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Been told 2x in last 24 hrs of dd being rude/disrespectful  

post #1 of 10
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Mama, please help!

Last night was parent/teacher conference night. DD's teacher is awesome. Seriously, he is everything you could hope for in a teacher and then some. We went over her academics, which is all great. She's in Montessori in the 6-8 year old group (she's 6, about to be 7). DD's teacher said that she is reading/writing at a late second grade/early third grade level, she's funny, creative, articulate and that he adores her. He did say she has some problems with being impolite and sometimes hurtful to her classmates. For instance, when they are having circle time, if the topic is boring her or if something someone is saying is boring her, she'll say, "Blah, blah, blah," with an annoyed look on her face and she'll do that kind of thing with her hand that people do to infer that someone is blabbing on. I have NO idea where she got this. Its never occurred in our household - not between her and me, not between me and a peer, not between me and another child.. its never happened. It is so disrespectful and rude. The teacher just talks to her about it in a gentle, reasonable way.

He also brought up that there's a little girl who is kinda needy and clingy and overtly physically affectionate. In his words it clear that it, "totally turns Shonah off." He says that's completely understandable and that Shonah does seem to have a high need for personal space and gets really annoyed when someone is not respecting that. He says that he's very supportive of her asserting that but that she does it in a way that really hurts this little girls feelings. She raises her voice and shouts at her that she doesn't like her, shouts at her to go away, tells her that she is annoying and that she doesn't want to be her friend. Again the teacher dialogues with her about it, tells her she doesn't have to be friends with or like everyone, but that she does have to be polite and respectful to everyone. He's also talked to the other girl about respecting people's space, etc..

I haven't talked to her about it yet because when I got home it was bed time. I had intended on talking with her today.

Instance #2: This wonderful, wonderful mama that lives in my neighborhood drives Shonah to school everyday. It is an ABSOLUTE blessing for us because we don't have a car and it takes us an hour to get to her school via public trans. This mama is crunchy and gentle. She just called me to let me know that Shonah is giving her a really hard time and that she's starting to feel a bit uncomfortable with the situation. She said most days are fine and that the girls (Shonah and her dd) usually get along well, chat, sing songs, etc.. but that there are days when they bicker and squabble. This mama tries to let them work it out, then she'll gently intercede and if it continues or escalates, she'll let them know that it isn't safe for them to be arguing while she's driving and she'll tell them to just sit quietly and listen to music the rest of the ride. Apparently Shonah will continue to persist with the other little girl and then become argumentative and sullen with the mama. She'll then refuse to get out of the car once they get to school and/or refuse to hold her hand when they cross the busy street and today she refused to go in to school. The mama feels at a loss and frustrated. She asked me if I could please reinforce that it is mandatory that Shonah follow her safety rules, like holding hands while crossing busy streets and that its not acceptable for her to refuse to get out of the car or go in to the school.

I have to say that overall, my dd is a great kid. She listens well and usually she is sweet, funny, loving and cooperative.

But right now I am a) Completely furious at her and am considering it a really great thing that I won't be seeing her until much later today. b) feeling embarrassed that I've been told twice in less than 24 hours of rude and disrespectful behaviour by my child. c) Am wondering WTH I'm doing wrong that she thinks any of this behaviour is remotely acceptable.

I speak kindly and respectfully to her. We have a steady routine that works really well in our household. She eats well and gets ample sleep. We spend good, quality time together. She is snuggled and cuddled and loved everyday. She is guided to be respectful and considerate of other's feelings and needs. I genuienly feel that I model positive behaviour. I'm not sure what is happening here and I'm not sure how I should address this. I am seeing some of this behaviour at home, though not nearly to this extent. When it comes up at home, I tell her how I feel and what I would like to see or hear from her the next time. Like for instance, she was grumbling about "hating her stupid, ugly coat" that SHE picked out a month ago. I told her that she doesn't have to like it, but she did ask for it and that I do work hard for the things we have and that I feel sad and hurt when she says she hates something that I've bought her to keep her warm. She said, "Mama, I didn't know it made you feel that way. I'm sorry." And that was that and we moved on. We don't do punishments around here. We're big in to natural consequences.

The way that the mama who drives her sounded, it seems like if this isn't something we can work on with good results, she's not going to be too keen (understandably so) on continuing to drive Shonah to school. That would be so, so, so incredibly unfortunate for us.

I need to address this and I need to do it tonight. I have a good few hours to quell my anger and get my thoughts together and I could really use some input.

One thing her teacher did say to me yesterday that was pretty redeeming was that one day in circle time they were doing an activity where they one ball of yarn amonst them and they creat a "web of appreciation" by rolling the yarn to someone and telling them what they appreciate about them. Shonah was the third one to go, so she had about 15 kids she could have chose and she chose the girl that gets on her nerves and said, "I appreciate you because even though I'm mean to you sometimes you're never mean back to me. You're always nice even when I'm not." The teacher said he got really choked up and just thought that was amazing. So, she gets it ya know? I just really want to address this in a positive way that garners results that it seems everyone in these situations needs.

TIA!
post #2 of 10
What a tough situation. My children are much younger so I don't have much advice about 6-year-olds, but here's one idea for the commute: could you ride in the car with them all to school? Then you could help mediate any issues between the girls, and you could be the one responsible for getting your daughter to school safely. This could help preserve the friendship with the other mama. It's also non-punitive but shows your daughter your serious intent to make the situation work. Bring bagels or muffins on the first morning and make it fun.

