A baby who doesn't poop. - Page 2

[JaneS]

How frustrating! I hope you find your answers soon. LMK what Custom Probiotics says.

Originally Posted by firefaery

I just want to know where the heck the rest of the poop is.

I really don't know for sure but if I had to guess it is that the poop is so small because it's staying in the colon for so long... the water is completely removed and there really is such little waste to BM. And the bacteria, both good and bad has died off maybe? Bacteria makes up half of stool contents. But this is not say it's okay. The longer poop stays in the intestines, the more bad bacteria grows. I think you are right to continue to persue this angle, given you know you've had major and minor gut flora problems in the past. Even if the cause is structural, this doesn't mean the gut flora isn't effected. Which I'm sure you know. CP better come thru for you!

I've never heard of ultrasound being a risk factor, that's creepy. Clefts are vitamin A.

[~*~MamaJava~*~]

Both of my kids were very infrequent poopers, tho BF, and it did concern me, because they were both totally miserable with it. Having that poop was a major issue. My SIL is dealing with this now - her son poops every 10 days or so and it just doesn't seem right. I have a friend whose baby only went every 7 or 8 days but he'd take a giant poop and for him it seemed like no biggie.

I waited it out with #1 - it resolved itself around 3 months along with his colic.

With #2, I took him to the chiro at about 3 months for his reflux, and the pooping issue was over as of the first visit. He pooped bigtime and continued to poop daily or every other after that. It was wonderful to me to see those poops in there!

I don't know where the poop goes either. Neither of mine pooped large volumes at that time either.

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by JaneS

How frustrating! I hope you find your answers soon. LMK what Custom Probiotics says.



I really don't know for sure but if I had to guess it is that the poop is so small because it's staying in the colon for so long... the water is completely removed and there really is such little waste to BM. And the bacteria, both good and bad has died off maybe? Bacteria makes up half of stool contents. But this is not say it's okay. The longer poop stays in the intestines, the more bad bacteria grows. I think you are right to continue to persue this angle, given you know you've had major and minor gut flora problems in the past. Even if the cause is structural, this doesn't mean the gut flora isn't effected. Which I'm sure you know. CP better come thru for you!


I've never heard of ultrasound being a risk factor, that's creepy. Clefts are vitamin A.

Clefts are Vitamin A, but I'm wondering if the other midline stuff is too...looking into that.

You are right about the volume (sitting in the intestines and being reabsorbed) but ten days of elimination should look like more than this given that it isn't hard or stiff...alot of times it's very close to being normal. There is a structural aspect, but I'm still not okay with this at all.

I am worried about the bacteria thing...very worried. CP (Harry) is amazing. I'll write more after our conversation this evening. He was wonderful this morning.

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by ~*~MamaJava~*~

Both of my kids were very infrequent poopers, tho BF, and it did concern me, because they were both totally miserable with it. Having that poop was a major issue. My SIL is dealing with this now - her son poops every 10 days or so and it just doesn't seem right. I have a friend whose baby only went every 7 or 8 days but he'd take a giant poop and for him it seemed like no biggie.

I waited it out with #1 - it resolved itself around 3 months along with his colic.

With #2, I took him to the chiro at about 3 months for his reflux, and the pooping issue was over as of the first visit. He pooped bigtime and continued to poop daily or every other after that. It was wonderful to me to see those poops in there!

I don't know where the poop goes either. Neither of mine pooped large volumes at that time either.

That's great! This little one has gotten CST and chiro from the day he was born-usually two to three times a week. I love our chiropractor! Actually, I had two chiro's with me for the last six hours of my labor to fix his position. Sooo, technically he had chiropractic care even before he was born!

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by firefaery

Clefts are Vitamin A, but I'm wondering if the other midline stuff is too...looking into that.

This is the info that made me think of it:

Another fascinating avenue of research has shown that vitamin A holds the key to what scientists call the "holy grail" puzzle of developmental biology: the existence of a mechanism that ensures that the exterior of our bodies is symmetrical while the inner organs are arranged asymmetrically. Researchers at the Salk Institute have found that vitamin A provides the signal that buffers the influences of asymmetric cues in the early stages of development, and allows these cells to develop symmetrically. In the absence of vitamin A, the exterior of our bodies would develop asymmetrically, with the result being that our right side would be shorter than the left side.3
http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyour...n-a-fetal.html
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=9979

Originally Posted by firefaery

I am worried about the bacteria thing...very worried. CP (Harry) is amazing. I'll write more after our conversation this evening. He was wonderful this morning.

Great!! Please do and I'll put it in the HTG Cheat Sheet.

Knowing how much gut flora directs the digestive as well as the immune system, I feel every babe should be on bifidus.

