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post #161 of 175
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Originally Posted by njeb View Post
2. Elderly men. Nurses have to take care of them, and sometimes complain about how "gross" their penises are. Most old men were born at a time and place when circumcision was not universal, and neither was good hygiene. Also, they're in a nursing home because they can't take care of themselves. Old men who previously had good hygiene no longer do.
I'm thinking that some of us girls might not be so lovely down below if we are unable to care for ourselves at that point, so it's not an intact penis issue IMO...
post #162 of 175
Yeah, to the one gross infected foreskin pic the pro-circers have to dredge up every time, I have sure seen a buttload of really revolting vulvas on dermatology sites. Still doesn't make me want to cut mine off.

I think I will go take a nice bath though .
post #163 of 175
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Originally Posted by buckeyedoc View Post
I'm thinking that some of us girls might not be so lovely down below if we are unable to care for ourselves at that point, so it's not an intact penis issue IMO...
That's true--we wouldn't be. I believe, however, that you missed my point, which was that improper hygiene due to disability is blamed on the inherent qualities of the foreskin, not on the disability.
One of the unpleasant duties of nurses' aides in nursing homes is to bathe their clients who are unable to wash themselves anymore. Too often on this board, I have seen that this is used as an excuse for circumcising newborns, the fear that they will become gross old men. That is what I was referring to above. I do NOT think that this should be used as an excuse for mutilating newborns.
post #164 of 175
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Originally Posted by TigerTail View Post
Yeah, to the one gross infected foreskin pic the pro-circers have to dredge up every time, I have sure seen a buttload of really revolting vulvas on dermatology sites. Still doesn't make me want to cut mine off.

I think I will go take a nice bath though .
Tigertail!

Welcome to MDC and...
Please don't circ your son. Let this be his first lesson in fitting in is not everything.
post #165 of 175
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Originally Posted by gabysmom617 View Post
but my husband was cut at age 11 years, and to him, it was excruciatingly painful. but moreso when he peed.

To bm31, if you said you were recut at age 6, i wonder if your glans was already exposed before that, because if it was, then it would have already had 6 years worth of keratinazation (sp?) on the parts that were exposed the most, you know?
My glans was completely covered because of a very loose original circ, but it was not attached because it had initially been separated the first time. It was still very sensitive. I wouldn't argue that your husband found it painful. I'm sure I didn't enjoy it either at the time, and I remember how badly it burned the first time I urinated. But honestly, the childhood/medical memory of pain that really stands out for me is when I had a broken arm reset.
post #166 of 175
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Originally Posted by TigerTail View Post
Trust me, my kids don't wonder why they weren't cut like daddy; they wonder why poor daddy was cut in the first place.
Just a and, well said!
post #167 of 175
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Originally Posted by Bm31 View Post
My glans was completely covered because of a very loose original circ, but it was not attached because it had initially been separated the first time. It was still very sensitive. I wouldn't argue that your husband found it painful. I'm sure I didn't enjoy it either at the time, and I remember how badly it burned the first time I urinated. But honestly, the childhood/medical memory of pain that really stands out for me is when I had a broken arm reset.
My two youngest boys (8 & 5) have loose circs. Their glans were covered and the body attempted to heal itself by re-attaching. They are very sensitive the older they get when material of any kind touches the glans. I am not sure if it is painful so to speak, but it is definately uncomfortable for them. My eight year old always says it feels weird and he doesn't like it touching anything. Their glans are still 3/4 covered, but they would both spend a large portion of the day pushing their glans back under the remaining foreskin. My eight year old is probably loosing some of his sensitivity already b/c he doesn't do this as much as he used to. My five year old is constantly pushing his glans back under the remaining foreskin. He has told me it hurts when it comes out.
post #168 of 175
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Originally Posted by TigerTail View Post
Trust me, my kids don't wonder why they weren't cut like daddy; they wonder why poor daddy was cut in the first place.
fabulous! Reminds me of my brother, when he found out what circumcision was (he's intact, our dad cut), and he said, horrified, "why did you let your mother cut off part of your penis" and my dad answered, "I didn't get much say in the matter." That conversation is telling on so many levels. My brother wanted to know why my dad LET HIS MOTHER do it. No blaming the doctors when your 4, moms are in charge. My dad said he didn't get a say. So true. My dad is horrifed by the prevalance of circumcision. He speaks out about it.

