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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hello,

This is the first time I'm posting here but I have been reading for years. Please give me your thoughts about this. Do you have a sensitive child like this?

I have a 4.5 yo dd and a 23 m ds. My dd goes to a small montessori preschool 3 times a week. She has always been a very very sensitive, spirited child and that made us attachment parent her. She bf until 2 and still co-sleeps with us as does her brother.

She is a very sweet, caring, complicated person but for some reason has an immense need to cry, ever since she was a baby she has cried a lot, sometimes for hours. This morning she said again "I can't stop crying" and proceeded to cry for about 30 minutes. Nothing we do quite comforts her although she likes to be held when she cries and snuggles against us. She just needs to cry. We've read books by Aletha Solter and have come to terms with the crying, it's her way of releasing.

However, overall, she is just not a very happy person around other people. She does laugh occasionally and has fun sometimes but smiles and laughter are not her way outside the family, she's happy with us though. So I haven't been that concerned. We've always thought of her as sensitive and spirited but have thought that it is within a normal range. My brother in law, however, suggested that she has Asperger's, without actually being in contact with her very much, so I pretty much disregarded that. His son has Asperger's.

She often tries to control people, especially friends smaller than her but also adults. She likes to boss people around but is very shy so she does this only with people she knows. She tells her friends what to do and is mean to them if they don't follow. She is kind of awkward socially and if she talks with people she often kind of yells and repeats herself over and over until they answer. But the way she talks to them is out of turn and overlapping with them and - I know this is normal for the age - but it is just somehow very awkward, there is something about it that worries me beyond shyness. My dh and I are also very shy and socially sometimes awkward. We are trying our best to model appropriate social behavior for her and she has other good role models in her life, too.

In groups she has not participated until very recently but has always just observed. This goes for any group: library storytime, preschool, any classes we've taken. At preschool, they have a teacher come in and teach yoga and she has always just observed. Just recently the teacher changed and dd really clicked with her and has started participating. So she can. This new teacher is foreign like me and speaks with an accent, like me.

This morning I dropped her off at preschool and she was crying again and clinging to me. This still happens. This time the teacher, a wonderful caring lady who runs her preschool at the back of her house and has a very small group of kids there, took me aside and recommended that we either take her to counseling or to an acupuncturist/homeopathist. She said dd is somehow out of balance and is not a happy person. None of the other kids she's had there behave in this way consistently after some initial trouble, so she wants us to find dd a way to enjoy herself, to balance her life somehow. The teacher said that dd could be depressed. The teacher said dd will have trouble at kindergarten if things go like this.

I just don't know what to think. Does anyone else have a child like this? Where do I start? Should I consider homeschooling her, should I take her in for evaluation? Or does this sound normal?

I have also been depressed during the last 4 years and have received some counceling. Could my depression have caused hers? I don't consider myself more than slightly depressed and I'm functional in everyday life. But I might not be a really happy person myself, so a bad role model for her. I'm an extreme introvert and raising kids is very hard because I'm lacking the personal space and time that I need. Thank you for reading this.
post #2 of 17
Annelina,
I don't know that I have anything useful to say but I wanted to reply because I sympathise with both you and your dd. I was a sensitive and depressed child. I cried a lot and would say I didn't know why I was crying. In retrospect I know I was depressed. I did have some obvious triggers for depression in my life (my parents split when I was 3 and my dad moved abroad) but I think I also had a strong (possibly inherited) predisposition towards depression.

Now as an adult, I also am someone who tends easily to depression (though mostly mild) and needs a lot of space, so I sympathise with your feelings about being a mother.

I think you don't necessarily need to know if your dd is clinically depressed. What is obvious is that she isn't a happy person, as you say, and that regular life events are stressful and hard for her. I think even if it's really just the person she is and she needs to cry, maybe a good child therapist could help her get on a more even keel. I could also imagine acupuncture, homeopathy or chiropractic being useful. I think the idea of helping her find a little more balance sounds right. That could involve helping her develop coping skills, or doing some treatment that brings her body and mind into a more harmonious state, or adjusting her environment (school, dealing with strangers, whatever she's having difficulty with) or a combination.

I think there's a lot of value for her and you in recognising that to some extent this is who she is, but also in looking for ways to allow her to be who she is with as much peace as possible.
post #3 of 17
I hope things get better for you all. This is very hard. I don't have a lot of advice, but I hope you get some here.

