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post #1 of 16
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Hello. I wanted to ask all you mama's about my ds's preschool. We have tried 2 so far, and he is not getting along well in either. The one he keeps asking to go to is one we toured, but rejected as too structured. Their circle time is 45 minutes long, with sitting still interspersed with things like "the Hokey Pokey" to "get the wiggles out", but still seems too long to me. Then they go straight to 3 stations, 20 minutes each, where one is handwriting practice, one is a craft, and one is play. They are made to sit at the table until the buzzer goes off and its time to move to the next station, about 15 minutes at each- again, doesn't seem right to me. Then they have snack, story time, and outside play, if there is time.
Doesn't seem like kid heaven, does it?
Oh, and there are breakable decorations both in the lobby and the classroom, and the kids are simply told, when they try to touch it, that we "look with our eyes, not with our hands".
Like I said, I rejected this, but, when we had trouble at other schools, and ds still asked to go back to this school, we toured it again, and I noticed that ds responds really well to this teacher. He actually does what she says, without argument- something he doesn't even do for me. She seems strict, but not mean, yk? She insists on rules, but not in a bad way. When ds yelled about something he did not want to do, she did not punish/threaten, etc. She simply covered his hands with hers, looked at him, and insisited until he stopped yelling.
Is this good? I would normally not even think about it, because it just seems like he would be constantly frustrated there, but he seems to really want this school.
WWYD?
TIA,
Brandi
post #2 of 16
I agree that it doesn't sound like a great environment for most kids. Does he really like structure? For a child who loves order and structure it could be wonderful.
post #3 of 16
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I'm really not sure if he likes structure all that much. I know that he likes to do his own thing, and when he is pulled away from what he is doing, he gets upset. Transitions usually pose a problem for him. And he gets bored really easily when things do not interest him, which was why I initially said no way about this preschool in particular- I thought that when they required him to stay in one place so long, he would have trouble. But one of the schools I tried let him play, though they made sure he knew that he was supposed to be elsewhere, and he just came out withthe attitude of "I'm bad". : Maybe this teacher's way of simply insisting that he be doing what he is "supposed to do" instead of letting him do whatever he wants and telling him he's bad for not wanting to do his work is more what he needs?
I'm more in the court of "kids learn better when playing", but I'm having a difficult time finding a play-based preschool around here. I found one, in a home, but it is a very small space, with only 2 boys, and all the kids much smaller than ds. When we went to see it, he ran all over them, and I do not want that.
post #4 of 16
wow, that's tough. I agree that it doesn't sound like a good fit for him. I like play-based preschools too, but they seem to be getting harder to find!

It's got to be better for them to just have him sit down and work, than to let him run around and try to guilt him into working! That's nuts.
post #5 of 16
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Yeah, that was the first preschool. The second one we tried was great in that it had much more time for play, but then ds started telling us that his teachers were bad. After weeks of prodding, he finally told us that his teachers, when it was time to come in from outside, would "push-hit" him in the chest, and tell him that they were going to "break" him. : THen, when he cried, they apparently told him "don't tell your mom". : :
I'm about ready to give up on the whole preschool thing altogether. But then I'm worried that we'll just be going through the same thing in Kindergarten. :
post #6 of 16
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Originally Posted by blsilva View Post
Yeah, that was the first preschool. The second one we tried was great in that it had much more time for play, but then ds started telling us that his teachers were bad. After weeks of prodding, he finally told us that his teachers, when it was time to come in from outside, would "push-hit" him in the chest, and tell him that they were going to "break" him. : THen, when he cried, they apparently told him "don't tell your mom". : :
I'm about ready to give up on the whole preschool thing altogether. But then I'm worried that we'll just be going through the same thing in Kindergarten. :

Yuck - it sounds like they didn't have clear rules and expectations. I, for one, would let my son go to the more structured school. It's more about personality, both the teachers and the students. I think the teacher at the stricter school sounds firm, but warm and loving. I've got no problems with a teacher who has that kind of style - I prefer it actually. The kids always know what to expect from her and it is easier to behave and learn in that kind of environment.

And, my first thought was that the transitions and schedule sound strict, but what about the actual crafts and work? Are the kids given more freedom to express themselves there? And, as far as circle time, I do agree that 45 minutes seems long, but if it is an active, fun 45 minutes, it won't seem long to the kids. And, it sounds like it might be that kind of circle time with the built in activity time to get up and 'get the wiggles out'. At least they are not sitting the whole time.

