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post #161 of 198
Yesterday, I had nutritional yeast, a B-50 suppliment, AND 8oz of liver (cooked in the chicken fat I finally defrosted.) This morning I had some more nutritional yeast.

I'm feeling a lot better today.
post #162 of 198
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post #163 of 198
Thread Starter 
Who has felt a difference with liver? (The real thing in particular, not the tablets.)

I'm interested in testimonials because I am about to pitch an article idea about liver as nature's #1 antidepressant.
post #164 of 198
I'm glad to find this thread, particularly this morning. I've tried the WAPF raw liver drink a couple of times. Last night I had it at about 10pm instead of my usual kefir/berry blend. I went to bed at 11 and was wide awake well after 1 am, with no sleep in sight. I finally dug up some Tylenol PM (which I almost never do). It was actually kind of scary -- something like a stress attack. After reading some of the posts in this thread, I think the liver drink sent me off to hyperland (I didn't make that connection before). Next time I'll try it in the morning, when a little spin-up could be a good thing.
post #165 of 198
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Originally Posted by Gale Force View Post
Who has felt a difference with liver? (The real thing in particular, not the tablets.)

I'm interested in testimonials because I am about to pitch an article idea about liver as nature's #1 antidepressant.


Although I haven't really experienced much depression--I started it because of some unusually difficult anger-management problems. Still, I'd be happy to testify if you'd like!
post #166 of 198
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Originally Posted by dad-o-six View Post
I'm glad to find this thread, particularly this morning. I've tried the WAPF raw liver drink a couple of times. Last night I had it at about 10pm instead of my usual kefir/berry blend. I went to bed at 11 and was wide awake well after 1 am, with no sleep in sight. I finally dug up some Tylenol PM (which I almost never do). It was actually kind of scary -- something like a stress attack. After reading some of the posts in this thread, I think the liver drink sent me off to hyperland (I didn't make that connection before). Next time I'll try it in the morning, when a little spin-up could be a good thing.
Liver, particularly beef liver, is high in a food chemical called amines. I've had insomnia as a result of an amine reaction (due to dark chocolate, another food high in amines). A jittery feeling can also be an amine reaction. Your liver has to detox amines, and everyone has a different tolerance for them. You can either try chicken liver instead (if you used beef before), or take the drink early in the day and it probably won't cause insomnia. Magnesium also helps with amine reactions.
post #167 of 198
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Originally Posted by Gale Force View Post
Who has felt a difference with liver? (The real thing in particular, not the tablets.)

I'm interested in testimonials because I am about to pitch an article idea about liver as nature's #1 antidepressant.
Well, me, but I really really suck at writing testimonials/reviews/etc. I was the one who always balked at and often didn't fill out prof evaluations in university because I just don't like to do that kind of stuff.
What kind of stuff do you want in a testimonial? Someone could write it for me and attach my name to it :

Totally OT - Amanda, I'm about to start training to become a postpartum doula and I'm looking into good information to have in handout form for new mothers - obviously, given my own history, I think information about the nutritional connection to depression is critical info every new mom should have. I was wondering if you've come across any ready-made brochures/short pdf files, etc about nutrition and depression that might be good to hand out? Or if you might even want to make such a sheet (even if I have to purchase it, that would be okay)? Obviously I'll continue the search on my own, but as soon as it struck me to do this, I thought of you as a potential resource (I suppose I should get to work on that liver testimonial, huh? I'll have something for you tonight, just let me know how long/short you'd like it to be)
post #168 of 198
Thread Starter 
Super ladies and dad-o-six.

Don't worry about writing stuff out now, just post here if you're up for it and I'll see how far the pitch goes. More than likely you'd be interviewed.

dad-o-six -- I always try to get the liver in by lunch.:

HerthElde -- it's on my list to do handouts like that and just offer them as free resources from the website. Let's talk about things you'd like to see in it and that will be incentive to get it done. Yesterday and today I've been working on pregnancy/postpartum articles for my site, so we're on the same track.
post #169 of 198
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dad-o-six -- I always try to get the liver in by lunch.:
This is my cut off time as well. I don't know if it's the amines or the B vitamins that do this to me. B vits are known to be energizing too right?
post #170 of 198
Thread Starter 
I don't know if B supplements would do this.

