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post #21 of 175
Sucrose is often used to sedate babies. But it's a sedative, not anesthesia.
post #22 of 175
Please just watch the video. : Then check out a few of the links some previous posters have given you. After doing those two things I knew circ'ing my son was something I'd never do.
post #23 of 175
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Originally Posted by JuJuBees View Post
see.. i have a neighbore who left her son intact, and when he was 14 he needed to be circumsized. he resented his mother for not doing it when he was a baby. he hated that he had to get it done when he was at an age when no kid wants to be different for any reason. the fact that he had to take time off school to get his penis cut got around the school and people made fun of him. thats sad. i wouldnt want my kid to go through that.
I sincerely doubt that his circ was necessary. Often, doctors simply don't have the education here in the US to understand the nature of the foreskin, the variations of normal and ways to heal the issues that one might have. I'm so sorry for him, because he WILL miss his foreskin.

I have one circed boy and three intact boys. With my first, there was no consent, just an assumption that this was what was done. And so it was. And, I had to care for my son's bloody penis. I cried at every diaper change. I still carry the guilt for having done it, even though I knew he was PERFECT at birth. PERFECT!

Watch the videos listed here. Really watch them and then think if you would allow someone to do this to your sweet baby boy. Are you really going to allow someone to forcibly remove his foreskin for COSMETIC reasons?

Welcome to MDC! There's a lot of info here to help you along the way.
post #24 of 175
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Originally Posted by Brisen View Post
Why did he need to be circumcised? Many Drs as I said have too little experience with a normal penis and will jump on the circ to fix it bandwagon too fast. An infection should be treated with antibiotics, not cutting. And yes, there will be rare cases where it is needed -- just like there are women who need to have a breast removed. It doesn't mean we have the right to circ at birth when there is NO medical reason.
i think his forskin kept getting infected because he couldn't pull it back to clean it. i think it was stuck to the head of his penis or something.
post #25 of 175
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Originally Posted by JuJuBees View Post
so how do they get it unfused? i thought they just cut the foreskin.
The foreskin is fused to the glans in babies. Stuck to the head of the penis. In order to get the foreskin off, the doctor must first separate that skin from the head of the penis.

Many mothers think that a circumcision is merely a clipping of the skin that is hanging over the glans. It's not. Watch the video. You'll see.
post #26 of 175
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Originally Posted by JuJuBees View Post
so how do they get it unfused? i thought they just cut the foreskin.
The stick a blunt instrument underneath and separate it. That is the main difference in an adult circ and babies, babies have fused foreskin while an adult male has a retractable foreskin and they just have to cut. I posted a link with a site about adult circ that really took away the idea that it is worse for adults, post op meds alone make it easier.
post #27 of 175
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Originally Posted by JuJuBees View Post
so how do they get it unfused? i thought they just cut the foreskin.
They forcibly tear the skin, much the same as pulling the fingernail off the finger. The skin is attached to the head of the penis and they use a medical instrument to separate the skin from the head.
post #28 of 175
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i watched the video that sleepless mommy linked.. and when they sticked the thing under his foreskin it doesnt seem like anything is fused it seems like it is all all seperated, not like your fingernail at all. but i didn't know that they cut that much. i really just thought it was the small flap of skin at the end of the penis.
post #29 of 175
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Originally Posted by JuJuBees View Post
i think his forskin kept getting infected because he couldn't pull it back to clean it. i think it was stuck to the head of his penis or something.

that is very common in boys who are forcibly retracted. Many docs do that because they think they need to, but they do NOT. There are many non surgical methods for helping her sons problems.
post #30 of 175
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Originally Posted by JuJuBees View Post
i watched the video that sleepless mommy linked.. and when they sticked the thing under his foreskin it doesnt seem like anything is fused it seems like it is all all seperated, not like your fingernail at all. but i didn't know that they cut that much. i really just thought it was the small flap of skin at the end of the penis.
Yes, I thought that too. Until I saw my son's bleeding penis.
post #31 of 175
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Originally Posted by JuJuBees View Post
i watched the video that sleepless mommy linked.. and when they sticked the thing under his foreskin it doesnt seem like anything is fused it seems like it is all all seperated, not like your fingernail at all. but i didn't know that they cut that much. i really just thought it was the small flap of skin at the end of the penis.
It is fused, but like when you see a doctor slice skin with a scapel it looks easier when someone who has training does it, chances are this doc has done enough to make it *look* effortless.
post #32 of 175
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Originally Posted by JuJuBees View Post
i watched the video that sleepless mommy linked.. and when they sticked the thing under his foreskin it doesnt seem like anything is fused it seems like it is all all seperated, not like your fingernail at all. but i didn't know that they cut that much. i really just thought it was the small flap of skin at the end of the penis.

http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/

This may already have been linked, but it is pictures to show the procedure.
post #33 of 175
*hugs* to you JujuBees... Good for you for rethinking what so many people do "just because it's what's done"! Keep reading, keep questioning, and think of your BEAUTIFUL, perfect, and whole little boy. This is his body and you're his mother. Protect him, please. *hugs again*
post #34 of 175
Welcome Juju! I read all your past posts... you seem to be getting to know us here at MDC!
post #35 of 175
I don't understand the argument about having a son circumcised so that they look like their father. (Not only referring to the OP - but that argument in general)

Would you surgically alter other parts of a child's body so that they looked more like daddy's? Ears? Bellybutton? Big toe?