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:Puke :Puke :Puke :Puke :Puke
It gets worse and worse and worse. : : :
it sure does.
post #169 of 175
When your son is born, his whole world is you and your dh. Please, don't commit an act of violence against him "for his own good." Or for any other reason. Human beings can survive an amazing amount of trauma. That doesn't mean they should have to.
post #170 of 175
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Originally Posted by Houdini View Post
My two youngest boys (8 & 5) have loose circs. Their glans were covered and the body attempted to heal itself by re-attaching.
Yes, mine did the same. As far as I can remember, mine mostly attempted to re-attach around the rim of the glans. It was a constant, losing battling to try and re-separate, which is what led to the re-circ. To this day, I can still see permanent adhesions (large skin bridges maybe?) around the majority of the rim of my glans. I would leave your boys well enough alone. In my experience, no good can come from another circ or any further meddling.
post #171 of 175
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Originally Posted by Bm31 View Post
Yes, mine did the same. As far as I can remember, mine mostly attempted to re-attach around the rim of the glans. It was a constant, losing battling to try and re-separate, which is what led to the re-circ. To this day, I can still see permanent adhesions (large skin bridges maybe?) around the majority of the rim of my glans. I would leave your boys well enough alone. In my experience, no good can come from another circ or any further meddling.
Unfortunately, my middle son was re-circ'd at 1.5 years old. When my youngest started with the same issues, I tried to separate the glans and just couldn't put him through the pain. I finally left it be and I figure it will be fine on its own. He hasn't seen a doctor about it and I have no plans to take him.
post #172 of 175
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Originally Posted by Houdini View Post
Unfortunately, my middle son was re-circ'd at 1.5 years old. When my youngest started with the same issues, I tried to separate the glans and just couldn't put him through the pain. I finally left it be and I figure it will be fine on its own. He hasn't seen a doctor about it and I have no plans to take him.
Good for you for leaving your youngest alone. My re-circ was a complete botch job, so I just see that as allowing them another opportunity to screw something more up. Hopefully your middle son's wasn't as bad. I'm sorry I can't give you any testimony on the adhesions releasing on their own later as mine weren't allowed to do that. From an older, adult perspective, I would've much rather had those than what they ended up doing. The ridge of my glans was still mostly destroyed from all the reseparations and then I went to an overly tight circ as well. They just couldn't leave it alone.
post #173 of 175
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Originally Posted by JuJuBees View Post
if it is less than 1% how come i hear about it so frequently happening? i have heard of several cases, and i dont know many intact men.
Funny, I here about it all the time to. no one I know in real life it's always "the reason I circed is because a friend of a friends uncle had to have it done when he was 40" etc I wonder how many of these stories are actually true because both my son's are intact as well as all stepfather, FIL and all his brothers, elderly patients I use to take care of, and all of my friends son's and no one has ever had a problem what-so-ever.
post #174 of 175
I DO have people in my life that had to be circ'd at an older age - my BIL and my younger brother. I don't talk to them personally about it, but I assume that if they had been left alone, they would have been fine. My SIL used the fact that her dh was circ'd at an older age to tell me I was wrong not getting ds circ'd. BIL was silent, though I suppose he believes it as well. My brother had his son circ'd too. Two of my nephews are intact, and I've not heard of any problems there.
post #175 of 175
i think the boys/men who 'had' to be circed probably didn't have to be. if it was because of recurrent infections, obviously a lifestyle and diet change and the use of meds if necessary would solve the problem. i think infection is probably the most common reason i've heard of. Americans are pretty toxic and docs here are knife happy.
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