Healing the Gut Tribe - November! - Page 17

[Pattyla]

Originally Posted by bluets

for yeast problems, there is scientific evidence that some strains of Lactobacillus plantarum are effective against Candida albicans - there's one isolate that completely obliterates Candida but other strains get Candida down to levels that are controllable by the remaining gut microbes.

when dh started his cleansing regimen a few months ago (gah - he didn't ask what everything was for...), he started on the Nutrition Now PB8 product containing L. plantarum along with 7 other microbes. when i stopped my UltraFlora Plus product, i had some intestinal issues until i spiked my kefir with a capsule of the PB8. now everything is just hunky dory. i imagine one could do the same with yogurt to see if it were helpful. and PB8 is on sale this month through Frontier Coops. PM me if anyone wants me to send a capsule or two through the mail (since we have some on hand anyway).

i also read a study that showed that various essential oils are selective against unfriendly microbes but not that harmful to desirable critters (only 20% loss of good ones but 80 to 95% loss to the bad ones). moreover, the oils survived digestion. might be worthwhile spiking beverages with a few drops of thyme oil, cinnamon oil, or oregano oil. of those 3, thyme oil and cinnamon oil require only very small concentrations - and the thyme and oregano oils have been shown to be effective on candida, not sure about cinnamon oil (which is good against pathogenic E coli). i haven't been able to sit down and figure out the possible dosages though...

Ugh I passed on free samples of the PB8 at whole foods today. DD even put it in the cart at one point and I took it back out. :

[Pattyla]

So I think dd is allergic to apples. :

I managed to convince her to swallow her pills today w/o mixing them in anything. She is finally acting normal for the first time in a month. Since the : behavior didn't start untill 4 days into having the applesauce I thought it must have another cause. My neighbor reminded me the other day that allergic reactions can be delayed up to 4 days. (I have read up to a week but either way). I figured if she had a reaction to the applesauce it would be an instant reaction to the sugar. I never considered an allergic reaction to the apples.

We muscle tested her last night on a apple cider syrup (just apple cider cooked down that a local organic orchard sells). She was weak.

Today at WF's I tested her on xylitol. She seems fine with it, but it doesn't appear that I am. At least we seem to have survived the oats for breakfast with no reprecussions.

Oh and I bought the Zyme Prime with the rice starch because I had read somewhere that many people on scd actually do better on that one. (Elaine said that it is technically legal but she didn't want people getting confused becasue rice isn't legal). Guess I have figured out why I'm getting an upset stomach after every meal when I take those. All three of us were quite sensitive to rice.

[Annikate]

Gee Patty that stinks. Are you sure it was the apples?
I only ask because I thought the muscle testing was great for dd until it failed to show her wheat allergy. That's when I abandoned it all together. I believe in the premise, I just don't believe in its accuracy.

[moonshine]

Has any one here tried anything with hydrogen peroxide? I seem to recall some discussion about it. I came across this and am considering trying it because I am in so much pain these days.

[saratc]

Patty, did you test with organic apples? I was allergic to apples for many years until I tentatively ate an organic apple one day and realized that I had probably been allergic to pesticides all along. I always reacted to thin-skinned fruits. I am prone to allergies and very sensitive to chemicals, so whenever I am suspecting a food allergy, I try to rule out the chemical/additive association first (like PCBs in fish, bleach in white flour, etc).

The muscle testing stuff is so amazing. If I had watched someone do it a year ago, I would have thought it was hooey. But I watched DH get tested and it's wild how he goes from fully locked and strong to floppy fish in a second.

[Pattyla]

Originally Posted by Annikate

Gee Patty that stinks. Are you sure it was the apples?
I only ask because I thought the muscle testing was great for dd until it failed to show her wheat allergy. That's when I abandoned it all together. I believe in the premise, I just don't believe in its accuracy.

I think it is the apples. We have had the best day today that we have had in ages. The only difference is I didn't give her any fruit. I love having a good day but I hate the cost of it.

I'm begining to get a bit worried. I'm not getting the nutrients I need from food right now with all these food restrictions and since mine are so different from dd's I'll have to cut out twice as much as she does. I can tell I'm not getting what I need because I'm just achy all over and I don't feel right.