[Panserbjorne]

Okay, I'm feeling confused. I spoke to Harry and he is being wonderful. He is sending us L. acidophilus and B. bifidum. He said he wasn't going to chance the B. infantis as he couldn't attest to it being totally dairy free. He also said that everything he has is grown on dairy, but their's is then concentrated and cleaned. I expressed my discomfort and he is sending a sample so I can test it and see if he reacts. I'm very nervous though. He basically said that all probiotics are grown on dairy-it's just a matter of what they are cultured on after that. I was under the impression that he could grow things on other mediums...I didn't realize we were running the dairy risk no matter what. : I'm also suprised he is giving us L. acidophilus for a four month old that is ebf. I'm holding my breath. We'll see.

[crysmomofthree]

My dd had infrequent stools since birth. her first meconium poop wasn't until day 4 (i produce a lot of milk ) and then not again till day 9 but after that her regular routing was to go every 6-10 days. sometimes it had the consistency of toothpaste, but most often it was just regular mustard bf baby poop.

I know a pp mentioned being concerned about when babe starts solids. I delayed solids until 10 months and really focused on watery fruits and vegetables as her first foods and lots of them. She only has one bowel movement a day now, and it is firmer than I would like, but it does not cause her any discomfort and she does eat a full diet as well as unrestricted bm (she's 18 months now)

[nicolena]

my twins would go so long without poos too, and then barely anything. people say it's normal, but just cause it happens a lot doesn't mean it's normal. i hadn't put that fact into consideration of our own ongoing issues. the infrequent poos turned into multiple yellow poos a day at some point in one baby--she wasn't absorbing anything, had that "normal" bloated out belly, and a little herniated belly button. colic from hell, times two. anyway, she either always had or early on developed a yeast problem. scd helped it, but i changed tactics and it just came back this week--and i'm pretty sure the cause is the tomato sauce and apple juice and raisins i've been spoiling them with since we just got off casein and gluten (which i thought i had done by just getting rid of grains--damn mustard, vanilla!)--all they were eating was high phenol foods. and i eat what they eat. they went to bed so easily tonight without those foods. (have to see if there are yeasty poos tomorrow.)

sorry to go on, but i thought phenols might be irritating.........?

sux about the dairy risk!!!!!!!!! i can't find anything to give either. i do kmobucha for myself, but not sure it's right.....

oh, i remember thinking that there was no way they nursed as much as they did and that was all that came out--they must have been searching for nutrients! i remember expecting them to go at least once a day, just like older people do. it was very odd to me, but i was assured it was normal. they were essentially ftt from 3 - 6 months.

[Ruthla]

Since the poops are often pasty, they could very well be "super concentrated"- 10 days worth of poop in a fairly small package.

Some babies don't poop often because there isn't much in breastmilk that's "waste." Infrequent poops CAN BE a sign of an intestinal blockage, but you've already ruled that out.

Have you already tried chiropractic care?

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by firefaery

Okay, I'm feeling confused. I spoke to Harry and he is being wonderful. He is sending us L. acidophilus and B. bifidum. He said he wasn't going to chance the B. infantis as he couldn't attest to it being totally dairy free. He also said that everything he has is grown on dairy, but their's is then concentrated and cleaned. I expressed my discomfort and he is sending a sample so I can test it and see if he reacts. I'm very nervous though. He basically said that all probiotics are grown on dairy-it's just a matter of what they are cultured on after that. I was under the impression that he could grow things on other mediums...I didn't realize we were running the dairy risk no matter what. : I'm also suprised he is giving us L. acidophilus for a four month old that is ebf. I'm holding my breath. We'll see.

He recommended the same thing for my DD...maybe that's just a standard recommendation. I'm not terribly comfortable with it, either, even though she's older and not EBF anymore. I hope it works for you!

[Panserbjorne]

Ruthla-he was adjusted for the first time the day he was born, and two to three times a week ever since.

[JaneS]

I was under the impression that since bifidobacterium comprises most of the gut flora of normal BF babes, which keeps pathogens out and the gut at a proper ph.... that is why lactobacillus supplementation is not going to do very much.

When a baby is breast-fed by a healthy mother, a protective microflora comprised almost entirely of bifidobacteria is established. This process stimulates intestinal peristalsis and, more importantly, helps babies to have acidic stools (pH 5.0-5.5) containing both free and combined forms of acetic, lactic and formic acid, which inhibit the growth of pathogenic, disease-causing bacteria. http://www.natren.com/pages/baby.html

My concern would be that lactobacillus would inappropriately take up space that the bifidus should be? And shift more towards an adult gut flora and less of a babe's? I do not really know the answer to these questions. After all, BM contains lactobacillus as well.

I do know the most important factor in shift of gut flora from bifidus dominant babe to adult version is food. There has been studies showing any formula supplementation of a BF infant automatically produces an adult-like gut flora (more bad bacteria, less bifidobacteria) and therefore less protection for immune system, resulting in a leaky gut and susceptibility for atopic disease. I know you already know this FF, just thinking out loud.

Maybe given that BM is the only food for your wee one, and we know that the type of lactose in BM is a special kind that favors the development of bifidobacterium, the correct flora will right itself?

[Pookietooth]

Sorry to hear about your pooping troubles, ff. We had the opposite problem with ds, too frequent poops, due to oversupply problems.

[Panserbjorne]

Thanks. Either way it ain't good.