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post #21 of 44
If your hair smells of ACV after its dry, your using too much ACV in your rinse mix. I use about 2 tsp to one cup of water. I put it in a recycled gatoraide tupe drinking bottle so I can squirt it on, rather then pour with a cup. I started our with the recommended 1 tbsp per cup and it was too much- so I went to 2 tsp instead....
post #22 of 44
wow this is the first time ive ever heard of going shampoo-free...it sounds awesome. i would love to try it but my concern is that my hair tangles severely. im naturally seriously greasy with long fine straight hair but it tangles to bad it almot makes me cry. would going poo-free help that or make it worse? what do you recommend for this problem?
post #23 of 44

shampoo-free, sort of

I guess I split the difference. I don't use products labeled as shampoo. OTOH, water is not the only detergent I use on my head; most of the time I use bar soap because it's sooooo convenient. However, I also have available my own invention -- http://users.bestweb.net/~robgood/lather.html .

OT other OH, none of that counts for your research because I'm a man. ;-) If men had the long hair and women the short, would shampoo have been invented? I'm not sure. Also, being in New York City means there's very little "hardness" in the water to react with soap. Soap here, especially if you use one with lots of coconut content -- such as the cheap import I've been using lately from the UAE called Silk -- makes thicker lather than typical shampoo, even thicker than my invention.

Robert
post #24 of 44
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Originally Posted by darlintxmomma View Post
wow this is the first time ive ever heard of going shampoo-free...it sounds awesome. i would love to try it but my concern is that my hair tangles severely. im naturally seriously greasy with long fine straight hair but it tangles to bad it almot makes me cry. would going poo-free help that or make it worse? what do you recommend for this problem?

My hair snarls so easily it's pitiful and I have found that this is okay. I do brush my hair before showering. And on days when it feels a little dry I use just a teensy tiny bit of jojoba oil on the ends and that makes all the tangles come out easily. I think the no poo may actually help your situation since the tangles could be from product left in your hair.
post #25 of 44
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Originally Posted by darlintxmomma View Post
wow this is the first time ive ever heard of going shampoo-free...it sounds awesome. i would love to try it but my concern is that my hair tangles severely. im naturally seriously greasy with long fine straight hair but it tangles to bad it almot makes me cry. would going poo-free help that or make it worse? what do you recommend for this problem?
I found that the vinegar really helps detangeling the hair, just don't put it on your scalp when you have greasy hair. Also, if your hair tangles too much, I found, that mine is usually broken, split and unhealthy. I had it cut from waistlength to shoulder length and started using the baking soda and vinegar cleansing - my hair is just wonderful, and almost no tangeling. I brush it before I wash it, rub and massage my hair with BS, rinse it, sometimes add a bit of honey, and then just spray it with vinegar or lemon juice, rinse again with water. Done.
post #26 of 44
i know my hair is damaged...i color it religiously (i know...bad bad me ). i am about to have it cut and was thinking about starting after that. i am super greasy at the roots and dry as a bone at the ends. i see that some of you use conditioner with bs the rince with acv....would that be good to start with to help with the dryness? also...and im pretty sure i know the answer, but do any of you still color your hair? and does going no-poo strip the color out?
post #27 of 44
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Originally Posted by darlintxmomma View Post
i know my hair is damaged...i color it religiously (i know...bad bad me ). i am about to have it cut and was thinking about starting after that. i am super greasy at the roots and dry as a bone at the ends. i see that some of you use conditioner with bs the rince with acv....would that be good to start with to help with the dryness? also...and im pretty sure i know the answer, but do any of you still color your hair? and does going no-poo strip the color out?
I work in a salon (and grew up in one), and DO color my hair every 3 months or so. I only do a deposit-only color. No-pooing doesn't mess my color up, fade it out, or anything. My hair has been growing faster since no-pooing, for sure (random 3 inch greys coming out of the woods). I can't get my family to bs/acv, but they all agreed to bar shampoo (going to start making my own soap again, and I loooooove Zum goat's milk soap). Once you start no-pooing, dryness will be HISTORY. I shampoo w/ conditioner every other day or so, and spary lavender water in my hair almost every day.
post #28 of 44
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Originally Posted by Merilin View Post
I had it cut from waistlength to shoulder length and started using the baking soda and vinegar cleansing
How do you do that? Apply one, then the other, and let the mixture fizz on your head? Or alternate washes, one baking soda, the next vinegar? I wouldn't see the point of pre-mixing them.

Robert
post #29 of 44
Finally a MAN in our forum. :

I'm a tomboy at heart and I needed somebody to side with me on stuff

Anyway, you will find detailed instructions on how to no-poo in this thread, and special instructions on how to deal with curly or fine hair:

http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...=1#post5358746


You can do no-poo washing a few different ways:

(NOTE: with starting no poo, you need to prep your hair, as recommended by ME . You'll have better results and I won't have to come here and find somebody whining to me "Spazzzyyyy, no poo didn't work, I QUIT!" You will need a hair trim to get rid of split ends, damage,and overall ratty hair, and shampoo for 1-2 weeks with your regular shampoo and about 1/4-1/2 teaspoon baking soda to clarify your hair of old product, buildup, residue, and silicones from products like Pantene, Garnier, silicone shine gels, etc)


1) Some people do baking soda and water in a squirt bottle or old shampoo bottle and dump all over their scalp and hair. Cleanse. Rinse with plenty of water. Squirt ACV on hair from ears down. Rinse with plenty of water. As you get more advanced with no poo you can tweak the amount of baking soda and ACV and add other good stuff like honey or essential oils.

