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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
In response to the new "Conceal and Carry" legislation in our state, I just want to tell the republican congress, bravo!! I am positive that putting more guns on the street, and making it easier to obtain and conceal firearms will make us all much "safer." Well done!!

Instead of settling disputes with, (God forbid) reason, we can all just take it outside and fill eachother with holes because we'll all be packin' heat! -Good thinking!!

Now I think the next step is to make it legal to drive an Abrahms tank to work. Think of it. Nobody would ever cut you off in traffic again.

Hmmm, I wonder how much I would have to pay for a slightly used bazooka? One that was owned by a little old lady from Pasadena, and only fired on special occasions.


What the World Needs Now!!

What the world needs now
is guns, sweet guns!
They make a small man tough
And there just ain’t e-nough
What the world needs now
is guns, sweet guns!
No not just for some, but for everyone

A BB gun is lots of fun for the little ones
Gotta teach the little nippers to kill
Forget all about feeding the hungry
And healthcare is just for the ill

What the world needs now
is guns, sweet guns!
They make a small man tough
And there just ain’t e-nough
What the world needs now
is guns, sweet guns!
No not just for some, but for everyone

If every car came equipped with a gun rack
Traffic altercations would be no more
Education is quite overrated
compared to a Colt .44

What the world needs now
is guns, sweet guns!
They make a small man tough
And there just ain’t e-nough
What the world needs now
is guns, sweet guns!
No not just for some, but for everyone

A .38 will put an end to a bar fight
And domestic quarrels sure wouldn’t last
Battered women shelters sure won't be needed
Marriage counsling is a thing of the past

What the world needs now
is guns, sweet guns!
They make a small man tough
And there just ain’t e-nough
What the world needs now
is guns, sweet guns!
No not just for some, but for everyone

-Madmax
post #2 of 24
:LOL


Edited to add link to midi file for those who would like to hear the tune as they read.

Beware of pop-ups....

What the world needs now...
post #3 of 24
Thread Starter 

devi

Thanks for the link.
post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 

just in case

No Iowans were hurt in the making of this poem.
post #5 of 24
dhlotusdebi2

Perhaps you should see "Bowling for Columbine" YOu are still more likely to be killed by a gun in this country than any other industialized country on earth. It's called FEAR and as far as I am concerned our gun happy little country is consumed with it. Quite sad.

Yeah, let's everyone get a gun we'll all be so much safer :

~Deirdre
post #6 of 24
Thread Starter 

conceal carry a good thing?

I edited this so people don't misunderstand the point I was trying to make.
post #7 of 24

Re: re: concealed carry

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Originally posted by dh2lotusdeb
Its a good thing.
Let's leave Martha Stewart out of this.

If you want to assert that violent crime decreases in states providing more protection for guns, please do so.

You imply that I'm safer in my state if concealed guns are permitted. I'd love to see some evidence of that!
post #8 of 24
Thread Starter 
Crime Rates according to the NRA

Deirdre I agree.

Look at the murder rate in Minnesota in 1994 3.1 %... In Alaska it was 6.4 %. So one could conclude the murder rate is 2x higher in a 'conceal and carry' state than it is in Minnesota...

Also, how many convieniently unmentioned cases of accidental death or injury are there of children who just happened to find daddy's gun?
post #9 of 24
Thread Starter 

Study Says Concealed-Carry Laws May Increase Crime

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The research conducted by Stanford University law professor John Donohue found that the 13 states that adopted right-to-carry gun laws after 1992 had a sharp increases in murder and other violent-crime rates, compared with states without such laws.
Studies indicate violent crime increases with conceal and carry laws...
post #10 of 24
NYC had an amazing drop in crime in the 90's because they decided to get "tough on crime" and returned to neighborhood patrols by police. Add to that a booming economy and lo and behold, major drops in crime. Had nothing to do with a large jump in NYCers packin handguns.

I would prefer to work for a healthy and booming economy, quality education, affordable healthcare and job opportunities to create a safer society than put my efforts towards ensuring everyone can carry a gun to make me feel safer. Just a different perspective on the world.

Anyway, in the end it comes down to how you want to live: in fear or not.

Good little essay here about that:

To stop our downward spiral of fear, we must cleanse ourselves of ill will

Madmax, I liked your song
post #11 of 24
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Originally posted by frogertgrl
Let's leave Martha Stewart out of this.
:LOL

Also Max, thanks for the link to the centerfire page. If you take out three states from their statistics. DC, Alabama and Louisiana you get a very similar murder rate between the two models.

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originally posted by Dierdra I would prefer to work for a healthy and booming economy, quality education, affordable healthcare and job opportunities to create a safer society than put my efforts towards ensuring everyone can carry a gun to make me feel safer. Just a different perspective on the world.
post #12 of 24
I've lived in this state for over 20 years despite the piece of crap, 35 below zero, 9 month long winters. I've stayed because somehow it was different. Now we're no different. Everything that made this state something other than a cold hell hole is fast disappearing and now people can carry concealed weapons. Why, so those that are now denied health care, food and shelter for themselves and their kids by the current administration won't get too close when they ask for help?. What crap.

Somebody tell me to stay and fight, because I am losing heart.
post #13 of 24
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Originally posted by Summerlover Somebody tell me to stay and fight, because I am losing heart.
I would ask you to stay and fight mama, but I'd be a hypocrate ... At least stay until I'm gone though ok???