[Pattyla]

Originally Posted by saratc

Patty, did you test with organic apples? I was allergic to apples for many years until I tentatively ate an organic apple one day and realized that I had probably been allergic to pesticides all along. I always reacted to thin-skinned fruits. I am prone to allergies and very sensitive to chemicals, so whenever I am suspecting a food allergy, I try to rule out the chemical/additive association first (like PCBs in fish, bleach in white flour, etc).

The muscle testing stuff is so amazing. If I had watched someone do it a year ago, I would have thought it was hooey. But I watched DH get tested and it's wild how he goes from fully locked and strong to floppy fish in a second.

Yup they were organic. And it was just apple cider so it should have bypassed an phenol issues as well.

[Pookietooth]

If wine gives me a migraine, would water kefir, too? Just wondering, because I'm thinking of trying to make some, but I don't want to go to all that trouble only to find it causes me nasty migraines.

Patty, are the anti-parasite herbs you're taking really safe for bfing?

[Pattyla]

Originally Posted by Pookietooth

If wine gives me a migraine, would water kefir, too? Just wondering, because I'm thinking of trying to make some, but I don't want to go to all that trouble only to find it causes me nasty migraines.

Patty, are the anti-parasite herbs you're taking really safe for bfing?

They will do no harm to my lactation (won't dry me up or cause me to chelate) and they are safe for a child my dd's age. (nearly 3). I can tell that my dd is going through her own milder die off from them herself. (she needs to)

[nicholas_mom]

Once I started the reuteri I swear, her poopies became regular and her excema has not been back.

Annikate.....What brand of Reuteri did you and your dc take?

[Chinese Pistache]

Originally Posted by Nolansmum

Caedmyn-You DD is a cutie! And her eczema is so good! DS's is rarely that good.
Here is a picture of DS on an average day:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...s/DSCF1873.jpg
sometimes it is itchy.

Ds always sleeps on his tummy now. When he was first born we put him on his back because they told us to, but after a few weeks we tried the tummy and he seemed much happier. We also let him sleep in his car seat or bouncy seat because being upright helped his reflux a lot.

Hi Jane! How's everything going with your DS? How are you doing?

Your ds is a doll!

His eczema looks just like my dd's on her knees, and I know that the lacy appearance of it is due to yeast (did you see Birthjunkie's photos of her dd in the Threelac thread? Seems similar to me). You might try gentian violet or something on his cheeks to see if it improves. Also, if he's sleeping on his tummy, the sheets on the bed could be reinfecting him. I used to have dd sleep in the same pjs a couple nights in a row, but now that I change them daily, her yeast is better, too (we're also doing Threelac).

[Chinese Pistache]

We went to the allergist and he did the skin prick test. I thought soy was the culprit (other than dairy), but it's corn. Oh my gosh, is corn pervasive! I had no idea. I thought avoiding diary was difficult, but corn is a million times worse. : Thank goodness i have a friend who went through corn (and other allergies) with her dc. I don't know what I'd do without her.

Many of the supplements I've been giving dd have corn ingredients, so I'll have to find new ones. I'm trying to stay positive, but I'm feeling really overwhelmed right now.

[mama-a-llama]

Speaking of reuteri. . . the only brand I know of is Nature's Way, and it has rice starch in it. I've been putting it in with the yogurt starter, and really think it's beneficial. But not legal. So when I get to the point of actually starting SCD, I guess I should just drop it? I seem to remember that there aren't any other brands?

[Pattyla]

Originally Posted by mama-a-llama

Speaking of reuteri. . . the only brand I know of is Nature's Way, and it has rice starch in it. I've been putting it in with the yogurt starter, and really think it's beneficial. But not legal. So when I get to the point of actually starting SCD, I guess I should just drop it? I seem to remember that there aren't any other brands?

Do any of those custom probiotics have ruteri as an option? We need to avoid rice here too (although ruteri seems to help dd, hmmm... I think it has potato starch not rice...)

[Pattyla]

So anyone else on here feel inspired to become some kind of alternative health practitioner based on your experiences with coping with this? There is a chiro school that is local (people come from all over to go to it) that I am now considering for the future... Seems like chiro's get to do a bit of everything and are well respected by most, even mainstream types. Talked to my acupuncturist last night about it and he said he thinks I would be good at it.