Good luck...the yarn story at the end warmed my heart!
post #3 of 10
I don't want to trivialize your daughter's feelings or motivations at all but this is the best way that I can explain my take, so bear w/ me, ok? It seems like sometimes kids try behaviors on like a costume to see if it works for them and then discard it if it does not. It could be reassuring that it happened twice in 24 hours and it could dissappear as quickly. But I'd ask her what is wrong w/ the car ride, does she want to keep riding w/ them or does she feel kind of forced? The other little one in her class is also forcing herself on your dd, and maybe this is how your dd reacts when backed into a corner? this is so rambling and I apologize but I wanted to help you not be angry, she sounds like a sweetie.
post #4 of 10
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Originally Posted by P-chan View Post
My children are much younger so I don't have much advice about 6-year-olds, but here's one idea for the commute: could you ride in the car with them all to school?
Thanks mamas!

I might be able to swing this for a day or so, but she drops them off five minutes before I'm supposed to be at work. Going with them would result in me being 30 or more minutes late to work.

I am very committed to not talking to her about this with any anger (which is why I mentioned that its a good thing that I won't be seeing her until later today.

I appreciate the input.
post #5 of 10
I agree with Mom2X about kids this age "trying" on behavoirs. My oldest is 6.5 and he's done things like this over the past year or so. A lot of it was trying on behvoirs of other kids he knew at school or sometimes it was just getting wrapped up in himself and forgetting to be kind. He's a very sweet kid, so it was often really shocking when he acted this way (just like you're experiencing)

What helped us was sitting down and having a serious conversation about how keeping our relationships meant treating people well and that rules had to be followed or we couldn't do X things (whatever it was that was going on). It took a lot of reminders and it took me being calm and matter-of-fact about it (when I didn't really feel all that calm about it, lol!) I basically talked to him as if I was sure he must have forgotten or felt so horrible that he lost control of himself to treat someone like that. He was properly appalled when some things were pointed out to him and he went back and made amends for several things.

The thing to remember is that they aren't doing it on purpose and that they are not bad kids and you are not a bad parent. They're just learning so much about how to act in the world and they need us to remind them of what is kinds and what is not.
post #6 of 10
my 2nd grader gets a paper with green lights on it. Maybe you could have the other mother give your daughter a red/yellow/or green light everyday and celebrate the green lights by taking both girls out for icecream or something after a certain amount of time.

The situation with the other child, I would be tempted to overlook, if the girl gets into her personal space she may feel like she has to be loud. I think you could coach her on getting out of sticky situations quickly and how to use it w/ the other girl.
post #7 of 10
No offense, pp, but I really feel very strongly about rewarding good behavior with food. A trip to the park or a special privilege in the car (she gets to pick the music, for example) are much more neutral rewards.

I had a situation with my 4 yo dd about a month ago. I picked her up from school and the teacher told me that she had been disturbing class and hurt another little girl's feelings with a rude remark. I talked with dd about it on the way home and reinforced it the entire evening. We talked a lot about hurt feelings and how important it is that she not disturb class. She is in a language immersion school, so school is in a foreign language all day, and it's important that all the kids get the language exposure... next year they start academics in the foreign language.

She's been fine since then. I think the key for us was that the teacher didn't wait to tell us. She told us the first day it happened and we were able to nip it in the bud. I think that getting reinforcement both from her teacher and at home and gently giving the reminders immediately helped.

Perhaps your dd's teacher can give you feedback a little sooner and see if that helps, too.

It's hard to hear these things about our children, huh?
post #8 of 10
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It's hard to hear these things about our children, huh?
It is hard!

I don't do reward systems, with or without food. I want her to be kind and polite because its important to treat people as you wish to be treated, not because she'll get a treat. I know a lot of people do use reward systems and have good results. I just feel strongly about not using them.

DD and I talked a lot. By the time I picked her up the day I originally posted, I was completely calm. I asked her how she felt about riding with M to school every morning. She told me some things she likes (like having extra time in the morning, not having to wait in the cold for the bus) and some things she doesn't (like that the car is messy; dd is a bit of a neat freak). I told her that M had called me and told me that she was being impolite and uncooperative. DD responded that M was rude to her. She said that she makes her hold her hand and that that is treating her like a baby, which she feels is rude. I don't make her hold my hand because she never ever strays from me when crossing the street. I explained to her that it makes M feel better and safer to hold her hand. I told her that there were a few things, like hand holding while crosssing the street and getting out of the car promptly and cooperatively, that were not negotiable with M. I told DD that it was her decision whether or not she continues to ride with M, but that if she chooses to ride with her she had to abide by those things. If she felt that abiding by M's non-negotiable rules was unreasonable, that we could start taking the bus and train again. She said she prefers to ride with M and that she'll do her best to follow her rules and be polite and cooperative.

We talked a little about being kind and respectful to her classmates and I'm going to continue to work hard to model that behaviour at all times in our household.

Its so hard to not feel embarassed and at fault as a parent when things like this arise.
post #9 of 10
This may not having anything to do with your DD, I'm just thinking about my own DD and I have noticed that sometimes when she has been at Grandma's house and been watching alot of (crappy IMO) cartoons she will pick up some of the snotty ways the cartoon people act. Ruggrats come to mind. Could you DD be picking something up from TV? The blah, blah, blah and the hand thing sounds like a cartoon thing.

So far I think you've handled it very nicely.
post #10 of 10
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This may not having anything to do with your DD, I'm just thinking about my own DD and I have noticed that sometimes when she has been at Grandma's house and been watching alot of (crappy IMO) cartoons she will pick up some of the snotty ways the cartoon people act. Ruggrats come to mind. Could you DD be picking something up from TV? The blah, blah, blah and the hand thing sounds like a cartoon thing.

So far I think you've handled it very nicely.
She only watches PBS (we don't have cable and I won't let her watch network TV, largely because of the commercials). Not sure where she got it... guess she could've picked it up from a friend or watching something at a friend's house.

Thanks for the compliment.
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