My only suggestion is that you talk to a counselor about her first (before having her go). A good counselor will suggest that anyway.

Also, my sensitive kids pick up on my feelings like lightening rods. If you have been having problems, she probably will be aware of it. Do you spend any one-on-one time with her? If not, it may be good to get a sitter for your younger one and make some playdates with just you and her.
post #4 of 17
Please understand that I tell you this with the utmost empathy for you and your daughter... I have read about psychological studies documenting that children of depressed mothers are at a high risk for depression. I urge you to seek professional counseling for yourself and your daughter as soon as possible.
post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for your replies, they are very kind. It does seem like my dd picks up on my moods because she is very sensitive. When I'm feeling good, she's feeling good, too, and the reverse.

To clarify, I have been to counseling already. I started going when dd was about 9 months old and then again when she turned 4. In total, I visited a therapist about 10 times. It was helpful and I might go again but it seemed that MY biggest problem was a lack of space and time for myself, which was the main cause of my mild depression. I have been trying to arrange more time by myself. I think it might be useful to go there with my dd and it seems that people who responded here feel that it would be useful, too.
post #6 of 17
I would definitely seek out a good family counselor. Given your tendency toward depression, and her behavior, it could help. What you want to do is set up for her a good model of how to get help when she needs it. Hopefully with early help, she won't need it in later life, but you never know.

I would also recommend, if you haven't already, reading the books "The Highly Sensitive Child" and also "The Hidden Gifts of the Introverted Child". Our son is highly sensitive and an introvert, and understanding this has helped me understand him (I am too, so it wasn't a major leap for me.)

Our son had difficulties separating until he was about 4, maybe 4 1/2. Then his social skills kicked in (finally!) and thing were much smoother. Nothing you've said about her interactions with her friends sounds out of the ordinary for us.

A long shot: You might also want to read up on Sensory Integration Disorder (aka Sensory Processing) issues. Sometimes kids with these issues ARE socially awkward because they are overwhelmed. Nothing you said actually makes me think this is an issue EXCEPT the talking/repeating (as if she's not getting the verbal cues), and the fact that you've got relatives with Aspberger's. SID often accompanies autism spectrum disorders, but it can occur without those too. Our son has SID (but no autism, but a cousin with autism), and getting Occupational Therapy for that has allowed him to self-regulate better, and thus interact with his friends more appropriately. A good book is: The Out of Sync Child.

Good luck!
post #7 of 17
I did a search for childhood depression and found this thread. I'd like to revive it and maybe get some insight into my own DD's sadness. Sorry for hijacking the thread. I just didn't feel like starting a new one was necessary. It sounds like the OP's situation and my own are very similar. I, too, am prone to depression. My 3 1/2yo DD is just sad a lot. She'll just come to me and say "I'm sad". When I ask her why she never knows. My family has a history of sadness that just is. There are no triggers. My husband is also very prone to depression. We were both sad kids. I don't mean to sound like I doubt my DD when I say this, but how do I know she's sad? Could she mistake boredom for sadness? As i wrote that I realized that that in itself is probably an issue. The average person doesn't slip into sadness so easily. Or am I wrong?

Anyway what should I do? OP, if you see this thread could you write and let me know if you found anything particularly helpful? Any advice would be wonderful.

Thanks
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by herbalmommy View Post
My 3 1/2yo DD is just sad a lot. She'll just come to me and say "I'm sad". When I ask her why she never knows.
I posted earlier on this thread, and so came to check when I saw it reappear.
I don't know if this helps, but I think the most supportive thing you can do for your dd when she says this is, instead of asking why (since she doesn't know), just to ask what you can do for her to help her feel better. If she's able to respond, it might also give you more information about what she's feeling (by what she tells you she needs).
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hello,

I came back to give an update on my daughter. I figured out what was wrong with my dauhter.

NOTHING was wrong with HER. She was unhappy at preschool and after I pulled her out in December and stayed home with her an ds (2) full-time, dd has been the happiest little girl in town. No more anxiety, grumpiness, control issues, crying fits, mood swings etc. She is a normal, happy, lively girl. Still shy, but hey, so am I. It has been an complete turnaround and I've never seen her this happy and confident before. She's also very snuggly and loving in a more open way and her creative and artistic side has really emerged at home.