[bluets]

i'm a bit puzzled about SCD, yogurt and kefir... i recall that kefir is illegal but (having never read the book) i don't quite understand why.

kefir contains a sufficiently large spectrum of organisms to effectively COLONIZE the gut while yogurt contains only a few organisms that are transient in the gut. it would seem to me, if one is trying to correct digestive issues, that changing the microbial flora permanently through a recolonization would be key. letting the kefir ferment long enough to completely breakdown lactose and casein should resolve those concerns.

so that's why i'm puzzled.

kefir is just so much easier to make. you can spike it with your favorite microbes. in the "extra" time (instead of babysitting milk on the stove), you can play with your dc.

[Pattyla]

Originally Posted by bluets

i'm a bit puzzled about SCD, yogurt and kefir... i recall that kefir is illegal but (having never read the book) i don't quite understand why.

kefir contains a sufficiently large spectrum of organisms to effectively COLONIZE the gut while yogurt contains only a few organisms that are transient in the gut. it would seem to me, if one is trying to correct digestive issues, that changing the microbial flora permanently through a recolonization would be key. letting the kefir ferment long enough to completely breakdown lactose and casein should resolve those concerns.

so that's why i'm puzzled.

kefir is just so much easier to make. you can spike it with your favorite microbes. in the "extra" time (instead of babysitting milk on the stove), you can play with your dc.

It has to do with getting rid of all the lactose and her (Elaines) fear of unknown/unstudied microbes. There is some debate on what it takes to get rid of all the lactose in kefir and that hasn't been well studied. And Elaine in general was pretty conservative as to which bacteria she recomended. She seemed to distrust all but a few that she felt were well studied. And since you don't pasturize kefir she had a fear that a pathogen would get in there and be cultured and since our guts are already compromised a ploferated pathogenic bacteria is really dangerous.

[bluets]

Originally Posted by Pattyla

So anyone else on here feel inspired to become some kind of alternative health practitioner based on your experiences with coping with this? There is a chiro school that is local (people come from all over to go to it) that I am now considering for the future... Seems like chiro's get to do a bit of everything and are well respected by most, even mainstream types. Talked to my acupuncturist last night about it and he said he thinks I would be good at it.

i've toyed with the idea of going to a naturpathic school. but we'd have to move and really scale back - this just isn't the time for that.

my latest is doing an M.S. in nutrition online through bridgeport.edu - though it would cost $5000 per semester or so and i'd need to do some prerequisites beforehand (those pesky human anatomy and basic nutrition courses). and the books would be extra (And they ain't cheap). so maybe i'll save up for it - i think dh and i just make too much money for us to even qualify for loans.

so i'm settling on getting a holistic moms (http://holisticmoms.org) chapter started locally.

[krissi]

I posted earlier that the reuteri may have eliminated dd's yeasty symptoms. Now I think I know what really helped the most. The NCD drops. Our homeopath recommended them for dd2 and I gave them to dd1 jsut for the heck of it.

I hadn't thought of that. Interesting thought. In DD's case we hadn't started the NCD drops until her yeast had already gone into remission of a sorts, so probably not a factor for her though that does make me wonder. Our DAN thinks that DD isn't benefiting from NCD as much as she should because she still has moderate to severe gut inflammation...so it's maybe not getting absorbed. : She said to stop the drops for now and try again in a few months after we attack the inflammation more. She has us starting a bunch of new prescription homeopathics. I hope it works. I do think the Candex/Can Albex helped a great deal w/keeping yeast under control.

I'm very nervous that it'll come back though. I cannot cut all sugar out of DD's diet; she's SCD compliant except for some illegal supplements, but apples are too much of a mainstay still.

So anyone else on here feel inspired to become some kind of alternative health practitioner based on your experiences with coping with this?

Me too! I'm actually starting the application process to go "back to school" and become a registered dietitian. If I go through with it I plan to specialize in gut healing and digestive health.

[Pattyla]

Originally Posted by krissi

I hadn't thought of that. Interesting thought. In DD's case we hadn't started the NCD drops until her yeast had already gone into remission of a sorts, so probably not a factor for her though that does make me wonder. Our DAN thinks that DD isn't benefiting from NCD as much as she should because she still has moderate to severe gut inflammation...so it's maybe not getting absorbed. : She said to stop the drops for now and try again in a few months after we attack the inflammation more. She has us starting a bunch of new prescription homeopathics. I hope it works. I do think the Candex/Can Albex helped a great deal w/keeping yeast under control.

I'm very nervous that it'll come back though. I cannot cut all sugar out of DD's diet; she's SCD compliant except for some illegal supplements, but apples are too much of a mainstay still.

How do you know her gut is still inflamed???