If a boy were born with only 1 testicle, should a second, fake one be implanted so that the son looks like his father?

Would you surgically alter your daughter's genitals so that they looked more like your own?
post #36 of 175
I think the first thing to do is clear up some major misconceptions regarding male anatomy. It's very common for people to assume that circumcision is just a little snip of a tiny piece of skin but it is much more than that. In reality the foreskin IS it's very own body part, not just a piece of extra skin on the tip of the penis. Just like the labia are considered special parts of the female genitalia. A typical circumcision removes about half of the skin of the penis and it removes the most nerve-laden, sensitive part of the penis. A very good video to watch is a short factual presentation on the anatomy of the foreskin (or prepuce) which is an integral part of the genitalia of both men and women. You can watch it here:

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vi...622b528.774135

Once you know what the foreskin really is and how it works you will have a better idea of why it is such a drastic removal.

It's also good to remove the myths about circumcision. If you research the subject you will find that there are no medical authorities throughout the world that recommend routine infant circumcision. You will also find that nearly every "problem" with the intact penis is either not really a problem at all but considered one due to lack of education, or it can easily be dealt with through non-invasive and less drastic measures.

It used to be thought that infants were incapable of feeling pain. Surgeries and procedures were carried out on babies with no effort at pain relief. Then medical studies in the 80's caught up with common sense and it was discovered that babies actually feel pain more acutely than adults. Many doctors still carry out circumcisions without the use of any pain reliever at all.

A commonly accepted method of infant pain relief is to give them a pacifier with sugar. Even when more effort is made to reduce the pain it is impossible to give complete pain relief during the procedure (anesthetic is dangerous to anyone but especially infants) and afterward there is pain during the healing as circumcision creates an open wound that is frequently bathed in stinging urine. Did you happen to tear a little bit when you gave birth? Remember that water bottle that was your friend because it hurt so bad to pee?

Aside from the life-long loss of an important body structure, there are immediate consequences to infant circumcision. Circumcision stresses the baby out physically and emotionally. It interrupts parent-infant bonding, disrupts the babies sleep/wake/feeding cycles. Can cause difficulty with breast-feeding and generally makes the baby unhappy.

Laura
post #37 of 175
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Originally Posted by Houdini View Post
http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/

This may already have been linked, but it is pictures to show the procedure.
ewww.. the penis afterwards looks gross, and sore..
post #38 of 175
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Originally Posted by JuJuBees View Post
ewww.. the penis afterwards looks gross, and sore..
It is my opinion that a penis in its natural form, with forskin is way more attractive than a penis that has been cut.
post #39 of 175
Hi, Jodie - Good for you for looking into circumcision rather than automatically having it done without any thought.

I grew up in and live in the midwestern US. My family members are circumcised, my husband is circumcised, and all of the boyfriends I ever had were circumcised (at least to my knowledge). I really never thought much about circumcision at all, pro or con, until I was pregnant with my first son in 2004. One of my coworkers/friends, who has a similar background as me, didn't circumcise her son born a few months before mine. She didn't force anti-circ information on me, but she said she and her husband (who is circ'd) did not find it necessary to circumcise and that US rates had been on the decline for many years, which I never realized. She told me to do some digging on the internet.

It did not take long for me to figure out how silly it was that we (Americans) are just about the only ones who keep circumcising our boys just because it was done to our generation and our parents' generation. It needs to stop somewhere, so why not here? It turns out that having a foreskin is no problem, as it requires very little care and is unlikely to ever need to be removed. Because fewer boys are being circumcised these days, our son (now sons) won't be the only uncircumcised ones. I thought my husband might favor circumcision, since he is circumcised and generally on the traditional side of issues, but he shocked me by saying he didn't think we should have it done. He said he wondered if he would have more sensation in that area if he had not been circumcised (yes, he started thinking about this because of The Howard Stern Show!). He would not have cared if he were the only intact boy on the football team and certainly wasn't worried about our son not "matching" him. He feels like our parents made one decision based on the times and that we should make a decision based on the time we live in now. He was also concerned about two friends we have who circumcised their sons and had significant post-op problems (one was a fairly serious infection, and the other was massive adhesions leading to recircumcision at age 6 weeks). We couldn't live with that.

When we told the pediatrician at a late-pregnancy interview that we wouldn't be doing it, he said good and that it was essentially a cosmetic procedure anyway.

Since making that decision in 2004, we feel even more strongly that it was the right one. Over time, I came to feel that not only was circumcision unnecessary, but that it wasn't right for parents to make that decision for a newborn boy. A man should be able to decide for himself how he wants his penis to be. Both hubby and I have tried to talk to others about it.

BTW, my family is Jewish, so I had to go against the grain in making this decision. Surprisingly, it has been no problem (although I don't think my grandparents know about it). I get the impression that my mom is uncomfortable about having circumcised my two brothers.

I hope you listen carefully to your gut about circumcision, since my guess is that it will tell you there is no good reason to do it. Just because we are "used to it" in our culture doesn't mean that it isn't pretty outrageous when we step back and look at it.
post #40 of 175
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Originally Posted by BetsyNY View Post
Sucrose is often used to sedate babies. But it's a sedative, not anesthesia.
It's not a sedative, either. It's sugar water.
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