What are you refusing? - Page 2

[niki_73]

Originally Posted by Zaxmama

could someone point me to a link to find out whats CPS reportable in FLorida?? I would like to refuse everything... but I am having a csection and someone else is having vit k due to that.. may I ask why? not judging I am just curious...I want to be fully educated so I can battle any arguments.

My Ds had the oral vitamin k because he had a very traumatic birth, he was severely black and blue on his head, face and shoulders when he was delivered by emergency c/s, he was a posterior baby and i had PROM and was given pitocin which eventually was causing heart decels. Without Vit K your body doesn't clot, so the bruising could have caused him to bleed to death. We are going to give it to dd because she is transverse and my midwives said it is a more likely she will have bruising from being pulled out by c/s. The injectable one is said to increase the chance of leukemia by 80% but the oral is not, also i don't want to cause pain to my dd by injecting.

[haydensmom1]

www.cure-guide.com is an excellent resource for these topics.

[anj119]

I want to refuse the eye goop the vit k and the hep b too.
I asked my CNM how she felt about me doing that.
She told me 'Its just not worth it to try to refuse them.'
She explained that if i did try to refuse the eye goop or the vit k that the ped at the hosp would then call CPS and CPS would become involved.
She recommended that i take the corner of my gown and wipe the goop out of babes eyes.

sad.


-anj119

sorry spell checker is on fritz

[earthie_mama]

Wow! I'm glad its not like in Minnesota, with my first we refused the erthrymyocin sp? but he did have the vit K (I didn't know any better at the time) CPS was NEVER called, all I had to do was sign a form

[anj119]

I was surprised by what my MW told me, too. From my reading here at MDC, I had expected to meet some amount of resistance from hosp staff over refusal of the eye goop or vit k, but calling in CPS? I had never heard of such a thing! Boy, am i glad i asked my MW and boy am i even more glad that she was honest with me about what would happen.

At first, i thought... well, if they wanna call CPS, so what? let em. So CPS comes down to the hosp and i just explain to them that i am waiving the eye goop and vit k and i answer their questions and they go away. I was thinking... well, it sucks but i can handle it.

after reading these posts I've linked to below, i am either going home-birth or i am keeping my mouth shut at the hosp. period. they'll get no arguments from me if i should find myself there, and my babe there. the choice between babe leaving the hosp with her momma, or with the eye goop and vit k seems pretty clear cut to me.

i recommend that anyone considering refusing or waiving procedures that are standard practices of the hospital they birth at or are mandated by state law, should ask their doc or MW how thats gonna go over. It seems that some places are quite relaxed about it and other places..... well, to say that they are not relaxed is putting it very mildly. One would be in a far better position to defend oneself and ones babe by having the information before hand, to be sure.

Eye prophylaxis-our story

MI mamas faced with Eye prophylaxis or you child taken by CPS

I would not have batted an eyelash before i read these threads. Now that i have, i have blinked away more than a couple tears.

-anj119

[earthie_mama]

Absolutely sickening......

[skueppers]

Originally Posted by GoodMomma

Things have just become so routine and it isn't needed every single time.

Oh, I completely agree that some of these things aren't actually necessary for my kids. I'm just not bothered by them, and see no reason to make a fuss about something that I view as unnecessary but not harmful.

In the case of the Hep B shot, I think it's kind of silly that it's given to newborn babies when the mother isn't infected, but it's something I would choose for my child eventually anyway, so I don't have a problem with it being administered shortly after birth. I'm not concerned about possible negative effects -- while I realize that they do occur, they are also very rare.

As for the vitamin K shot, I'm not aware of any reliable reports of widespread negative side effects, whereas there do appear to be significant risks associated with insufficient vitamin K in newborns.

Regarding the antibiotic eye ointment, while I agree that systemic antibiotics should be avoided when they are not absolutely necessary (In the last two years, I have refused them for mastitis three times, and an ear infection in my child, preferring a wait-and-see approach), I feel that topical application doesn't present the same hazards.

I think in some ways, you could say I'm just not a "rock the boat" kind of person. When I see neither a significant harm nor a significant benefit in something that's part of the "standard procedure," I'm more likely to go along with it than not.

