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Son will be going to 4 year check up

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I was hoping to know what vaccinations he would be "asked" to get.
Also, he has had most vaccinations up until now but delayed.
But, I have not done the chicken poxs and wont be.
Any input or information on anything would be awesome.
Thank you!
post #2 of 23
I would think the doc would recommend: dtp, ipv, mmr. I am going by what would be "needed" per the school system in my state to start kindergarten. For example the kindergartner needs 5 dpt's(unless the 4th was given after the 4th b-day)4 IPV's(unless the 3rd was given after 4th b-day) 3 hep. b, one chicken pox and 2 mmr. So many more then when I was a kid!! : Hope that helps!
post #3 of 23
Hepatitis A too.
post #4 of 23
Anything the doctor recommends I would suggest that you write it down and come back here and we can all research it together.

If I were you I would simply ask for the vaccine names, manufacturer, and tell him this way you can find out for yourself whether you want it or not.

You are the consumer, certainly you can buy or not buy the product.

Should he say something about school, blah, blah... cut him short and tell him, that is why you need the name so you can get informed. That is all.

Make it short and to the point.
post #5 of 23
Here's the CDC vax scheduler so you can figure out in advance what your doc will probably be suggesting...
http://www2a.cdc.gov/nip/kidstuff/newscheduler_le/
post #6 of 23
Thread Starter 
What vaccines would you delay or not get out of the ones that may be needed per the scheduler:

dtp, ipv, mmr.

He is not going to school, we homeschool.
He wont be getting the chickenpox vaccine for sure.

Thank you!
post #7 of 23
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Originally Posted by doriansmummy View Post
What vaccines would you delay or not get out of the ones that may be needed per the scheduler:

dtp, ipv, mmr.
Well I wouldn't get any of them.

What are you reasons for wanting to delay/avoid vaccines? Knowing that may help us to give you an answer better suited to you.
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by TechnoGranola View Post
What are you reasons for wanting to delay/avoid vaccines? Knowing that may help us to give you an answer better suited to you.



This is about which diseases are a concern to you and why.

Which diseases concern you the most and why do they concern you? Then we can work from that point.

FTR, the vaccines given at this age are boosters. How many doses have you had for each vax so far?
post #9 of 23
I don't know whether you were talking to me or not, but I would delay every vaccine indefinitely. We do not vaccinate at all and my grandchildren go to a regular public school.

I only had two vaccines in all my life. (I am 60). My mother had no vaccines (85) and lived through wars - in Europe. My grandparents were never vaccinated on either side....

Why should this generation suddenly need vaccines to survive? Because there is money to be made.

The diseases are not anything to worry about. Look what a fiasco they are making out of a simple flu virus. I had most of the childhood diseases and that was when we had very little food in the country. It was nothing. It was considered a right of passage in my generation. We were proud of having them. We boasted about it... and we all survived.

Kids in Africa die of those diseases because they are starving already....

If you are interested, start to research the archives about the vaccines you have mentioned.
post #10 of 23
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dtp, ipv, mmr.
I had to come back one more time before I head out for a walk.

So, just real quickly:

The dtp is the most reactive vaccine. It is the one most likely to cause a reaction.

Ipv - can shed that polio virus in the stool for a few days/weeks after being injected into the child.

mmr - is the one that pushes many kids over the edge and is very likely to cause measles colonization in the guts - leaky guts, crohn's disease, autism...

more later... grandson and two other kids want me to take them to the park... got to go... they've got the light sabers ready....
post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by doriansmummy View Post
What vaccines would you delay or not get out of the ones that may be needed per the scheduler:

dtp, ipv, mmr.

He is not going to school, we homeschool.
He wont be getting the chickenpox vaccine for sure.

Thank you!
My ds 2.5yrs is vaxed to 12mo (delayed). DD 5mo is completely vax free .

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For an even handed treatment of the issue I recommend "Vaccinations, A Thoughfull Parents Guide" by Aviva Romm, and "Naturally Healthy Babies and Children: A Commonsense Guide to Herbal Remedies, Nutrition, and Health" by Aviva Romm for keeping your dc healthy and treating "VPDs". Another resource is the Vaccinations board at the motheringforum (google it).

Manufacter's Inserts:
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm

VAERS
You can search the VAERS database for reactions to recommended vaccinations.
http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.html

CDC Pink Book:
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/..._pink_full.htm

CDC Ingredients list:
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/...nt-table-2.pdf

Another Ingredients list:
http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

Vaccines are Not Mercury-Free:
http://www.acnem.org/journal/23-2_se...nd_mercury.htm

To find out what exemptions are offered by your state (for school and such) check here:
http://www.909shot.com/state-site/state-exemptions.htm
All states except West Virginia and Mississippi offer religious and/or philosophical exemptions, and the supreme court ruled that you do not have to belong to a non-vaxing religion or have clergy sign your religious exemption.

Some basic questions to ask yourself...

