help with refusal to vax form- UPDATED - Page 2

[wonderwahine]

you go girl

[LongIsland]

Oh, you need to copy this post in my ped scaremongering thread. I'll put a link in here.

[LongIsland]

Please do us the honor: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=446739

[Amydoula]

I am so sorry you are going through this!!! I totally understand as we just went through this earlier in the month ourselves, I've got a thread on it on the board but its a few weeks back. Anyway, our situation was very similar, we really liked our ped, she was great about herbs, breastfeeding, DS not being on the weight chart as a baby, etc. but this last time when we went in for his 5 year visit she went NUTS when we said we weren't vaxing anymore. Forced me to sign the form by standing in the DOOR with arms crossed until we signed. I signed quickly and left, went straight home and called me non vax/selective vax friendly family doctor's office, made an appointment for DS to get to know her and had the paperwork sent to change over his records. I'm having that paper that I signed removed when I get to the new doctor, if it is included in his file b/c it was COMPLETELY signed under duress. Try for a family practice doctor, they tend to be much more open minded. Post in the tribal area. PM if you want to talk off list, I know what it feels like......

[Mommy~to~Meadow]

I fear the day the ped gives me one to sign... because I wont do it. If you sign that form as is you are creating such a liabilty upon yourself that can come back ten fold on you later. If you sign it as is you are practically "saying" that you are abusing your child. It is rediculous! When the day comes I will scratch out the appropriate lines and then ask the doctor if she still wants me to sign it.

You sound like you have a pretty good relationship with the doc but there are always other doctors out there... it is so sad thta so many people feel belittled by their doctors when they dont have to. Stand up for what you believe - that is all you can do.

[Mommy~to~Meadow]

I accidentaly posted twice. woops

[suschi]

The original form has a lot of damging language,

you sign the form and state that you agree you understand

The purpose of and the need for the recommended vaccine(s)

Which obviously you don't agree there is a need for the vaccines, hence the decline.

And you sign your agreement w/the following statements, that in spite of your dr warning you about the risks of not vaccinating, you are going against the drs recommendations,

Nevertheless, I have decided at this time to decline the vaccine(s) recommended for my child, as indicated above, by
checking the appropriate box under the column titled “declined.”

and you go on to agree that you are putting your child and others at risk,

I know that failure to follow the recommendations about vaccination may endanger the health or life of my child and
others with which my child might come into contact.

If it's a liability issue the dr is worried about, then you can add to the bottom of the form that should your child contract a vaccine preventable disease, you will not hold your dr liable.

Changing peds is probably the best idea though. However, I think as a last eye opener for your doc, it might be fun to go in and advise you are rethinking getting the shots, but you want protection should an adverse event occur, and see if the dr will sign the following,

A Statement by the Physician

I have this day (Day)_____ (Month) _____ (Year) _____

administered this medication to a child named

____________________________________.

I have advised the parents that their child is at minimal statistical risk from the vaccination.

I hereby do agree that should the child at any time suffer or develop any permanent condition deleterious or injurious to his/her health as a result of this treatment then I will pay any and all costs relating to the care and treatment of this child for the rest of its natural life. I further agree that if my earnings are insufficient to meet these costs, I will sell my home, my business and all my material possessions to put the proceeds towards meeting those costs.

Name of the medication

____________________________________________

Method of medication: [ ] oral [ ] injection [ ] other ___________

Manufactured by: __________________________

Lot Number: ___________

_________________________________________
Signature of Physician

_________________________________________
Physician Social Security Number

_________________________________________
Witness (Parent or other)

_________________________________________
Attending Nurse

************************************************** **
As far as getting a new doc, you can check out family practice docs, they are not as pressured about the vaccines.

Also, check w/local health food stores and chiropracters for suggestions.

[mattemma04]

<<She said that's because there has never been a death as a result of a vaccine. >>>

If there has never been a death due to vaccinations then why does the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program pay out 250k?

Ofcourse you have to be able to prove it was the vaccine,but there have been families that were successful. I would send information from the compensation program to your ped.

I have never been asked to sign such a form. I am not sure if I would want to at this point.

[ollineeba]

Originally Posted by Mommy~to~Meadow

You sound like you have a pretty good relationship with the doc but there are always other doctors out there... it is so sad thta so many people feel belittled by their doctors when they dont have to. Stand up for what you believe - that is all you can do.

I thought we did.. but no, we don't. She was condescending and didn't want to hear what I had to say, so there really is no relationship there. I was hurt at first and then my DH and I talked about it and realized there is no real loss here (well, except for the stress ).
I'm calling for their records on Monday and I'm going to try to find a family practitioner for DH and the kids (I already have a great Doc).

[ollineeba]

Originally Posted by mattemma04

<<She said that's because there has never been a death as a result of a vaccine. >>>

If there has never been a death due to vaccinations then why does the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program pay out 250k?

Of course you have to be able to prove it was the vaccine,but there have been families that were successful. I would send information from the compensation program to your ped.

I have never been asked to sign such a form. I am not sure if I would want to at this point.

Yes, I mentioned that to her.. and told her that I knew someone who had received a settlement, so it IS a very real risk.

It was a very odd situation.. because basically I was debating with someone who didn't make any sense, so I couldn't even really offer a rebuttal, you know? She didn't even see her own contradiction : She acted like I was totally insane for not wanting to sign the form.

[ollineeba]

Originally Posted by suschi

Changing peds is probably the best idea though. However, I think as a last eye opener for your doc, it might be fun to go in and advise you are rethinking getting the shots, but you want protection should an adverse event occur, and see if the dr will sign the following,

Yeah, I'm sure that would go over really well It was just so... frustrating.
She wanted me to admit to the risks of the diseases but said she'd have nothing to do with the risks of the vaccinations because that would be between us and the vaccination comp. board, so in her words "why on earth would you want to make an addendum to the form?"

My DH always says "never get into a battle of wits with an unarmed person" and, while the ped. has obviously spent many years in school, that's just what it felt like!