Battling Thrush Support Thread - Page 9

[pyzia]

It has been confirmed. I have thrush and so does DS.

[guitarmama]

Originally Posted by pyzia

It has been confirmed. I have thrush and so does DS.

May the force be with you.

[Teakafrog]

HELP!!!
Should I take GSE orally at the same time as the probiotics, or will that kill the good little critters? So I need to space out the doses? And do I really need to do the GSE topical to the nipples EVERY hour? or just after feedings? All the protocols I find are a little different...dr gordon, dr. newman, etc. What has worked for you?

[PNWmama]

Originally Posted by Teakafrog

HELP!!!
Should I take GSE orally at the same time as the probiotics, or will that kill the good little critters? So I need to space out the doses? And do I really need to do the GSE topical to the nipples EVERY hour? or just after feedings? All the protocols I find are a little different...dr gordon, dr. newman, etc. What has worked for you?

I don't know...I've been taking probiotics at the same time as GSE, now I'm paranoid! I've been putting GSE on my nipples after feedings.

I'm new to this thread, but not new to thrush . I think I've had it pretty much since my son was born, but it only started getting really bad in December. I've done two rounds of Diflucan, but it keeps coming back. The last time I did Diflucan for two weeks (the first day 200 mg, and then 100 mg thereafter). I took my last one about a week ago, and was feeling better, but now the evil yeast is back again . I'm taking GSE orally and topically and taking probiotics. Don't know if it's really helping. DS has never shown any signs of being infected, until this morning when I noticed that he's getting a yeasty looking diaper rash. Ugh! Is it okay to put nystatin cream on his bum?
Another thing: Can thrush make you have itchy armpits?
DS also has food allergies. Now I'm wondering if there is a connection like some of you mentioned.

[mama in the forest]

May the force be with you

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[mama in the forest]

The last time I did Diflucan for two weeks (the first day 200 mg, and then 100 mg thereafter). I took my last one about a week ago, and was feeling better, but now the evil yeast is back again

Sometimes ya need to be on it longer. Some mamas for 6 weeks.

Have you tried the TTO & oregano yet?

[pyzia]

Talk about adding insult to injury, Dh said that he is afraid to go near me because he might start growing cheese on his body. Men!

[tulsidas]

Originally Posted by pyzia

Talk about adding insult to injury, Dh said that he is afraid to go near me because he might start growing cheese on his body. Men!

sorry, my husband was weirded out with my yeasty breast, but i don t think he has to worry about that.

do take the probiotics with GSE.
if your case is really bad do wipe with GSE every hour, or when you remember. but DEFINITLY after each nursing.
there is conflicting info out there, but there is an underlining of the same stuff. do as much as you feel you need to.
sorry you have it


i am FINALLY sore-FREE for 2 days and i am trying not to worry that it may come back.
focusing on thinking good thoughts.

hang in there!!!!!

[tulsidas]

Originally Posted by Teakafrog

HELP!!!
Should I take GSE orally at the same time as the probiotics, or will that kill the good little critters? So I need to space out the doses? And do I really need to do the GSE topical to the nipples EVERY hour? or just after feedings? All the protocols I find are a little different...dr gordon, dr. newman, etc. What has worked for you?

i found this to be the clearest to follow:

Jack Newman's Breastfeeding Handouts----just google it.

the APNO seems to really be helping too.
keep taking your probiotics.
GSE 3 times a day.

[mirpmama]

yup - it can give you itchy armpits!! i feel like i have it in my mouth from kissing my dd on her mouth. this is so frustrating. i have one dose of the diflucan left (second round) and i just know it is going to come back. i have been doing the vinegar washes, but that is it....i am not good with sterilizing and was not able to find the GV or GSE......why are doctors so dumb?? the first time i called in november they said ductal thrush was too rare - this past time they said, if it happens again we will need to see you to find out what is going on - cant i just sent them here to read this thread so they can see - i am not the only one and it is hard to get rid of!!!! odd question - i know that antibiotics can create yeast problems - what about albuterol - dd has asthma and takes a nebulizer a few times a week.........

[guitarmama]

Originally Posted by tulsidas

i found this to be the clearest to follow:

Jack Newman's Breastfeeding Handouts----just google it.

the APNO seems to really be helping too.
keep taking your probiotics.
GSE 3 times a day.

I think the handouts are on kellymom.com

[PNWmama]

Originally Posted by mama in the forest

Have you tried the TTO & oregano yet?

No I haven't. How much do you need to take? I'm sure it's already been discussed on here, but there are a lot of pages to read through!

[guitarmama]

home-made APNO!

Well, I just got a call from my pharacist saying that APNO would cost me a wopping $75! I told her what I've been using and she said that it should do just fine. Here it is...

