So upset

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

Why is it that about half the time you get into a circ debate with someone they come off with the well my mom/dad/cousin/aunt/uncle etc etc is a nurse/dr etc. etc. : and they say circ is best. Because they have seen 60/70 (insert age here) men who "had" to be circed because they had infections/UTI's etc.

Just bummed right now. 18yo in chat who is gonna definatly have him cut because she likes how it looks better and her mom is a nurse :Puke

[TigerTail]

How anyone can look at the bleeding stump of a newborn penis and think it 'looks better' is beyond me. I'm sorry. 'Mom is a nurse', 'husband is a Dr', I sometimes think it's all bs to get us to stop arguing & agree it's 'their choice'.

[trmpetplaya]

They are invoking the "higher authority" to avoid actually making the decision themself As to the argument... let the 60/70 year old man get circumcised if it's THAT big of a problem... geez (though I seriously doubt it is a huge problem, ya know?). At least then he's deciding to (depending on his mental state of course) and he ALSO got to have all the benefits of a foreskin for most of his life

love and peace.

[carolhagan]

Yep.. I hear this all the time with almost everything that is debated.

Vaccines-Thd doctor said my kid will die if I dont get them for him

Breastfeeding-My doctor told me just to give him formula

Circ-MY cousin's sister's uncle's mother knew a baker who knew a nurse who heard from another nurse that their was once this guy that had to get it done when he was 146 because his penis almost fell off.

[mama_at_home]

What I don't understand is why people think it is such a big deal for an adult man to "have to" be circ'ed but it's not big deal for a newborn? I am so sick of those arguments "I know of someone who had to be circ'ed at age 12, 26, 70, etc." But it's just a little snip, right? What's the big deal? I'm sure they won't even feel it! :

[rozzie'sma]

70 year old women get UTI all the time, much more often than men, and we don't hack off the labia

[13Sandals]

Originally Posted by TigerTail

How anyone can look at the bleeding stump of a newborn penis and think it 'looks better' is beyond me.

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I had never seen an adult intact penis, so was completely conditioned to the circ'd adult penis as normal. It wasn't until I changed the diaper of one of my friend's little boys who had been circ'd that it hit me hard that this is NOT the way the penis is supposed to look. I was deeply saddened. Seeing a circ'd newborn leaves you with the undeniable impression that something horrible and unnatural has just occured. There is only one reaction when looking at a newly circ'd little boy - he has been wounded. :

[finn'smama]

I actually know a guy who was circ'd at age 25 or so, and he told me it wasn't that bad and at least he had the choice but the downside is that sex doesn't feel as good. Although, knowing what I know now, I imagine it was totally unnecessary to circ, but I always bring him up in debates when someone tries to use the "they'll just have to circ later in life" argument. He's certainly in better shape than the friend I talked to the other night who is really upset about being circ'd as an infant and who feels very violated...

[Mountaingirl3]

Yeah, this bothers me, too. I counter with dh who is an MD intactivist whose patients are mostly over 65. Refer them to nurses against circ or doctors opposing circ. http://www.doctorsopposingcircumcision.org

[jee'smom]

I usually just say "yeah, but they were only circ'ed because the doctors don't know any better/are uneducated about the foreskin and really BELIEVE they should be circ'ed, but I can guarantee you that they DIDN'T! and why is it that in the scandinavian countries, noone ever needs to be circ'ed no matter what?" (ok, maybe 1/10 of a percent!) "IT'S NOT MEDICALLY NECESSARY!!!"

[MommytoB]

I hear that all the time too. I know my 'grandpa' got circ'ed because he was in WW2 in his early 20's. - I felt so much horror after I had seen what had happened to him - no wonder he was having so much bathroom trouble as elderly man. Talk about -horrificly shockingly ' I find it quite irony how they had circ'ed him - and so they could have 'removed his teeth' because his teeth are yellow stained due to mix of coffee and something in the water that stained his teeth yellow.

Also, my mom had 'wisdom teeth' problems she signed up for me to 'remove my wisdom teeth' I was at the age of sixteen . ( i had no problems with my wisdom teeth at all) but an oral surgeon 'removed them' well as an adult in my mid 20's I got 'bad teeth' so I had them all removed -because they were all 'dead' so vs proably at the time I had only got two teeth remove thirteen or fifteen years ago - so now I have -dentures-( well I say I like my 'dentures' better than 'my 'real' teeth).

Well , I didn't actually get 'my first 'real cavity til I was thirteen' but my son on the other hand already got 2 (but of course he don't have the 'sealants' on his teeth like 'we did'.

I find it oddly 'strange' how it's like for oral 'surgery or 'even proper cosmetic surgery like nose jobs or even jaw surgeries you have to wait til you for surely 'stopped growing' why do ppl think it's so 'right to mess with a 'growing penis ?

[TigerTail]

Originally Posted by carolhagan

Circ-MY cousin's sister's uncle's mother knew a baker who knew a nurse who heard from another nurse that their was once this guy that had to get it done when he was 146 because his penis almost fell off.

I know, I know . (The guy I knew circ'd as a teen for 'phimosis' & UTIs, still had constant UTIs afterwards, but he could no longer have orgasms! Isn't that funny & ironic? Whew, but at least he didn't have to mess with stretching his foreskin or anything troublesome like that.)

[Microsoap]

To the "rather do it now, because so-and-so had to have it done at such-and-such an age" b.s.: Breasts can develop breast cancer not just later in life, but at any given time. There warrants a reason to mastectomy when you first grow them at puberty to "prevent" such future-"problems", right? Ah, but that would deny a lifetime of sexual joy and beauty. Well, same thing with the foreskin. Counter with that!

And if they're stupid enough to state the foreskin isn't a thing of beauty, tell them that we live in a country that's been brainwashed (yes, use that word, because it's the truth) into believing the foreskin isn't a thing of beauty, but in some countries, the clitoris is considered in the same leagues as the foreskin as something is disposable and if you don't think it is, ask yourself if you've been brainwashed to believe the same about the foreskin, which like the clitoris, is standard equipment.

[bamamom]

YEah yeah yeah.

My great uncle got circ'd in his forties...it was of course NECESSARY!! BLEH.

makes me ill.

[Paper-Bag-Princess]

Originally Posted by MommytoB

I find it oddly 'strange' how it's like for oral 'surgery or 'even proper cosmetic surgery like nose jobs or even jaw surgeries you have to wait til you for surely 'stopped growing' why do ppl think it's so 'right to mess with a 'growing penis ?

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[TigerTail]

Excellent point, & seldom made!