I think that Ring around the Rosie uses much more subtle language and is used far and wide in many classes/schools and many ages.
The song I wrote about uses clear language- "we are all God's children and we all must die"...believe me I started hearing about dying and fielding questions about death right away. I just had no idea that it was coming from school until he sang the whole song in my presence...it didn't feel good to hear those words coming out of his mouth. Plus, I got to hear about death and dying from his younger brother (3 at the time). It is really crazy the more I think about it.
Rhonwyn- I have always appreciated your insights and you seemed to be clearly put off by this song when I first posted. I'm not sure why you are equating it with Ring around the Rosie now. I'm sure you realize that most parents would not experience hearing these words come out of their children's mouths the same way they do with Ring around the Rosie.
I would hate for this to digress into a sort of she said/she said...I respect that your experience (and Deborah's) have beeen different. Still, there are a great number of people who like me, originally chose to agree with people like you rather then the ex-Waldorf folks, and came to experience many of the things they read about. I have defended Waldorf here and IRL. I still think it is right for many. I also think there are elements to it that can be unaccpetable and surprising to many.
It is fair to say that it is all true- that some people experience Waldorf one way and some another. But, there is simply no way to discredit me or other parents who truly have no vested interest in spending time on MDC discussing these matters but to seek resolution and move on. From the time my son was an infant, I was interested in Waldorf, read about it and implemented some of it's ideals (I loved "You are your child's first Teacher"). It borders on devestating to hold such high ideals for your child's education only to find that it is not the healthy, safe place you thought it was. It was a shock to be back out there trying to find an alternative.
I realize that many people go through Waldorf education with much more positive impressions and great outcomes. I would still recommend the school (and I do) but I am clear that there are religious elements and a sort of secretive doctrine that they have to just have faith in and accept that they wont fully "get it".
I also know people who, even years into it, are exhausted and stressed out from trying to get answers, communicate and understand what is going on. That is a tough path and the more rooted their kids are, the harder it is to leave.
Again, all points of view are valid and I suppose each parent needs to see what resonates with them and go from there.
Off to bake! (Talk about scary).