Healing the Gut Tribe - November! - Page 8

[LovinLiviLou]

Originally Posted by firefaery

Dd and I have chickpea allergies, so I didn't even look too far into it. She has healed to the point of being able to handle them, but I don't want to push it for him.

ff - my dd was only going every 8 days when I hit my wit's end. At that point I was completely dairy, wheat, egg, and soy free and following SCD. I finally decided to try some probiotics even though I know how the ones that aren't grown on dairy still start as as dairy. So, I started doing BabyLife every am and Natren Bifido Factor every pm, and after 2 days she started pooping at least once a day, and sometimes twice, and has ever since. It is normal except that it doesn't have the seeds/curds (still working on that). Every now and then I miss a dose for whatever reason, and she still goes UNLESS I miss 2 days in a row (only let this happen once). May be a no-go for you because of the chickpea issue, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

[chasmyn]

Originally Posted by LovinLiviLou

ff - my dd was only going every 8 days when I hit my wit's end. At that point I was completely dairy, wheat, egg, and soy free and following SCD. I finally decided to try some probiotics even though I know how the ones that aren't grown on dairy still start as as dairy. So, I started doing BabyLife every am and Natren Bifido Factor every pm, and after 2 days she started pooping at least once a day, and sometimes twice, and has ever since. It is normal except that it doesn't have the seeds/curds (still working on that). Every now and then I miss a dose for whatever reason, and she still goes UNLESS I miss 2 days in a row (only let this happen once). May be a no-go for you because of the chickpea issue, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

Would this work with a 15 month old? DS has the every 7-9 days pooping, too.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by Nolansmum

Kefir- 2 days into water kefir and my poo has firmed up very nicely, we don't talk about poo much now that Jane is away . I let the kefir sit for 1.5 days and it is still really sweet for me. I used agave nectar for the first batch, cane sugar for the second. I have some Rapadura and molassas, would those make it less sweet?

How much sweetener do you use? I use 4 Tbsp/per quart of liquid. Usually it takes 36-48 hours for it to be somewhat sour. Also, the more grains you have in it the faster they will eat up the sugar. Rapadura works fine although I didn't notice a difference in sweetness between that and agave nectar. I would molasses would give it a pretty strong flavor but I haven't tried it.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by chasmyn

Would this work with a 15 month old? DS has the every 7-9 days pooping, too.

My DD has never gone that long between poops, but she was only pooping roughly every 3 days...after I added CLO and CO to her diet she started going every day. She's also been going even more frequently (often more than once a day) since I upped her probiotic intake.

[Punchy Kaby]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

How much sweetener do you use? I use 4 Tbsp/per quart of liquid. Usually it takes 36-48 hours for it to be somewhat sour. Also, the more grains you have in it the faster they will eat up the sugar. Rapadura works fine although I didn't notice a difference in sweetness between that and agave nectar. I would molasses would give it a pretty strong flavor but I haven't tried it.

Ahh, I will try less sweetner, and leaving the grains in for longer. Making kefir takes practice just like everything else...

[newcastlemama]

Originally Posted by Nolansmum

Ii am going out of town to NYC for 3 days next week and I am torn about diet while I am away. I am going to try to go gluten free on top of SCD, but a week before a trip is not a great time to do it. I am thinking of just eating healthfully and giving myself a breather, but not confining myself to SCD. DS is not coming with me. I just couldn't work it out. I have been pumping extra for 2 months to save up for this trip, and I think I have enough milk for him. It is hard to let go of the constant worrying about diet.

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[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by LovinLiviLou

ff - my dd was only going every 8 days when I hit my wit's end. At that point I was completely dairy, wheat, egg, and soy free and following SCD. I finally decided to try some probiotics even though I know how the ones that aren't grown on dairy still start as as dairy. So, I started doing BabyLife every am and Natren Bifido Factor every pm, and after 2 days she started pooping at least once a day, and sometimes twice, and has ever since. It is normal except that it doesn't have the seeds/curds (still working on that). Every now and then I miss a dose for whatever reason, and she still goes UNLESS I miss 2 days in a row (only let this happen once). May be a no-go for you because of the chickpea issue, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

WHen this was happening, did it start at birth? When she went, what was it like? How much was there?

I know a probiotic will make a difference, but his dairy allergy is so severe, and I don't want to chance things that we have tested allergic to in this family already. I may need to just suck it up though. I don't know which would be worse, getting probiotics that he's allergic to, or not getting any at all.

[Punchy Kaby]

Originally Posted by firefaery

WHen this was happening, did it start at birth? When she went, what was it like? How much was there?

I know a probiotic will make a difference, but his dairy allergy is so severe, and I don't want to chance things that we have tested allergic to in this family already. I may need to just suck it up though. I don't know which would be worse, getting probiotics that he's allergic to, or not getting any at all.

Some crazy ideas, perhaps: What if you tried to give him plain water kefir? I understand if you don't want to pump extra milk to make BM kefir. I know its *really* early, but what about growing water kefir in prune juice and giving him a spoonful?

[moonshine]

Nolansmum, I am in NYC. If I can help you in any way while you are here, give me a shout. I am not doing SCD, but maybe I can help in some way. You are always welcome for dinner.

[moonshine]

DD2 had some severe constipation a few times. She was young -- under 18 months I would say. This really was constipation, and not just going a few days without pooping. She was in real pain. I saw a therapist for a treatment for me, who sold sold me Grainfield probiotic. I gave DD as much as I could get into her (2-3 t?, if that?) and she pooped shortly after that. Course, I don't know if the ingredients are problematic for any of you (oats, grains, etc), but just as far as a probiotic helping with this stuff...

