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post #41 of 65
Where are you going to school? PM me if you don't want to post publicly. I am planning on going back to school in nursing after dh graduates next year, and I'm wondering what the climate is like in different places. We have no idea where we'll move to once he graduates.
post #42 of 65
I am taking my last nursing pre-req right now and plan to start my nursing program next fall.. this is my BIGGEST fear- that they will try to make me take part in a RIC. I will NOT do that. I plan to work L&D (before eventually becoming a CNM) and will not compromise on this. I just wonder what kind of battle I will be up against :

Thank you so much for standing up for something you believe in so strongly. Thanks for helping to pave the way for us future nurses
post #43 of 65
Thank you so much for doing what you're doing.

It's awful they're putting that notice in your file! It isn't like you refused to participate in all routine infant procedures! You didn't refuse to weigh the babies, bathe them, administer eye goop or vitamin K. You didn't refuse to do anything but cut off living tissue while they were strapped to a board. Can that really be considered refusing to participate in routine infant procedures? Especially given the fact that it's not even "routine" in some parts of the country?
post #44 of 65
Routine procedure my A$$! Is it routine if its purely cosmetic and only offered to HALF the newborns? :


Lets have an intact-in .
post #45 of 65

You are amazing!

Thank you so much for having the courage to stand up for your convictions!

Please keep us posted on this one- I will begin an accelerated BSN program after I finish my B.A., and am fearful of this sort of thing. Would you mind PMing me or posting to let me know what state you are in/which school?

You are my hero!

~Valarie~
post #46 of 65
"routine newborn procedures"...yeah, right. You should have minimal trouble demanding that gets changed. It's not like you were refusing to do a newborn hearing test.

I think you're on the right track, and I do think you should look into a group....nurses against circ, or legal council or something.

I am incredibly impressed with you, and wish more nurses were like you. :
post #47 of 65
I'm on an email list for nurses where the subject of participating in abortion came up. This is one of the posts that I think applies to this subject as well:

""Everyone in the US has the right to refuse to participate in any medical procedure for moral/religious/philosophical reasons. Contact your HR department and ask for the "opt out" forms (or similarly titled documents.) They are there. Use them. ""

HTH Baybee
post #48 of 65
That is really crappy of them to put a note that makes it sound like you won't take care of babies. Cutting off a piece of their body is not a routine newborn procedure. to you, I hope you can get the note removed.
post #49 of 65
Thread Starter 
Thank you for all your support! It's so reassuring to hear thay you all think I'm doing the right thing. I will keep you posted on what happens with my file in the future.
post #50 of 65
When I was in nursing school, I did observe a RIC (I didn't know any better, however seeing it kept my son intact a few years later). I don't know how open your instructors are, but we always had a project due at the end of the course to present to our clinical group. Maybe you could do a project on circumcision, using good research to back up your points. Who knows- maybe you will educate some classmates...
post #51 of 65
Jenn, you are doing the right thing! Way to go!

I'm sure it's not an easy place to be forced into, but they have NO right to place that in your file, it makes it sound as if you refuse to care for babies at all, and that is simply not true. I'd fight to have that UA Violation letter from your file. Your preceptor sounds : too.

Fight this one, Jenn. They cannot do that to you without violating your personal freedoms (and those of the babies).
post #52 of 65
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Originally Posted by Kelleybug View Post
When I was in nursing school, I did observe a RIC (I didn't know any better, however seeing it kept my son intact a few years later). I don't know how open your instructors are, but we always had a project due at the end of the course to present to our clinical group. Maybe you could do a project on circumcision, using good research to back up your points. Who knows- maybe you will educate some classmates...
I already did a project on RIC for my medical ethics class. It was pretty well-received by both the instructor and the class. The instructor was a CNM and was against RIC and most of the class was open to hearing the research.

I think if I did do another project it would be overkill and sort of rubbing salt into a wound for my current instructor. Also, the people in my praxis group are the same people who sat through my presentation a few months back on RIC.
post #53 of 65
Wow, after your prsentation on RIC they thought they could make you particiate in one? Did they just think your thoughts on the ethics of it were theoretical? It sounds like they ought to have accounted for your reservations already.
post #54 of 65
maybe it was taken into account and theres some passive-agression going on?
post #55 of 65
Good job mama nurse!! I have a feeling you'll get that note removed!!!
post #56 of 65
I'd make it clear that you are happy to assist at a medically necessary circumcision - just not RIC's, which no medical authority in the world recommends...
post #57 of 65
<<Thank you for all your support! It's so reassuring to hear thay you all think I'm doing the right thing. I will keep you posted on what happens with my file in the future.>>

Mamanurse, you're on the front line right now and you have an army of other professionals and parents behind you with resources, lawyers, ideas and support. You'll be helping out some other nurse in the future who is going through the same thing. That's how we've reached this tipping point---every individual and their actions makes a difference in ending circ once and for all.

There is a good email list for "Prepuce Protecting Professionals" that you might want to join for daily support from midwives, doulas, nurses, drs, and others:


Here're the details on prepuceprotectinprof:
Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/prepuceprotectinprof
Group email address: prepuceprotectinprof@yahoogroups.com
Ready to start?

Simply drop by the prepuceprotectinprof homepage now.
post #58 of 65
post #59 of 65
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Wow, after your prsentation on RIC they thought they could make you particiate in one? Did they just think your thoughts on the ethics of it were theoretical? It sounds like they ought to have accounted for your reservations already.
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maybe it was taken into account and theres some passive-agression going on?
This situation occurred in the clinical setting where nobody from my school was present. My preceptor mentioned it to my instructor when she came to visit the site later that day and it sort of exploded from there.

I'm thinking I'll be able to get the note removed. I'm (ahem) very persuasive I also spoke with a friend of mine who is a lawyer and she's on standby should I need her.
post #60 of 65
Hi mamanurse,

did you read this post today? Maybe you can get in touch with this school (via the poster) and they can somehow make a difference at your school? I really can't thank you enough for standing up to these institutional bullies. It's people like you who will help to bring this atrocity down. Thank you.

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=556161
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