Jane -- you're not eating actual liver are you?
post #171 of 198
Thanks for the timing suggestions. I'll go take a look into amines as well.
post #172 of 198
Liver gives me tons of energy as well- nutritional yeast doesn't seem to pack as much of a punch, though I do use both.

I have no problem taking it too late in the day. Then again, I have a huge problem with an "energy slump" in the afternoon/evening, and sometimes I get insomnia because I'm so lethargic that I don't get my butt off the chair/couch and get myself ready for bed- eating enough, taking my shower, and then I get overtired (because I've been fighting sleep since 5:00 PM) and can't fall asleep, and I feel scummy but it's just too late at night to start a bath or a shower. Eating liver late at night just makes me feel good, and able to relax and get to bed- plus I'll generally wake up energetic the next day.
post #173 of 198
Ruthla, That is the great feeling pot roast gives me! My biggest nutrient issue seems to be iron though. I still need to eat liver!!!
post #174 of 198
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Originally Posted by Gale Force View Post
I don't know if B supplements would do this.

Jane -- you're not eating actual liver are you?
Actually B complex vits used to do that to me too now that I think of it.

And actually I AM eating real grassfed beef liver (grated frozen into shot of kefir), and have been for a long time now!

Whaddya saying, hmmmm? :

Raw liver every day... no... that is why I got Dr. Ron's pills to take everyday. I just got Carlson's raw buffalo liver caps and I'm p.o.'d about them.... apparently they are only 1/2 oz per 6 capsules and Dr. Ron's is 1 whole oz. Which I think is weird b/c they look the same size and everything. And the Carlson's is not really cheaper (I had a coupon for Vitamin Shoppe so that's why I got them). :
post #175 of 198
I still don't get the difference between Brewer's Yeast and Nutritional Yeast. I don't think they're the same. I'm familiar with NY: big yellow flakes that my hfs sells in the bulk section. I found this about BY (my emphasis):

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Brewer's yeast is an active yeast used to make beer and can also be grown specifically to make nutritional supplements. It is a rich source of minerals (particularly chromium), protein, and the B-complex vitamins. Brewer's yeast is bitter in taste and should not be confused with baker's yeast, nutritional yeast, or torula yeast as these forms of yeast are low in chromium. Chromium is an essential trace mineral that helps the body maintain normal blood sugar levels. It occurs naturally in the environment and is an important contributor to human health. Some experts estimate that as many as 90% of Americans don't get enough chromium in their diet.
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupple...rsYeastcs.html

I don't think I've ever tried BY, but my mother is also an Adelle Davis fan, and I got used to eating copious quantities of Nutritional Yeast on rice, oatmeal, popcorn, in OJ, and in banana milkshakes.

The banana-yeast milkshakes are actually really good (or maybe it's an acquired taste). Just take 1 cup of milk, 1 banana, and a tablespoon or two of nutritional yeast and blend it all together in the blender.

So, which is better to take BY or NY?
post #176 of 198
I suggest the NY. I think BY is a much worse-tasting version with a similar nutritional profile that people used to use before NY was readily available in HFS and the like- I'm sure BY is available for home beer-making.
post #177 of 198
I am looking for your favorite Chicken Liver Pate recipes.


Thanks!
post #178 of 198
A late day b-complex vitamin always keeps me awake. All the nutritional yeast in my HFS looked like it was supplemented with chemical vitamins- b12 is what I remembered. Is it all like that? Or did I mis-read the label of the bulk bin? Now they have a new kind of liver and it is more expensive, sigh.
post #179 of 198
They do make the non-supplemented kind, but it's mixed in with the supplemented kind.

Oh, and an update on the "BY vs NY" thing: the canister I have says "brewer's yeast" even though it's the exact same thing as the "nutritional yeast" I bought from another brand- both are grown on molasses from sugar beets, not made with "beer ingredients" which apparently make for a bitter taste.
post #180 of 198
I have had beef liver in my freezer since November. Is it atill okay to eat or should I get a new one?

Thanks,
Jen
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