Santorum foot in mouth. - Page 2

[AdinaL]

I can see the logic behind that argument.

If he had be discussing marriage I would have seen the logic. Especially since that is such a hot topic right now.

But since he was discussing only intimate relations...between two consenting adults...I took offense to his comments.

Gay marriage is a whole different subject. and as long as there are laws on the books about not being able to have certain types of gay sex, it will be a non issue...can you imagine being married and getting arrested for having sex in your own bedroom? Yikes.

thanks for you thoughts - I was right I did want to read them!

[mahdokht]

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[AdinaL]

I never had a problem with multiple spouses. If you have time and energy to treat all spouses the same...the go for it. I personally only have time and energy for one.

So I kind of think that polygamy, bigamy and gay marraige should all be legal....
Which makes me greatly in the minority.

[mahdokht]

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[mum2sarah]

o.k., perhaps now it should be "mum2sarah foot in mouth" thread: I admit; I do not know any women in polygomous relationships. I have, however, read and seen specials on TV about women who were victimized in such a relationship. Perhaps they were the exception to the rule; I don't know. I guess my whole point is that there is a difference between a "couple" (to use your word) wanting marriage and a group of people, and that the latter situation DOES have a choice in the matter; whereas there is much evidence (scientific and antecdotal) to show that gays do not have a choice in their orientation. I personally would not have a problem if both gay marriage AND polygamy were legal (although it should be just as o.k. for a women to have more than one DH if a man can have more than one wife ). I was just trying to say there is a difference.

[sohj]

Originally posted by AdinaL
can you imagine being married and getting arrested for having sex in your own bedroom? Yikes.

A few years ago, I recall reading that in several states, Alabama being one of them...correct me if I am wrong, please!..., married couples (heterosexual, monagamous) had been arrested for the crime of "sodomy". At least one of these cases was over fellatio and all had occurred in the couples' own homes.

I've always wondered what it would be like to get transferred to that police unit. What do they call them, The Peeping Tom Squad? And do they like going home at night and telling their kids what they do, how they protect and serve?

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[asherah]

Well Adinal, you may be greatly in the minority..
But I agree with you!

[Meiri]

A few years ago, I recall reading that in several states, Alabama being one of them...correct me if I am wrong, please!..., married couples (heterosexual, monagamous) had been arrested for the crime of "sodomy". At least one of these cases was over fellatio and all had occurred in the couples' own homes.

What I want to know is how the police found out in order to arrest those couples. Last I heard peeping into people's windows was an arrestable offense. Did they also arrest the peeping tom who reported the "crime"????

Polygyny has the reputation in this country of creating victims because of the way it is practiced by certain "mormons" who refuse to accept that the LDS church no longer officially condones the practice. Those polygamists are often taking very young girls as wives, girls are being given in "marriage" to much older men without the girl's consent, etc Thus the negative image polygyny has in the US...

I myself wouldn't mind a wife, if she enjoyed doing some of the housework that I can't stand...we could split the tasks among 3 adults and maybe all do what we minded least. I could even see Me being able to love two husbands, though I can also see that DH(D as in Dear ) would not be able to share That way. ah welll

[mum2sarah]

Meiri,
The polygamists you refer to are exactly the ones I was referring to. I do not wish to spread the idea that polygamy could never work. Like I said, in theory it can work just fine. I guess I am just not familiar with its success in practice; probably just because it is not done in our culture. Perhaps in other cultures people are quite happy with such an arrangement. More power to them. I just feel bad for the young ladies who are taken advantage of here in the U.S. by some "mormons." But hey, I can relate to you on the housework thing. I'm lucky enough to have my sister living with us (she's a recoverring anorexic), and she does a lot around the house for us. So I guess you could say, I can see some advantages to having more than one woman around the house

[mahdokht]

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[mum2sarah]

That is an excellent point! I have to admit, muslimomma, you have sure opened my eyes. You're right; there are a lot of unsuccessful marriages in our society. In fact, I remember in college thinking I would never get married, because practically everyone I knew had been divorced (my parents, almost all my aunts and uncles, my grandparents, etc.). I began to think it was unrealistic to commit your life to someone in a marriage. But of course after meeting DH, I changed my tune. Anyway, I guess what's important is that you love and respect each other. If you have that going for you, whether you're straight, gay, polygamous, what have you, you should at least be given the right to at least try to be together and make it work. That's what I found so offensive about Santorum's remarks. That, according to him, people were alllowed to feel a certain way about each other, but not act upon it, even if it was completely consentual and hurting no one.

[sunmountain]

on a different note...

There is no actual mention of a Right to Privacy in the Constitution. It is an understood right by the existence of laws protecting our rights from unalwful search and seizure as well as the Roe vs. Wade decision.

Santorum is an ass. I've followed his shenanagans for years, I'm in PA, too.

[Meiri]

Yes he's quite the hypocrit IMO.

Votes for a low limits on lawsuit settlements, only AFTER his own wife collects quite a bit more than that limit from her own suit.

Is very vocal about representatives living IN their district, then moves his family to a permanent home outside the state after his election....

there's real integrity for you...

Good points all Muslimomma. I hadn't known about Egyptian cinema. I can see where a multi-wife household could indeed make for some very high drama.:LOL

[EnviroBecca]

I am polyamorous, and I would not say it is a choice. Just as with homosexuality, I choose whether or not to ACT ON my feelings, but I can't choose to stop wanting multiple relationships.

The fact that some men in Mormon sects coerce young girls into marrying them does not mean that all polyamorous relationships are victimizing someone, any more than the fact that some priests coerce young boys into sexual activity means that all gay sexual relationships are victimizing someone.

I find Santorum's argument re: priest molestation really bizarre! If society allowing a behavior between consenting adults means that adults are free to coerce any post-pubescent kid into that activity...then I guess it would be okay for a 50-year-old teacher to take Santorum's 13-year-old daughter to the courthouse on the pretext of a school project and then talk her into marrying him, huh?

I think it's interesting that nobody (in the media or here) has remarked on this statement from the interview:
"The more money you take away from families is the less power that family has."
I mean, we all KNOW the Republicans think money=power, but they usually don't state it so flatly! As if it's a given that poor people must be, ought to be, powerless!

[Joyce in the mts.]

Slightly OT...

Let's see, what might we learn from all this political grandstanding about sexuality and limiting urges and passions?

I mean really! Doesn't this stuff make these guys appear to be some of the most sexually repressed people on Earth?

But still I am curious to know what this apparent obsession with sex is about. I can't help but think that there is something to it that would make clear why it is so important to them.

Joyce in the mts.

[sunmountain]

once again, Joyce, you have hit the nail on the head