About two weeks after I wrote my post here her preschool teacher wrote a disturbing e-mail to me elaborating on the topic that she talked to me earlier, i.e. that there was something wrong with my daughter, she is not a happy child, she is unbalanced, she should get evaluated and treated and some other personal things. The tone of the e-mail was not helpful and constructive, it seemed like a personal attack. So it started my thinking process... I started hearing disturbing things from other parents who had kids in the preschool about how the teacher treated my dd. The teacher was heard to be very unkind to dd, particularly about going to the bathroom. My daughter starting pooping 5-10 times before school because she was so upset but couldn't quite tell us why she was upset. She is a very sensitive child and seems to react with her stomach first.

She was fine with the teacher/preschool for over 2 years. I think something must have changed and they were no longer a fit. I'm still kicking myself for not doing anything sooner and not seeing her behaviours as a reaction rather than a character trait.

DD and I have now had 3 months together on a 24/7 basis and we have truly connected with each other. I'm so glad about my decision to have her home and I'm looking forward to every day that I can spend with her. Kindergarten is starting in the fall and it makes me sad to be away from her now.

I did consult with her pediatrician about what the preschool teacher said and how things were going and the issues we felt dd had and her pedi said that in her opinion and experience of dd during the last 4.5 years, dd is normal and we should stop worrying. She said many people have trouble understanding sensitive kids (I guess that includes us, her parents. Pedi's recommendation was to change schools so that she could be in a more flexible environment where she is understood better.

So here's our story. I guess I learned to believe in my daughter and to trust my mother bear instincts as well.
post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 
I wanted to add that I've been reading The Highly Sensitive Child and it has been very helpful. I'm not a very sensitive person myself so I'm trying to learn ways to accommodate dd better. I think this book would be good for those of you who feel that your child seems sad. Sensitive children often pick up feelings that are around them at home. They are like sponges.

And, weirdly enough, now that my kids are home with me full time I have less issues about needing personal space than earlier. I also haven't been depressed and maybe dd can sense that. I feel like we've both found some balance and purpose in our lives that was possibly lacking ealier.
post #11 of 17
Annelina -- thanks so much for the update! I am so glad that things have worked out so positively for your daughter and you.
post #12 of 17
My best advice would be to take her to a classical homeopath. Try giving her 2 doses of homeopathic Pulsatilla in the meantime. You can get it in 30C potency at the health foodstore over the counter.


http://www.homeopathic.org/find.htm
post #13 of 17
Even after learning what was causing her recent stress-- I don't think the idea of Asperger's is so far-fetched. It's worth looking into with a developmental ped. It would be expected for her to improve at home if school was stressful for her, but that doesn't rule out that she will need other help, esp as Kindergarten approaches. Good luck!
post #14 of 17
I actually think from your description that she is more anxious than depressed. Childhood anxiety often presents like that. e.g., social phobia or generalized anxiety.

I looooooved reading your update. It warmed my heart to read how well she is doing. Some kids have a more intense need for mama time, that's for sure, and are just lost without it. Glad to hear things are looking up.
post #15 of 17
Annelina - I'm so glad that things turned around for your dd. Isn't it amazing how significant a proper environment is and how awful a wrong environment can be?

I also want to bring to your attention (and anyone else!) that there is a MDC tribe for Mothering the Highly Sensitive Child:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=196898
post #16 of 17
Thread Starter 
Everyone, thanks for your kind words. Laura, thanks, I've started reading the HS child thread. It really makes me feel relieved -- I mean, others are dealing with the same stuff. I feel like people who don't have a highly sensitive child just don't quite understand (excluding the wonderful Mothering moms here, of course).

The Highly Sensitive child book has a good discussion comparing autism (asperger's) and sensitivity. Even if they sometimes might look similar outwardly, they are in fact completely different and I'm pretty clear that dd is not autistic. She is too sensitive and thus can lock up socially when she receives too much information. She is so sensitive to me and my feelings that she sometimes can almost read my mind, I swear. I'm thinking of something and she says it out loud, almost word for word.
post #17 of 17
If possible, I would consider reading up on homeschooling. It might be that the transition to K will go fine, but if it doesn't, its good to be knowelgdeable about other options.

BTW- I also have a highly sensitive dd who is 4 who we pulled out of preschool in December- and I only wish I had done it sooner. For a lot of reasons, including the bad experience with preschool, we have decided to homeschool dd for Kindergarten.
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