[LovinLiviLou]

Originally Posted by firefaery

WHen this was happening, did it start at birth? When she went, what was it like? How much was there?

I know a probiotic will make a difference, but his dairy allergy is so severe, and I don't want to chance things that we have tested allergic to in this family already. I may need to just suck it up though. I don't know which would be worse, getting probiotics that he's allergic to, or not getting any at all.

After the meconium passed, she had one normal poop (with curds/seeds) and then the pattern of rarely pooping started. So, I guess the technical answer is it started about one week after birth, though for the first month to a month and a half, she would go every 4-5 days. Then at about 6 weeks (I'm going off memory here - I'm a work and don't have my poop log in front of me ) it moved to about every 6-8 days. When she did go, it was just a normal amount (actually a tad bit less than she has on a daily basis now), normal in consistency and color for ebf babies, but no curds or seeds. I was the opposite of you - I had a major oversupply issue, and I think that contributed to the first normal poop and then the progressive worsening of dd's condition (too much lactose, etc). I use my first dd as a baseline, who had absolutely no food/digestive/immune issues for the first 2 years of life and had textbook poops and was the happiest baby you've ever met. Of course, I was the healthiest I've ever been while I was pregnant with her, and I was the sickest I've ever been (constant sinus infection) while pregnant with this one. If only I'd known then what I know now . . .

The one thing I know for sure after 5 months of all this is that each little body is slightly different, so I don't mean to imply that what worked for us will work for you. Plus, I don't feel that dd and I are anywhere close to "completely healed," just that we've reached a steady state where at least she poos. But, here is one example from a few weeks ago that made me believe the probiotics were really helping. I had to travel to California for a week for work (took the kiddos with me thanks to my Mom, who was kind enough to come and watch them during the day). I was at a conference where all the food was provided and we worked through most meals, so I was really limited in my food flexibility. I questioned everything, but I know I got some butter and eggs in stuff that they told me didn't have it. Well, sure enough, dd reacted, but she still pooped. . She was very fussy and returned to her vomiting pattern from before I cut out eggs and all dairy, but she still pooped. I credit the probiotics for that.

[bluets]

what about this brand: http://www.jigsawhealth.com/products...l?Source=Gprob

it claims to be dairy-free with a human source (soyfree too)...

[Panserbjorne]

Thanks, Bluets. I am looking for a more bifidus dominant one. Great catch though!

[Pattyla]

I was begining to get worried about our lack of poop talk arround here. Glad we are back to normal.

[chasmyn]

Originally Posted by Pattyla

I was begining to get worried about our lack of poop talk arround here. Glad we are back to normal.

[caedmyn]

What are some causes of hyperactivity in children? DD is acting hyper quite a bit lately, especially at naptime and bedtime.

firefaery--do you think your kids had yeast overgrowth? Did you ever do any anti-fungals with them, or did you do enzymes in between meals?

[Chinese Pistache]

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[Annikate]

Not poop talk but a question anyway:
Do you all remember talking about the cal/mag thing and how it relates to leg cramps a while back? We talked about it on the Nutrition 101 thread too.

SUpposedly mag helps with leg cramps. I must be backward. Whenever I take mag citrate before bed, I GET leg cramps during the night and they're becoming increasingly more painful.

I know this must mean that my cal/mag balance is off right?

Anyone remember anything about this?

And how does potassium fit in to all of it?

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

What are some causes of hyperactivity in children? DD is acting hyper quite a bit lately, especially at naptime and bedtime.

firefaery--do you think your kids had yeast overgrowth? Did you ever do any anti-fungals with them, or did you do enzymes in between meals?

Ooooh yes! We had yeast, and lots of it. We did enzymes, liquid oxygen, probiotics, diet stuff....we did alot.

Ds gets HUGELY hyper to the point that I have to call in backup to keep things civil. My father is a true godsend! It's always a response to allergen exposure, environmental or dietary. Not saying there aren't other reasons it could happen (there are many cranial issues that can result in hyperactivity, bacterial overgrowth, parasites etc.) but that's our trigger.

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by firefaery

Ooooh yes! We had yeast, and lots of it. We did enzymes, liquid oxygen, probiotics, diet stuff....we did alot.

Ds gets HUGELY hyper to the point that I have to call in backup to keep things civil. My father is a true godsend! It's always a response to allergen exposure, environmental or dietary. Not saying there aren't other reasons it could happen (there are many cranial issues that can result in hyperactivity, bacterial overgrowth, parasites etc.) but that's our trigger.

How would you do enzymes in between meals with a mostly EBF baby? Just try to fit them in between feedings as much as possible? I would probably just use Candex since I'm not sure if proteases would be too much for her little gut.

What did you use for liquid oxygen? Is that anything like very diluted food grade hydrogen peroxide? I've heard that is very effective for killing off yeast. It's hard to find a natural anti-fungal that I feel comfortable using on a 10 month old, but at the same time she clearly needs something herself as what I'm doing isn't helping her at all. I did just up her probiotics to 25 billion CFU's a day so we'll see if that helps at all.

I never can figure out what causes any sort of reaction in DD...apparently I'm not observant enough or something. I guess I need to start keeping a log of foods eaten by both of us and her behaviors and symptoms.