The Good Kind of Mutilation

[grendal82002]

I was talking with my friends saturday night and out of nowhere the topic of cicumcision came up. This girl that I know who is the older sister of my friend is studying to become a physican's assistant(PA) and she claims that there is no point in doing it after your older and that the only good time is when the child is a baby. It then went into an argment for about 10 mintues. Well heres the short version of it:

PA: the only good time to have it done is when the boy is a baby. Theres no point in having it done when your older.
Me: There's no point in having done at all.
PA: Well...you should have it done as a baby its better that way.
Me: It shouldn't be done in the first place!
Every male in the room except for me(even ones not in the room): I'm circumcised.
Friend 1: Although I wish I wasn't.
My Best friend: There is nothing wrong with not having it done as a baby.
Friend 2: I'm circumcised and the percentage is like 60:40 now, so you should have it done.
Friend 1: No its going down. Its now like 50:50 now, because they realise that theres really no benefits from having it down. Its totaly useless to have it done to a child. Its basically mutilation.
My best friend: Its the good kind of mutilation. The good kind. Yo cant go wrong with that kind. (He was serious).

The conversation about circumcision ended at that point. The sad part is I think the girls in the room were more receptive to what my best friend was saying rather than what friend 1 was saying. It felt as though the girls in the room wanted to say that a guy being intact is disgusting but just didn't want to come right out and say it. What I dont understand however is, when was there a good kind of mutilation? Does one even exist? :

[Galatea]

The good kind of mutilation is whatever was done to the person speaking. Of course one has to think that one's own body is good.

[mamato271828]

: Totally what I was thinking.

For the past year, I was seriously considering training to become a PA myself. But I recently changed my mind because I know I could not fit into the mainstream medical community (and I would be way too frustrated with idiots like this). I now know I *really* made the right choice. Thanks for posting and sorry you had to be present for that conversation.

[beckyand3littlemonsters]

Originally Posted by grendal82002

Its the good kind of mutilation.

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no form of mutilation is good, especially this to a poor unconcenting new born baby :
what would they say to a screaming baby whille doing the circ, it doesn't matter that this is hurting you because "Its the good kind of mutilation." :

[mamaofthree]

I would think the only good kind of mutilation is what you do to your self (ie tattoos, piercings, scaring etc) as an adult knowing full well what you are doing to yourself.... nothing done to a baby is "good mutilation". :

H

[nd_deadhead]

Do you suppose she also recommends "the good kind of spanking"?

[grendal82002]

Originally Posted by nd_deadhead

Do you suppose she also recommends "the good kind of spanking"?

[mamaofthree]

As messed up as that is, people think that too! UGH!

H

[Jane]

There are subtantial numbers of people that choose to do things that I would consider mutilation of their own penises - splitting the head in two, adding rings and bars, implants, changing the location of the urethral opening, etc. As far as I'm concerned, that's the only kind of mutilation that should be allowed.

[luv my 2 sweeties]

My question to the PA would be why is there no point in doing it later? My BIL had a circumcision as an adult. Apparently, his foreskin was tight, and he found this uncomfortable. I only heard that he was having the proceedure. For obvious reasons, I didn't ask him about the outcome, so I don't know if it solved his problem or not. (He likes to "sow his wild oats", so I assume it worked out O.K. )

Anyway, my point is that neither he nor my dh were circumcised as babies. My dh is *very* happy to be intact. BIL was not, so he got circ'ed as an adult. Everyone is happy now. (I'm assuming BIL is happy.) However, if they had both been circ'ed at birth, my dh would have suffered the "bad kind" of mutilation. I say it should be a man's choice, and if he chooses it freely to solve a problem he's having, then it's not really mutilation at all.

[mika85]

mutilation is never good, imho. there is no "good kind".

[gabysmom617]

Originally Posted by luv my 2 sweeties

My question to the PA would be why is there no point in doing it later? My BIL had a circumcision as an adult. Apparently, his foreskin was tight, and he found this uncomfortable. I only heard that he was having the proceedure. For obvious reasons, I didn't ask him about the outcome, so I don't know if it solved his problem or not. (He likes to "sow his wild oats", so I assume it worked out O.K. )

Anyway, my point is that neither he nor my dh were circumcised as babies. My dh is *very* happy to be intact. BIL was not, so he got circ'ed as an adult. Everyone is happy now. (I'm assuming BIL is happy.) However, if they had both been circ'ed at birth, my dh would have suffered the "bad kind" of mutilation. I say it should be a man's choice, and if he chooses it freely to solve a problem he's having, then it's not really mutilation at all.

