Convert me.

[deuxceleste]

Really. I mean it. Lay it on thick. Because this is something I know SO SO little about, and I'm due in March with my first.

What's the big deal about vaccinations anyway.

The only thing I've decided on FOR SURE is no K.

Hit me, mamas!

[Gitti]

You better research Hep B with is a disease prostitutes or drug abusers mostly have. So, unless you are Hep B positive, why would a newborn need that vaccine?

It may cause MS - in France there is a 15,000 class action law suit going on. All kids that got MS from that vaccine.

They will inject that into your baby at age : day 1

Why?



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[granolamomma]

With all due respect, seriously: You'll need to read the archive material and suggestions for books. There is a wealth of info here and no one is going to attempt to 'convert' you. But everyone will gladly help you on your journey.

Good luck - congrats on researching what is best for your family!

[deuxceleste]

All I'm asking for is basic information...

What is is about vax that's so bad... the generals of it.

For example- is it the point of injecting baby with substances which are not natural? Is it a risk of something else?

I just don't understand.
I truly do not, DO NOT have the mind to comprehend this right now- it's flooded with episiotomy rates and c-section stats and my birth center just closed so now i'm looking for a homebirth midwife, etc.

As it stands, I'm leaving it up to DP to decide.

[deuxceleste]

Originally Posted by Gitti

You better research Hep B with is a disease prostitutes or drug abusers mostly have. So, unless you are Hep B positive, why would a newborn need that vaccine?

It may cause MS - in France there is a 15,000 class action law suit going on. All kids that got MS from that vaccine.

They will inject that into your baby at age : day 1

Why?



$$$$$$$$$$$$$

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=111440

Wow- so THAT is a specific thing. I'm not Hep B pos- I'll have to look up state laws, but since I'm having a homebirth is this something that a pediatrician usually routinely does in the first few visits?

[Love_Cyber_Cat]

It is very responsible decision you will have to make! There are tonns of info available 2u- online and in books. If you will decide not to vax- you will have to know how to protect your decision- and simple - ladies from mothering converted me- won't cut it!!!! this is not a religion!!!
http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm

[MindfulBirth]

Originally Posted by deuxceleste

As it stands, I'm leaving it up to DP to decide.

Could you please ask your DP to get an account here on MDC?

Congrats on your pregnancy and impending arrival.

Please read through and have your DP read through some of the other threads on this forum. There are about three such "convert me" threads on the first couple pages. Then feel free to ask any specific questions you/your DP might have.

Welcome!

[Fyrestorm]

Your best bet might just be to say no to everything right now then. There is no rush to vaccinate. Give yourself time to research the diseases and the vaccines before you inject them into your baby.

Remember, you can always get them, but you can't take them back out.

[deuxceleste]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm

Your best bet might just be to say no to everything right now then. There is no rush to vaccinate. Give yourself time to research the diseases and the vaccines before you inject them into your baby.

Remember, you can always get them, but you can't take them back out.

THANK you for your response. You make a very good, clear point, and you're absolutely right.

I should just give myself time.

I'm sorry to have bothered you all.

[Love_Cyber_Cat]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm

Your best bet might just be to say no to everything right now then. There is no rush to vaccinate. Give yourself time to research the diseases and the vaccines before you inject them into your baby.

Remember, you can always get them, but you can't take them back out.

My DSIL actually told me- earlier you vaccinate- better babies will respond AND easier it will be on them and you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : People are brainwashed and need lots of proove on this!!!!
Sorry for OT.

[jarynsmom06]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm

Your best bet might just be to say no to everything right now then. There is no rush to vaccinate. Give yourself time to research the diseases and the vaccines before you inject them into your baby.

Remember, you can always get them, but you can't take them back out.

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[newcastlemama]

Originally Posted by deuxceleste

All I'm asking for is basic information...

What is is about vax that's so bad... the generals of it.

1. They are ineffective
2.The ingredients alone should make you consider not vaxing. Here's just the DTaP
http://www.*********/vaccines/ingredients1.html

Acel-Immune
DTaP
Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Acellular Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed
Lederle Laboratories
1-800-934-5556
produced using formaldehyde, thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, polysorbate 80, gelatin

3.I understand that your brain is overloaded with birth info. What about just not vaxing at all until you can research them. You can always put them in but you can't take them out.
4. When you research more you will find out that the illnesses are not that prevalent or scary.

I totally agree with having the dp get an account. What a great idea. You both need to take responsibility because people will question your decsions and you will need to be strong in your convictions when the pressure is on.
Jen

[Roxswood]

Hi Deux, don't worry about asking questions. You're not bothering anyone, they're valid questions and everyone is new here at times. I don't post much, rather sit around reading everything else that everyone else posts and I find it answers my questions eventually.