Mix together
Nystatin (perscription)
Lotrimin (Clotrimazole)
Neosporin (triple antibiotic cream)
Petrolium jelly

It's not as strong as prescription APNO, and it's missing the anti-inflamitory ingredient, but if you (like me) can't afford to drop $75, then this is the recipie for you.

[PNWmama]

Originally Posted by guitarmama

Well, I just got a call from my pharacist saying that APNO would cost me a wopping $75! I told her what I've been using and she said that it should do just fine. Here it is...

Mix together
Nystatin (perscription)
Lotrimin (Clotrimazole)
Neosporin (triple antibiotic cream)
Petrolium jelly

It's not as strong as prescription APNO, and it's missing the anti-inflamitory ingredient, but if you (like me) can't afford to drop $75, then this is the recipie for you.

That's insane! My APNO prescription was only $3.85. Is it not covered by your insurance? That's great that it can be easily homemade.

[tulsidas]

weird, my apno was $20.
you should call another pharmacy, but if your is working right on!

3 days of no pain!!!

[guitarmama]

The pharmacy said that most insurance plans don't cover compounds. My DIY APNO seems to be doing the trick. My pain has gone down about 90% in the last 2 days.

Oh, and dd wants nothing to do with a purple nipple. I have to turn off the lights to nurse her with the GV on.

[sungirl]

Please, give me some hope!!!!

Ok, so I am on the 2nd round of diflucan (week 3) and over the past 3 weeks my symptoms have been getting WORSE. Every day I watch my nipples get redder and feel them get sorer, and I'm beginning to wonder if I've misdiagnosed it as thrush/yeast. I am so scared to return to the place of Really Sore Nipples that I experienced in the beginning... I mourn for those few days when my nipples were healthy, pain-free, and nursing was blissful. :

Can mistakenly taking anti-yeast agents do me harm? I am tempted to just stop the diflucan and see what happens. Will that breed resistant yeast strains? I find it very frustrating that drs/midwives have a hard time diagnosing yeast and seem to know very little. I've found most of my info here!

Right now, dd is taking nothing (nystatin last 2 wks; didn't seem to do jack diddly). Now and then I let her suck acidophilus off my finger. (I should do that more)

I am taking tons of probiotics, GSE and APNO after feedings, no sugar or beer. Tons of hand washing. Still waiting for the correct 1% solution of GV. Shouldn't I have seen Some improvement in the last 2 wks?

My pain is like pins and needles between feedings; areola feels bruised btwn feedings and as dd latches on. Nipples bright pink; no cracks... yet.

Any advice? Do I keep going with all the protocol or throw in the towel and see what happens?

On my pity-pot,
Katie

[DBZ]

Katie, are you sure your DD's latch is good? Do you ever have whitish looking nipples? Are you sure your bra is the right size and it is wireless right? I'm no expert or anything but wheneven I get a pins and needle feeling it seems like blood flow is constricted. Does your baby have oral thrush? If you have a LLL meeting near you I'd go. If you have thrush you might have a little more then just thrush.

Oral thrush in a baby can cause a bad latch. My dd would suck in such a way that my nipple would flatten and turn white.

Taking diflucan without a yeast infection isn't going to give you a yeast infection.

Keep up the probiotics, gse, etc. It can only do you good.

[sungirl]

Thanks for your input! I think our latch is good most of the time. A lactation consult/RN came to our house and said it looked textbook. DD is very vigorous when she eats, clamping down. That could cause some soreness on the areola, I suppose. Also, her top lip forms a little beak rather than flanging out. This has been her style from the beginning, even w/o thrush.

But yes, I do get blanched nipples now and then; I'm at home most of the time and don't wear a bra. I'm not sure dd has oral thrush; at the dr.s last week she didn't see any signs. The LLL meeting idea is a good one. Thanks! I will look one up in my area.

[tulsidas]

sungirl,
sorry to hear about your nipples.
it is really hard!!!
i agree that the things you are taking wont hurt,but i understand the emotional weight of doing so much with no results. hang in there but explore some more things, if you can handle it.
the difulsin did not help me much either, but the APNO and gentian violet did.
i read from a good source that if GV helps you then it is thrush. really try to get a hold of GV. it does help, and if it does not help you at all in 7 days then you can assume you dont have a yeast problem.

my nips turn a little white too. i am re-looking into that too. in my tons of web-browsing about thrush i read something like that can also be a sign of candida.

currently my therory for most of us mamas is that we have candida and we have to cure that. but it is really hard. it means really changing our diets and the candida diet is TORTURE to a nursing mother. : : :

good luck and keep exploring and taking good things into your body!!!