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post #21 of 86
Just wanted to add that my 3 1/2 year old is intact, I have never retracted his foreskin and don't wipe at all for him, just direct him to shake and we've never had a UTI.
I recently read "Doctor's Opposing Circumsion" and there is a study that disproves the correlation between foreskin and UTI's.
Bottom line a couple of UTI's is no reason to cut your son's normal and natural penis.
Don't let them do it.
I highly recommend picking up the book, "Doctor's Opposing Circumsion" or visit their site.
Great information for mothers of intact sons!
post #22 of 86
Yes, good idea to not use bubble baths, and not give the child lots of refined sugar foods. This is what they tell girls, not cut off their body parts.

I heard somewhere that epsom salt baths can help, I dont know if this would help.
post #23 of 86
Maybe you could ask your doc what she would be recommending if a circumcised boy had the same history of UTI's? My friend's circumcised boy had a UTI and a culture and renal ultrasound was ordered. Found out he has a urethral problem.

Let your son drip dry, stop retracting and see what happens.
post #24 of 86
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Originally Posted by SammyJr View Post

Ask your doctor what body part she would amputate if your DS was a DD.



Girls can have recurrent uti infections sometimes too, and whatever the standard of treatment for them should also be the same for an intact boy. You should ask her about that.
post #25 of 86
Thread Starter 
Wow. I don't have time to respond to each reply, but there are some pretty powerful replies. I thank you all again. I knew not to force an infant to retract, but I really had no clue about not retracting an older child. I didn't even mention the fact that I've been applying neosporin there per doctor's orders. : I can't believe my friggin ignorance.
post #26 of 86
For sure no neosporin either! You should actually be able to find lots of threads about it here if you do a search. Doctors seem to think neosporin & penises go together for some odd reason.

No worries, mama. You are learning and researching! At least you didn't listen to the doc and THEN learn everything here.
post #27 of 86
Please don't even consider circumcision. That doctor was so misinformed, it's not even funny. I remember reading a thread where a man had recurrent infections, his doctor suggested a circumcision, he complied, thinking it was necessary and the infection continued yet the sensation slowly went away.

I think everyone else before me covered a multitude of ways to treat UTI and why not to have a circ.

Be strong, Mama! And find another doctor!!!!!! (preferably an intact male???)
post #28 of 86
Does the doctor also believe that real vagina is under clitoris and outer labia - uh just imagine what get stuck inside women's 'folds' - what a horrible doctor.

Other people have given you good advice, I just wanted to say one more time - stop retracting and whiping!!!!
post #29 of 86
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Originally Posted by Mommay View Post
I have a mom friend who used to get lots of uti's. She had her urethra enlarged and it completely stopped. I know that's off-topic, but maybe there's a structural issue with ds.
Ugg. Urethral dialation . I had this done TWICE as a young child. at age 4 and again at age 6. It was very very painful and I still had chronic UTIs... until I went vegan at age 19. I have done some research and found that my UTIs and prolonged bedwetting (not to mention my chronic tonsilitis) were most likely due to an ongoing dairy allergy throughout my childhood: .

I'm so glad no one ever tried to cut bits off of me!

Before they even start to explore invasive procedures, I would do some elimination diet stuff and see if it may be an undiagnosed allergy.
post #30 of 86
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Originally Posted by SammyJr View Post
Ask your doctor what body part she would amputate if your DS was a DD.
I agree!

My son is almost 7 and has NEVER been retracted. I tell him to pull it back as far as it will go in the bathtub, but it doesn't retract even 1/2 way. My dh didn't retract until 8.

and wiping it? I don't think that's ever necessary, don't guys just shake it?

I had one ped. say that my son was abnormal at his 1 year appt. because it didnt' retract. She was headed for that "we need to circ." speech, so I changed peds, and suprisingly, he's been "normal" ever since.
Best to you.
Lisa
post #31 of 86
Here's what I'd do. Keep up with the pro-biotics.

Stop using soaps in the bath, use baking soda. This works really well, baking soda cleans EVERYTHING and causes little to no irritation.

Stop with the neosporin and the retraction.

Get a new doctor and talk to either DOC or Dave2GA (I think thats his name on the board) about getting a letter sent to your doctor because if she's doing this to your son who else's could she be hurting?

If HE wants to retract let him, but no need for you to do it. Like someone else said, you're doing the male equivilent of wiping back to front. And it's not your fault, because you have an idiot doctor telling you it's a-okay, but yeah.

I think once you make a few changes you'll notice his UTIs clearing right up.
post #32 of 86
Mommay-
Let me share a story about my best friend and her five year old newly circumsised son. He got four UTI's in his life. Two of them were when he was a toddler, the other two were two months apart when he was five. The doctor suggested that she circ him. She didn't want to, but hated that he kept getting infections. So, she went along with it. So, they circ'ed him, and while he was healing from the circ he got another UTI (Can you imagine how painful that was?), they cleared it up, and three months later he got another one. Now just yesterday she calls me and tells me he HAS ANOTHER UTI!!! Now, circ'ing did nothing for his UTI's. In fact, I think it has made them worse. A lot worse!! Don't get him circ'ed you will regret it if he still continues to get UTI's.
post #33 of 86
It might be helpful if you know more about the actual structure of the foreskin so when anyone including doctors try to tell you something so patently false you will know right away. Here is a great video about what the foreskin actually is and how it works:

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vi...622b528.774135

Also, I have two sons and their penis's are maintenance free. I have never done anything but wash the outside when they were in diapers. Lots of kids get UTI's and they are miserable but it has nothing to do with the foreskin. I had many many infections as a child. There are definitely herbal, homeopathic, nutritional changes you can make to help him stay healthy that would be much more effective than removing that part of the penis that is supposed to protect it from infection.