I remember I couldn't think about vaccinations either when I was pregnant, all I could manage to think about was the labour and researching breastfeeding, and thats all you need to do.
Just check out the newborn hep B vax, the eyedrops and vitamin k and then you can delay all the other vaxes until you've had more time to read up on them.

Basically though, all vaccinations have ingredients in them that have unpredictable effects on children, and may cause long term damage. The simple answer is that NOBODY knows what damage they may cause in the long term because there has never been a large scale study comparing vaxed and unvaxed people throughout their lives. I'm only really beginning my studies into this but the best thing to do is to pick ONE disease to begin with and research that, and then start to look into the vaccination for that disease.

When you have more specific questions once you're at that point there are members here who are incredibly helpful.

Good luck with your homebirth! Mine was the greatest experience of my life

[~member~]

Vaccines cause irreparable damage or death in most human beings.
http://www.childbirthsolutions.com/a...cine/index.php

7 vaccines have NOT been “evaluated or tested ... for impairment of fertility” or “reproductive capacity” according to the vaccine manufacturers’ own product inserts.

Want your kid to grow up sterile or have reproductive problems?

How about cancer?

6 vaccines (polio, hepatitis B, hepatitis A, pertussis, diptheria and tetnus) contain formaldehyde – a highly noxious and carcinogenic preservative.

Or a host of neurological problems ranging from ADD to permanant brain damage? All vaccines contain known neurotoxins.

[deuxceleste]

Absolutely can't believe the sarcasm and negative response I got here. I don't mean to harp, but with all due respect ladies, (those of you who did NOT offer guidance in the right decision), I came here to learn, not to be barked at.

To be pushed away and told to go do my own research has completely turned me off this entirely. In a matter of minutes, I went from excited to be beginning my own research (which CAN simultaneously be done while waiting for replies from the helpful folks at MDC) to completely crushed by some of the responses I got.

Again, I'm sorry to have bothered you all on this board. I'll look elsewhere for information.

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by deuxceleste

What is is about vax that's so bad... the generals of it.

OK. Let me tell you and then you can research it to see that this is correct.

Vaccines contain mercury (you may have heard they have removed it? Well they filter it out and most is out. but even a very wee little bit that remains is highly poisonous. Mercury is the second most poisonous substance on this planet.) Aluminum, formaldehyde, antifreeze, foreign DNA and RNA.
Vaccine viruses are grown on monkey or dog kidney, and in the process can be contaminated with all sort of filth.
Vaccines are a filthy business.
If we want to prevent a disease, why would we inject that disease with all that filth into a healthy human being?
Some vaccines are grown on aborted fetus tissues.

For example- is it the point of injecting baby with substances which are not natural? Is it a risk of something else?

The risk are much greater but it boils down to that it is not natural and those things that are injected with that needle would NEVER enter your child's body otherwise.

I truly do not, DO NOT have the mind to comprehend this right now- it's flooded with episiotomy rates and c-section stats and my birth center just closed so now i'm looking for a homebirth midwife, etc.

Good luck. I got a 3rd grandson 8 mo ago.

As it stands, I'm leaving it up to DP to decide

That would not be fair to dp. If something goes wrong with the vaccine, if the child dies of SIDS, which is most likely from vaccines, that would certainly damage your relationship and haunt you for life. You have to decide for your child.

There is no hurry to vaccinate your child. Vaccines are not emergency medicine, they can be done any time.

When my kids were born they didn't vaccinate till the child is 9 mo. old. And those kids lived, too. Why did they change it to such an early age now? I will tell you why, because if you see that your child does just fine for 9 mo. you start to wonder why they suddenly need vaccinating.

But if they tell you the child can die at age 3 days, you do it right then and there. You have no chance to get to know your child. And you are a new mom and don't have the confidence in your child's survival skills or your self confidence yet. Many more moms vaccinate now since they push it from day one.

Certainly your dp has time to do some reading. Tell him to get a book by Neil Z. Miller. Any one of them. He'll see what is really going on.

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by deuxceleste

I'm sorry to have bothered you all.

What's this all about? I am busy responding and then this? Please don't go.

[deuxceleste]

Originally Posted by Gitti

What's this all about? I am busy responding and then this? Please don't go.

You rock my socks, Gitti

[FrederickMama]

I don't understand why you are offended that no one wants to make your decisions for you....... You need to know what the right choice is for you and your child - not let anyone ( here or anywhere) tell you what to do.

[Gitti]

Hey, I posted a link for you in my first response. Did you have time to read it? What links or questions do you have?

Just give them to me... come on.