do with your daughter's restraint but for other [undisclosed] reasons?
I wonder about that too. What race is your DH? Does he have long hair? A beard? Wear a baseball cap or bandana?
post #154 of 205
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Originally Posted by boobybunny View Post
having read the whole thread now, I can honestly say that I believe the State tooper pulled him over to have a "look see".

I have never been pulled over when I am driving either our newish(2005) truck or our new hybrid escape..... However, I was pulled over driving my inlaws "farm truck".....an early 80's old ford, my parents "farm truck" a PIECE of junk isuzu, and twice in my husband's STi.... all for basically "look see" stops....
it was to check seatbelts... on the trucks, they only have lap belts.
and with the STi... it was because it was two am, and I was getting off work.

There is a "type" of vehical they look at interms of insurance, and well, drug searches... If your car in within 10 years old, clean, and without tons of stickers... you fit the "profile" of a clean stop... anything that deviates from that is an open invitation to search.
DH was driving his 1989 Mazda pickup. It is beat all the hell and it is our "spare" car. (Besides, you always need a truck for SOMETHING.) His other car has been broke since Aug., due to an electrical problem he has not yet had the time or the knowledge to find.

So what you are saying is, he might have been pulled over simply to make sure he had insurance because he "looked poor?" I am not sure that makes it better or worse.
post #155 of 205
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Originally Posted by paquerette View Post
Well, I don't want to answer for aniT, but I would guess because being detained and questioned when you've done nothing wrong is pretty violating.


I wonder about that too. What race is your DH? Does he have long hair? A beard? Wear a baseball cap or bandana?
While Dh is 1/2 mexican he LOOKS 100% his 1/4 Scottish. He is 6'6" with light brown hair and he had a small beard but keeps it trimmed.

I "guess" if he had been being followed for a bit the cop could have run his plate before pulling him over and pulled him over because of the Mexican last name. I will have to ask DH if he came from behind or if he had passed him in the "speed trap."

Of course there is also the pp who said Oregon police like to pull over old cars just to "check" on them.
post #156 of 205
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
Because my child is no where near borderline and he made her late for school. DH was pulled over in a known speed trap. They were LOOKING to pull people over.

So, file a complaint. If you think it wasn't a valid stop and feel in someway discriminated against, file a complaint. Like I said earlier, law enforcement is damned if they do their job and damned if they don't.

DC
post #157 of 205
I agree with DC, if you really feel he stopped your dh for reasons of discrimination, then file a complaint. If however you think he pulled your dh over just to make SURE your dd was safe, why be angry. Your dh could have been late that day for MANY reasons, if there had been an accident in front of him he'd have been late, if they'd been doing a general carseat check (we have those all the time around here and BOY am I glad!) he'd have been late. I'm guessing that if he didn't write a ticket that probably didn't keep you for longer than 5, maybe 10 minutes, there are SO MANY reasons for a 5 or 10 minute delay in getting somewhere.
You can't even imagine how hard it is to tell from the outside of a car how old or how large a child in the backseat is, so frankly, 2 yrs or 7 lbs, from the outside of a vehicle that is MOVING is INDEED borderline. Maybe, just MAYBE, that officer had recently been to an accident where a child your dd's approximate size had been killed or seriously injured. He's a HUMAN, he's NOT perfect and frankly, it wouldn't surprise me in the LEAST to read a thread right HERE in the next few weeks to the effect of "Stupid cop, that kid didn't look old enough to not be in a safety seat, jerk was more interested in eating his donut than in child safety!"
Cut the guy a break, really, you're trashing the guy because he was bloody asinine enough to have the safetey of YOUR child in his best interests. Yep, he's a jerk allright.
post #158 of 205
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Originally Posted by shannon0218 View Post
Cut the guy a break, really, you're trashing the guy because he was bloody asinine enough to have the safetey of YOUR child in his best interests. Yep, he's a jerk allright.

Arrggg, for the fourth+ time, I don't believe for a SECOND he had the best interest of my dd at heart. He was looking to make a ticket quote and drum up more revenue for his city.

Cops around here are always doing stupid crap and getting away with it. Often it cost people their lives. No one in charge seems to care.
post #159 of 205
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
Arrggg, for the fourth+ time, I don't believe for a SECOND he had the best interest of my dd at heart. He was looking to make a ticket quote and drum up more revenue for his city.

Cops around here are always doing stupid crap and getting away with it. Often it cost people their lives. No one in charge seems to care.
Then why not call your local city council member, or the police chief in your city and talk to them about it. YOUR tax dollars pay for these services. And with anything in life, if you think there is something wrong with the system, don't stew by yourself, take action. I understand your frustration. I honestly do. But again, you can very easily be involved or at the very least be heard.

DC
post #160 of 205
ok, instead of only quoting part of the post, if you feel that he only stopped your dh for discrimating reasons, do something about it, file a complaint. Fact is though, you don't KNOW.
Honestly, in an old pickup that's beat all to shit, if he was only pulling your husband to meet a quota, he probably would have found a reason to write a ticket....cops looking to meet a quota don't pull someone over and not write a ticket, that sort of defeats the whole "pull em over to meet the quota" thing--especially if it's so hard to fight a ticket in your area. If he really wanted that, he'd have written the ticket and made you come to court to prove that your dd was over weight and over age laws (unless I missed where he had a scale in his cruiser)

Sorry, yes, I work with cops but I also know LOTS of lousy ones and if he pulled your dh to meet a quota, he'd have been able to think up a reason to write a ticket--even if it was a ticket he knew damn well would have been thrown out in court.
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