Glad you got so much info!

Laura
post #34 of 86
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Originally Posted by Mommay View Post
Also, I do understand about not cutting just because of uti, but I'm not sure that I can stand to watch him suffer over and over again.

I guarantee circing him will NOT prevent any UTIs, so in addition to seeing him suffer from the UTI you'd also see him suffer from the circumcision.
post #35 of 86
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Originally Posted by Daisie125 View Post
Everyone gets UTIs, it's a fact of life. They suck, you take meds, you move on. If your DD was having UTI's would you be poking & prodding her vulva to get it clean enough? Nope.
That statement is just not true! I'm 31 and have never had a UTI. I don't think you should be treating this like it's just a fact of life. There is a problem and even if circumcision isn't the answer, saying it just happens is unfair to this mother and child.
post #36 of 86
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No worries, mama. You are learning and researching! At least you didn't listen to the doc and THEN learn everything here.

ITA! Good for you for going with your gut and checking out the doc's story before consenting to anything!
post #37 of 86
You've had lots of helpful replies. The only other thing I would mention (and forgive me if it was and I missed it) is that you might consider getting him on a regular course of probiotics to help balance the bacteria in his body.

You can find a lot of information on probiotics in the Health and Healing forum here.
post #38 of 86
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Originally Posted by Mommay View Post
Wow. I don't have time to respond to each reply, but there are some pretty powerful replies. I thank you all again. I knew not to force an infant to retract, but I really had no clue about not retracting an older child. I didn't even mention the fact that I've been applying neosporin there per doctor's orders. : I can't believe my friggin ignorance.
Don't feel so bad, there is a whole lot of ignorance about the intact penis. The intact penis is such an easy care thing...there's nothing special too it. Just wipe the outside of it at baths like you're cleaning a finger...no retraction needed. The child himself should be the first one to retract it, and when he does that on his own he can just rinse it on warm water for a few seconds. I think people have given you good information here.

I've heard the analogy of retracting and cleaning out a little boy's foreskin is like scrubbing out a girl's vagina...it is not only unnecessary, but is harmful and can lead to infections. It is "self cleaning" just like the vagina.

Doctors opposing circumcision could also give you a referral to a foreskin friendly doctor if you do want to see a specialist. It's scarry that your doctor now considers the "real penis" what's under the foreskin. Sounds like she is culturally biased and doesn't understand the anatomy of the natural penis and the function of it during intercourse. The foreskin contains more than half of the nerves on the penis. I haven't met any intact men yet who are willing to having it taken off voluntarily and they would laugh if someone told them it wasn't part of their penis : .

Anyhow, good luck to you. Sounds like you've got some great information already .
post #39 of 86
Sorry, I have not read all the posts - but just wanted to quickly reply - My son had a UTI at 3 years old too. His didn't reoccur - but it is possible that your son is going through a growth spurt and the uretha is a little small and needs to catch up..not everything in the body develops at the same rate all of the time - his bladder may have a little too much volume for the uretha and is causing a bit of backwash - the foreskin shouldn't be any part of this problem. I can't remember the technical term - but I found info regarding this condition on line at the time - it almost always works itself out. and my son's foreskin didn't retract until he was 8. Please keep on eye on it - but give him a few months and see if his body adjusts. Believe me, when my son had the UTI - the doctors went INSANE - they wanted to run all kind of tests - said his foreskin was too tight - totally tried to freak me out. get a second opinion - or at least someone who is willing wait for 6 months or so and see how it develops. bacteria on the penis, under the foreskin, should not be making its way through the uretha curve in males - this is not a foreskin problem. still, I wouldn't let him sit in bubble baths and I'd leave the penis completely alone! Again, sorry if this is a repeat, but I remember the doctors really freaking me out over this and it did resolve itself. best wishes!
post #40 of 86
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Originally Posted by hikingmommy View Post
That statement is just not true! I'm 31 and have never had a UTI. I don't think you should be treating this like it's just a fact of life. There is a problem and even if circumcision isn't the answer, saying it just happens is unfair to this mother and child.
You know, I"m not sure what your intentions in this forum are. You should look at the title here. It's called "The Case Against Circumcision". The content of both your posts indicates either one of 2 things. Either (a) you are not totally and completely educated about circumcision, including how common it is for doctors to reccommend it for something simple, or (b) you're trying to stir up trouble.

I"m going to assume the best, and that you simply don't know much about circumcision, especially since you may not have had to deal with an intact penis, and are not familiar with all the wrong advice and false crap that doctors spew out regarding the foreskin. If that is the case, perhaps instead of popping in to give advice that is wrong, you could sit back, watch, listen, and learn before you start giving out incorrect uneducated advice.

And when the PP said that uti's are a part of life, I doubt seriously she meant for everyone. YOu are still young, and it's not totally impossible for you to have one before it's all said and done before you reach your old age. What she meant when she said that was that both men and women get UTI infections, and just like most other infections just need to be treated with meds, instead of having parts immediately amputated. IF you read the rest of the posts, you will see that several people mentioned ones they know, who had uti infections, and were circumcised, and the uti's never stopped.

I just simply don't see how saying "it just happens" is unfair to mother and child. They do just happen sometimes, sometimes moreso considering the bad advice from the doctor this mother was following. NO one is saying for her to sit back and let her son suffer.

I think that if the PP meant, when she said "it just happens" was that it happens sometimes, and it has nothing to do with the foreskin. So cutting it off is not going to help.
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