More men than you may realize who are adults and get the procedure done as adults eventually (some sooner, some later) come to regret the decision to circumcise.

Just because a man likes to "sow his wild oats" does not necesarily mean he was happy with the outcome of his circumcision. I've even heard it mentioned that some men may compensate for the lack of "feeling" in the circ'ed penis by sleeping with a lot of women, to keep up that adrenaline, that "newness"...I have a circ'ed partner, so I know just how mundane and boring and uncomfortable sex can be after a long time with the same partner who is so comfortable with me by now, that he needs all sorts "new" things in order to get stimulated enough....

I think a lot of men jump into the decision to get circumcised prematurely and not very well educated on the uses and benefits of the foreskin, and most doctors don't tell them everything, neither the long term results of circumcision, nor less drastic solutions to "problems" they may be having with their foreskin.

The truth is, the glans (head) is supposed to be an internal organ, protected by the foreskin, when it is exposed constantly to the rubbing of underwear, and other elements, it slowly begins to lose feeling and become calloused and keritanized over the years.
The frenelum on the intact male (under the head, connects the foreskin to the penis) is just as sensitive as the female's clitoris....it almost always removed as well during circumcision. Most doctors (especially the ones here in the u.s.) are not very knowledgable about the intact penis, it's function, and where the concentration of nerves in it, and it's function sexually. I'm willing to bet (although I'm hoping not) that your BIL went into the decision not well informed.

A tight foreskin can be so easily resolved with creams and stretching excerses...I'm wondering if your bil tried this first or not. I mean, circing seems like solving such a simple problem by drastically creating a whole host of new ones...

I mean, if a man knows all of this and still goes ahead with circing, sure, it's his choice........But too many men DON'T know all the facts before they jump into the decision. Especially here in the U.S., the least little ioda of a problem with the foreskin a man has, the first thing the doc does is recommend circing. I've seen cases in which young men, freshly circ'ed, regret their decision so much that almost immediately they look into restoring to gain back some of what they lost.

[luv my 2 sweeties]

Originally Posted by gabysmom617

More men than you may realize who are adults and get the procedure done as adults eventually (some sooner, some later) come to regret the decision to circumcise.

Just because a man likes to "sow his wild oats" does not necesarily mean he was happy with the outcome of his circumcision. I've even heard it mentioned that some men may compensate for the lack of "feeling" in the circ'ed penis by sleeping with a lot of women, to keep up that adrenaline, that "newness"...I have a circ'ed partner, so I know just how mundane and boring and uncomfortable sex can be after a long time with the same partner who is so comfortable with me by now, that he needs all sorts "new" things in order to get stimulated enough....

I think a lot of men jump into the decision to get circumcised prematurely and not very well educated on the uses and benefits of the foreskin, and most doctors don't tell them everything, neither the long term results of circumcision, nor less drastic solutions to "problems" they may be having with their foreskin.

The truth is, the glans is supposed to be an internal organ, when it is exposed constantly to the rubbing of underwear, and other elements, it slowly begins to lose feeling and become calloused over the years.
The frenelum on the intact male is just as sensitive to the female's clitoris....it almost always removed as well during circumcision. Most doctors (especially the ones here in the u.s.) are not very knowledgable about the intact penis, it's function, and where the concentration of nerves in it, and it's function sexually. I'm willing to bet (although I'm hoping not) that your BIL went into the decision not well informed.

A tight foreskin can be so easily resolved with creams and stretching excerses...I'm wondering if your bil tried this first or not. I mean, circing seems like solving such a simple problem by drastically creating a whole host of new ones...

I mean, if a man knows all of this and still goes ahead with circing, sure, it's his choice........But too many men DON'T know all the facts before they jump into the decision. I've seen cases in which young men, freshly circ'ed, regret their decision so much that almost immediately they look into restoring to gain back some of what they lost.

Hmm, that's interesting. I have no idea how much info BIL had or how he feels about it now that it's done, and I have no intention of finding out! Even knowing he was having it done was TMI for me! My point was that even if a man *is* happy with his circumcision as an adult, that doesn't mean he (or anyone) should make that decision for his baby. I'm confident most men who are intact are happy to be so and would never even consider circumcision. I can't imagine...