2) Some people prefer making baking soda into a paste with some water. Rest of the instructions apply.

3) The gentlest baking soda method, but not completely chemical free, is mixing baking soda with lightweight, silicone free conditioner and then cleaning your hair with that. Rinse, use ACV, and use some lightweight OR heavier conditioner on the bottom of your hair as needed. On non-baking soda days or if you want a light cleaning, or to keep your curls together, you can mix the lightweight conditioner with brown sugar (I use light brown sugar). You may or may not need ACV with the sugar method.

4) Shampoo or Natural Soap bar. Shampoo with bar. Rinse. Use ACV to get rid of residue. Use conditioner if needed. Rinse.

5) Apple cider vinegar ONLY cleansing. This works for some people, especially with curly or thin hair. You have to work your way up to this.

6) Conditioner only cleansing. Use lightweight silicone free conditioner. Use a huuuuge glob and firmly scrub hair and scalp with tips of fingers. You will notice some small creamy suds. Great for normal, dry or curly hair. You have to work your way up to this.
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post #31 of 44
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Originally Posted by darlintxmomma View Post
wow this is the first time ive ever heard of going shampoo-free...it sounds awesome. i would love to try it but my concern is that my hair tangles severely. im naturally seriously greasy with long fine straight hair but it tangles to bad it almot makes me cry. would going poo-free help that or make it worse? what do you recommend for this problem?
My 4yr old DD has curly, snarly hair and this works wonders for her hair! There are way less tangles than when we use heavy conditioners.
post #32 of 44
I just found this thread! Im so interested in trying this out. Spastica, I copy & pasted your info & emailed it to myself Can just plain vinegar be used instead of ACV?

Looking forward to no-pooing!
post #33 of 44
Some blondes prefer white vinegar or lemon juice, but ACV smells better than white vinegar and has some good benefits on skin/scalp. Also, ACV is surely made of apples, whereas some white vinegars are made with other products (corn is ok, petroleum is not). Other people have tried other vinegars, like fruit vinegars and balsamic!
post #34 of 44
Oh, and don't forget to look at the Curly Girl forum and the Unshampoo sticky note in this forum. No-poo sounds straight forward enough, but there's an art, science, and a certain patience quality and mental stability that is associated with it
post #35 of 44
I'm a lemon juice user!
post #36 of 44
I tried no-pooing a little over two years ago and stuck with it for about 2 or 3 months. I don't think I had adequate information or education on the matter at that time, though, and that is what ultimately deterred me.

I used a product called Terressentials Fragrance-free Pure Earth Hair Wash and it was a very difficult product for my hair. While I think it would work beautifully for someone with shorter and thinner hair, my hair is quite long and very, very thick.

These days I just shampoo like I used to... what ever is on sale and once every 2-4 days. I would like to re-visit the no-poo lifestyle but have some hesitation. I think I will begin by visiting the excellent resources provided here
post #37 of 44
Shampooing every 2-4 days isn't bad at all, and if that works, great. No poo remedies hair issues for people that use shampoo and they have to use it everyday or even 2x a day. It solves dandruff issues and helps curly hair not frizz so much. The rest of it is for personal reasons, like environmental, chemical, and cost-effectiveness.
post #38 of 44
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Originally Posted by Spastica View Post
Some blondes prefer white vinegar or lemon juice
Oh, you don't have to be blond use lemon juice I like the smell, and I found it might add to some highlights.
post #39 of 44
another question...i started today on weaning out the shampoo by using it with baking soda...then i rinsed with acv and water mix. i seriously thought i would be a huge tangled mess when i got out of the shower because i didnt use conditioner....well it wasnt. my hair is extremely soft. i used a little bit of lavender water spray to tame it a bit too. now my question...i see that you can use conditioner and bs to cleanse...so im assuming its safe to continue using conditioner? do i NEED to keep using it while im still weaning out the shampoo, or do i need to wait a while before i begin using it again? or do i not need it at all ever again? do i need to use the conditioner WITH the acv or use the acv in place of it? im not quite understanding the whole beginning steps i guess...

after seeing my hair today, my mom wants to do this too...WOOOHOOO my first convert!

eta...what brand of conditioner is recommended if i were to use it?
post #40 of 44
The conditioner works well for people with thick hair, coarse hair, fragile/dry, or curly hair. Some people can do okay with baking soda and ACV only if they have normal or straight hair, or basically hair that doesn't require much moisture. Some people like baking soda and conditioner because it's easier to work with in hair than just baking soda and water.

If you want to know what conditioners to use, check this forum out:

http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...=1#post5358746

The ones that are good don't have non-soluble silicones in it, i.e. silicones that don't come out unless you shampoo with a detergent shampoo. Water-rinseable silicones are okay, so long as you know which ones they are. There are links in the thread I gave you to list which '-cones' are okay and which aren't.

As for if you need conditioner or not, your hair will tell you. The only thing I recommend is that if you have a conditioner like Garnier or Pantene, you need to toss it and get another conditioner while you're weaning off shampoo or else you're just putting back in all the silicones you're trying to get out with the shampoo and baking soda combo.
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