I've had a lot of unnecessary tests during this pregnancy -- an HIV test, two siphylis tests, a 32-week ultrasound, etc. -- and I tend to figure if it makes my doctor happy to follow the "standard procedure" on these things, it's fine with me. I'd rather spend my time and energy refusing things I really do feel strongly about, such as continuous fetal monitoring and routine IVs during labor.

[tannersmommy]

If we get to have our home VBAC, none of it will be an issue. But if we end up in the hospital, we say NO to:
Circumcision
Vitamin K
Hep. B
Eye ointment
Bottles, pacifiers, and anything other than breastmilk

We would probably refuse the bath, too, but that wasn't on my original list.

Hopefully (hopefully, hopefully, hopefully), we won't have to refuse hospital procedures, because we won't be there.

[earthie_mama]

Originally Posted by skueppers

and I tend to figure if it makes my doctor happy to follow the "standard procedure" on these things, it's fine with me. I'd rather spend my time and energy refusing things I really do feel strongly about, such as continuous fetal monitoring and routine IVs during labor.

Your doctor is very lucky to have you instead of me lol

I refuse EVERYTHING that I don't think necessary. But it would make me very nervous and uncomfortable to have those things happen.

[janerose]

Originally Posted by GoodMomma

Oh great! I live in NY and had no idea it was going to be such a hassle to refuse these things. It's ridiculous! I'm going to talk to my OB about it at my next appt. Where in NY are you?

I'm in NE NY in Plattsburgh. From what my midwives said it really depends on where you live for how much hassel you get. Like, down closer to the city it's a much bigger deal due to all the "public health" issues down there.

Our ped has no problem with us not vaxing & so I really can't see him caring about the vit k & eye goo. But we are bringing the oral vit K to cover our butts. At least then it looks like we're not TOTALLY insane if CPS was to get involved. Also, we would give the eye goo is CPS came in & was basically like, "Give it or we'll take them & do it for you." but otherwise no eye goo. Our midwives don't anticipate either scenario happening though. Like I said, they've had people waive in the past & never any problems.

Also, we're thinking that having the religious exemption paperwork made up for the vaxes will help cover all our other bases as well. People tend to get pretty nervous about stuff when you've got an offical piece of paper stating that something is covered under your religious rights you know?

Holly

[mommy2boys]

I had no idea it could be such a hassel. If its going to cause a problem I will relent but I can't believe they can bully moms like that.

[earcher]

They bully moms b/c they know they will relent. It's a catch 22

[cjarvis]

I too want to refuse the eye goop and Hep B. I haven't talked to either my ped. or my OB. We have always gone with the flow on our 1st two children and I really wished I knew this information that I know now.

How do I find out if the eye goop is law in my state (Texas)? How do you type up or tell the staff that you don't want these procedures?

thanks,
Crystal

[janerose]

Originally Posted by cjarvis

I too want to refuse the eye goop and Hep B. I haven't talked to either my ped. or my OB. We have always gone with the flow on our 1st two children and I really wished I knew this information that I know now.

How do I find out if the eye goop is law in my state (Texas)? How do you type up or tell the staff that you don't want these procedures?

thanks,
Crystal

Try posting over in the Texas forum at Finding Your Tribe!

[Electra375]

What am I refusing? EVERYTHING! Including the hospital!!!

Well, it's easy b/c I birth at home with a lay mw who is not licensed by the state nor required to answer to the state.

BUT I did talk to our wonderful pedi a few weeks ago and that is over in the vax forum. They will refuse care to my children if I come in prior to 2wks old with out VIT K and prior to 6mo old without the NewBorn Screening Test and anytime after that without adequate records from another provider.

I'm looking into private sector nb screening, I don't want the state in my affairs or my child in a registry database. http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=559306

[Shazer]

I'm refusing everything, too. I'm having a homebirth and can't stomach the idea of hospitals doing such horrid things to babies such as shots right after birth and putting nasty gunk into babies' eyes. As a newborn, my eyes reacted severely to the gunk and my face swelled. My daughter will not go through that. About the only thing I'll do is get the PKU screening done by a private company because I don't want the state to have records on my child.