What is the disease?
If my child gets it, what are possible complications?
How likely and how severe are those complications?
What should I do to prevent those complications or to properly support my child through the disease?
What is in the vaccine?
How likely and how severe are the various complications?
Can I treat those complications? If so, how?

Start making a list or packet of articles for each disease and vaccine. This then turns into a super in dept pro/con list. And it takes a lot of fear out of the equation. Use all sorts of sites and books to get your info. Identify the bias and then take that into account. You'll be surprised at how much info you can find from the CDC that (as long as you look at the info and not the conclusions) lean toward not vaxing!

We do not vaccinate and I would go through any amount of hassle, and if I did not have a philo exemption I would lie out my arse, to protect my child from what I have found to be harmful.

Also, you do not have to go to a ped, your child can see a FP or even a chiropractor.
http://www.chiropracticresearch.org/...oeduaction.htm
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by Gitti View Post
Ipv - can shed that polio virus in the stool for a few days/weeks after being injected into the child.
Just an FYI, IPV is a "dead" virus and doesn't shed. OPV is the one that sheds.
post #13 of 23
Thread Starter 
Just got off the phone with the nurse there and they want to give him:

HEP A (he has never had this shot)
And the following which he has had:

MMR
DTAP
Polio

They want to give the CP vaccine but I have already decided not to.
I dont know why I want to delay, I just feel like I should.
What do I do if I want to delay all of the above?
Should he have them since he already has had them?
What is the HEP A all about? she said its new and they "advise" him to get it?
We live in Oregon if that matters.

Thank you again!
post #14 of 23
I would cancel the appointment. A healthy child does not need to go to the doctor and be injected with disease.

Do you know what all is in vaccines? And how they are made?
post #15 of 23
Hep A is the new 'recommended for all breathing humans' by the CDC. what is it? A mild virus - so mild in fact that 70% of the children who contract it don't even know they have it. It leaves no chronic problems (like Hep B and Hep C have the potential to) and once someone gets Hep A - they acquire life long immunity. If your child does get it and has symptoms - they are usually no worse than a mild cold - though in adults it can be more severe and cause mild flu like symptoms. why are they recommending it? because they have it. period. not a public health threat by any stretch of the imagination, but its pending the 'mandatory' vax for public school attendance (in my state anyway). how they can override my constitutional right to informed consent for a disease that poses absolutely no public health threat simply baffles me. :
post #16 of 23
Thread Starter 
I would like to get him seen as he has been stuttering for about 5 months now and I want to make sure he does not need any speech therepy for it.
But, I need to do some research and see what these vaccines are all about and I think I will delay if I do end up getting him any.

Any more input or info would be great!
post #17 of 23
I'm really surprised that the CDC hasn't done their normal fear-mongering thingie with Hep A yet.

Here's their Hep A fact sheet.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/h...Fs/hepa_01.pdf

Apparently "Anyone can catch Hep A" is the scariest thing they could think of to say about it.
post #18 of 23
I don't know much about stuttering but I have read that it could be a delayed vaccine reaction.

The book A Shot In The Dark by Dr. H. Coulter mentions it.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, please.
post #19 of 23
Thread Starter 
Does anyone know if when I go to his 4 year check if I want to delay them if I can wait for those vaxs until he is 5? Or, if I do decide on vaxing him for any of the ones he already had if they will be effective?

There is just too much info that I want to look to decide by then.

Also, is there any such website that staes illness/death from the vaxs VS illness/death from the disease being vaxed for?

Example:

Polio- how many death per year from vax and how many from the illness.
post #20 of 23
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Does anyone know if when I go to his 4 year check if I want to delay them if I can wait for those vaxs until he is 5? Or, if I do decide on vaxing him for any of the ones he already had if they will be effective?
You don't HAVE to do anything. Not getting further vaccinations does not make previous vaccines received ineffective. I guess I'm wondering, if you are homeschooling, why you feel it so necessary to do any of these, unless you are afraid of your child getting one of these illnesses.

And in regards to what is "required", it's usually only a measles booster that is required, not mumps and rubella. Your child is considered "up to date" on the other two. Of course, they only want to give you the combo. If you are concerned about measles, you can always ask for a titre test.

In regards to death by disease vs. death by vaccination, you'll never see such data. First of all, it's estimated that only 10% of adverse reactions to vaccines are even reported. Secondly, it's nearly impossible to get VAERS or a doctor to acknowledge that a vaccine is responsible for a child's death. Thirdly, these vaccines can cause many problems that are just about as concerning as death.

As far as polio goes, there hasn't even been a natural case of polio in the U.S. since the 70's and it's been erradicated in the Northern Hemisphere since the 80's, as I recall. Rubella is just about considered erradicated in the U.S. Imo, you really need to read about these illnesses so that you are not in such fear of them. Then you really need to read about these vaccines and realize why you should fear them.

We are given the impression we are done with vaxes, for the most part, once they pass infancy. The truth is, there is being more and more added to the list everyday.
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