I think it is really a personal decision. I like a preschool that is more about getting used to the routines and rythyms of kindergarten rather than a big, loosely structured playdate.
post #7 of 16
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I'm starting to feel that his personality may need a firmer, more structured environment,too. He is so strong willed, and he tends to push his boundaries as far as he possibly can. If he can run all over someone, he will. But it does not really make him happy or secure, kwim? He seems to get along best with those (adults and kids) who do not allow him to run the show, so to speak.
I've been reading a lot, and I thought he needed something looser, but that doesn't seem to be working.
This teacher definitely seems to be firm, but likes the kids, and they like her. They are not litle drones or anything- these are pretty social kids- engaging both myself and my son, as well as the teachers, easily.
The work in the school seems to alternate between the 3 stations. One is play- they open one section of the room for the kids to play. Another is a craft. They have some freedom of expression within the boundaries of the craft. For example, today they were making ti-pis (sp?). They were given a piece of white paper, allowed to draw whatever they wanted on it, and then it was folded up to make a tent-like structure. The third station is for handwriting practice. I have noticed that on earlier visits, they are a little stricter than I would like about how this is done- it has to be finished, and the letters all right. They made one kid re-do his "j"'s because they were not coming below the line. I wonder if this is really necessary, but then I know that they are expected to know more in kindergaten, so maybe it would be better if he learned how to do this well now?
post #8 of 16
I think focusing on handwriting in preschool is a little much. Many kids just don't have those fine motor skills yet. But, I am not an all or nothing kind of person. If that is the only drawback (and some wouldn't even see it as that), then I would probably still go for it. I know what you mean about your ds's personality because my 2 year old is the same way - pushing those boundries as far as he can. So, I am going to be facing this issue in two years when I send him to preschool. I'd rather have him in a situation where he had to do some hand writing, yet had a firm, loving teacher than have him in the kind of situation that you described where the teachers told your ds they would "break" him.
post #9 of 16
Some kids really thrive with a fairly rigid structure. When we were trying to pick a kindergarten for dd, DH and I had our hearts set on the fancy "progressive" private school with the free-flowing curriculum that lets each child learn the academic basics through playing and following their own interests.

DD like it OK, but absolutely LOVED the church school with the traditional curriculum and uniforms. We wound up sending her there because she liked it (and because it was half the price of the other school) and she is thriving.

I *never* would have picked that school for her, but she's really happy there.
post #10 of 16
The stricter school sounds good even if it has some unappealing things. I would follow your son's lead on this one and put him in the one he wants to go in. It sounds like he's a kid who may thrive on structure.
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by blsilva View Post
I'm about ready to give up on the whole preschool thing altogether. But then I'm worried that we'll just be going through the same thing in Kindergarten. :
I would give the structured place a try, and hopefully he will thrive in that environment. And if for whatever reason it is not a good fit, I would drop it preschool for this year, instead of trying another one after that.

My older son is very rule-following, but he also likes structure a lot, knowing what comes next, routines, etc.

Also, I took my younger son out of preschool this year, and we have all been much happier! My feeling now is that 4 is the earliest MY kids benefit at all from pre-schol, and also I didn't like the discipline policy, big problems with the board, etc.
post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thank you, mamas. I was (and am) so torn on this, because a part of me thinks that if my ds wants to go here, there must be a reason. Its not like they've gone easy on him when we've been there- they've made him follow the rules like every other kid there, so he knows what he's getting into. But another part of me cringes at the thought of sending him to a place that is everything I have read that a school shouldn't be, yk? Its good to know, though, that other like-minded mamas would consider sending him here. Its at least worth a try, right?
margitmama, I appreciate what you said, about trying this one, and then letting it go if this doesn't work. I definitely have not tried every preschool in my area, but I've tried several, and I don't think that a year of skipping from school to school is going to make him ready and willing to go to kindergarten! :
post #13 of 16
I agree w/ giving it a shot if he is attracted to it.

My first-born is very free-spirited/outgoing (he thrives in a social setting) and went to a free-play/free-choice preschool and then to their AMAZING developmental Kindergarden. We had 4 working parents each day in the K so the teacher could provide all the hands-on stuff she wanted. My son is now in his local 1st grade elementary school. He is thriving. There is a LOT of structure and he hated it at first (he had no friends) but he loves to go now. He misses it when we are on vacation.

My daughter... thrives on structure. She picks up after herself. I know she needs a more structured classroom (not the 50+ kid play area that my son had.) I really can't believe it. I had a psychic tell me a year ago that she would do best in Montessori. I don't like most of the M's I saw around here... waaay too academic (I was shocked!) stuff done too early... yada, yada... but OMG... I need to reconsider and follow HER lead!

I'm just curious... have you done a search for Parent Co-ops in your area? Our preschool is run like one, and listed as a "Parent Education program" so it's not listed as a co-op, but is VERY developmental and not academic at all. (And so much more affordable than Montessori!) But it's hard to find if you don't know where to look, b/c it is listed funny, it's basically a word of mouth thing.

http://www.ccppns.org/find_school.html
post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
We do have a parent participation preschool in my area, and it actually comes highly recommended by several parents, but I'm not sure if it would work for us. The parents work in the classroom, right? I have a 2yo, and pretty much no sitters during the day. The only people he ever stays with are dh and grandma, both of whom work during the week. I'll have to look into it, though, and see if there is some way I can work around their schedule.
post #15 of 16
hmm, tough one, but I agree with the PP who say perhaps the structure would be good for him.

As difficult as transitions are, it may help him to know EXACTLY how long things will last and exactly what comes next. The handwriting sounds crazy to me as does the buzzer, but the teacher sounds good and I think your DS will appreciate the order, structure and knowing what comes next part.

I also agree that it's more about the teacher than the school itself. At a place like that it doesn't sound like there would be any "don't tell your mom" going on. It sounds quite professional, which has plusses and minuses.

Can you ask to speak to some parents - preferably of rambunctious boys who go to the school? I'd get some references and ask directly about the structure. I'm very up front about what my pre-school offers and what it doesn't.
post #16 of 16
my daughter had huge problems with transistions and structured preschool was the answer.

it sounds like your son is needing some boundries and structure and this school sounds like those are very clear, and i like the way the teacher handled the yelling.

routine is good for families and kids alike, and i think if you give this place a try you will be suprised at how it fits.

of course i could be wrong, but it sounds better thana home based daycare, considering your sons age.
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