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Originally posted by dh2lotusdeb
first, comparing two numbers for a given population (in this case # of murders and total population) is not, by itself, valid ...


UHM, I think that's the point Max was trying to make ....

I am glad you brought it up again however as it is the 'exact' the type of 'research' the pro-gun lobby used in Madmax's link to justify it's "Guns are good" stance.

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Originally posted by dh2lotusdeb
... "what is the effect of concealed carry on crime rates?" ...


See here

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13 states that adopted right-to-carry gun laws after 1992 had a sharp increases in murder and other violent-crime rates, compared with states without such laws.


And here...

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While crime may have dropped in concealed-carry states, crime has generally dropped more in the other states ... supporters of concealed-carry laws "are not enthusiastic about noting that crime fell more in the states that didn't adopt those laws.So they just look at the states that passed them and say, 'Look how crime fell.'"


Regarding the 300 children killed each year by firearms. If that were a correct figure, it would be alarming in and of itself. But it is not correct according to the most recent 'NRA' data (I can find) which puts the figure closer to 4500 per year.

I can't even believe this crap

I do realize the NRA wants each child over the age of 15 'not to be counted' but you see, my child is not expendable at the age of 15.
post #14 of 24
Thread Starter 

Guns are neat-o, but...

If protection of your home is your thing, a shotgun is a much better choice. Just point and click! I think you need to ask yourself, what is the main purpose for the creation of handguns in the first place,- certainly not hunting.

But as per usual, the GOP answer to the public trust is to take away the common man (or woman's) hope, replace it with fear and mistrust, and give them a shiney new box of bullets and a itty- bitty tax cut. I would prefer a good job and healthcare.
post #15 of 24
Quote:
I would prefer to work for a healthy and booming economy, quality education, affordable healthcare and job opportunities to create a safer society than put my efforts towards ensuring everyone can carry a gun to make me feel safer. Just a different perspective on the world.
AMen!
post #16 of 24
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Originally posted by dh2lotusdeb
Take a look at studies by John Lott and Gary Kleck. They're pretty much the gold standard for research into gun policy.


Those studies 'were' examined and refuted in the information posted. Please read the information in the links provided...

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Originally posted by dh2lotusdeb
Those of us on the pro-gun side really don't like the albatross of criminal misuse (where a lot of 15+ shootings fall) being hung around our necks, especially when it is in a soundbite of 10-15 children a day die from firearms accidents -- give up your guns!


No one has claimed 15 children die each day from firearms 'accidents.' The claim was 13 children die each day from 'firearm related fatalities', which is correct.

Also what do you mean by 'the albatross of criminal misuse?' Are you saying that a 15 year old shot by a 'criminal' doesn't count?!?!?! In other words each child over 15 who was killed at Columbine (and else where) is just an 'albatross'??

And ... while were on the subject I think you should see the movie "Bowling ...." I think you've got your facts wrong.

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(A lot of us would really like to respond: GO BE A PARENT, NOT AN ANTI-GUN POLITICIAN!)
With all due respect, I can't even go here with you.
post #17 of 24
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Originally posted by dh2lotusdeb
jointogether.org? I think not ...
Why because they came to a different conclusion then the NRA? Is everyone 'disqualified' (in your mind) who disagrees with the 'pro-gun' lobby?

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If a teenager chooses their own path of criminal behaviour, why and why must those of us who are lawful citizens be held accountable for it?

It would be like everyone who owns a car being held responsible for hit and run drivers.

Or everyone who owns a knife being held up to the spotlight for someone who commits a crime with one. Or ...


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Regarding Michael Moore you said~I hope they do revoke his Oscar.
I have read your links. : It's obvious to me that most of those who wrote negative things about the movie have probably never even seen it.

Michael Moore Defends Bowling...

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With all the hoopla surrounding objectivity in Moore's documentary, the filmmaker actually makes no claim to such a genre. "I don't know if you should call it a documentary," Moore said. "I think it's a nonfiction film.
Alternet.

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If you're comparing Moore's work to a sepia-toned Ken Burns opus, it's easy to see where the criticism comes from. "Bowling for Columbine" aims for the gut, throws big ideas into the ring and doesn't really grapple with all of them. But it is gripping and powerful; it grabs you by the heartstrings and makes you laugh at your assumptions. And precisely because Moore does not pretend to answer all of the questions he raises, "Bowling for Columbine" is that rarest of beasts: A movie that makes you feel, and then makes you think.
Guardian

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Bowling for Columbine was a personal journey for Moore; he had been a marksmanship champion as a teenager and is a lifelong member of the NRA.
Im out now all.
post #18 of 24
dhlotusdebi2~It seems that you know little about Moore's film if you actually think that whether or not the Columbine killers went bowling that morning has_anything_to do with the movie.

Moore's work is about America and our culture of violence and fear. Perhaps you can point me to an NRA funded "study" they are working on "prove" that we don't live in a culture of violence and fear :LOL

Anyway,it seems silly to debate the opinion a person has about a movie he has never seen. So I won't.

~Deirdre

edited to add: you may want to see the movie if nothing else so you can tell your NRA friends to never, ever let Charlton Heston do an unscripted interview with Michael Moore again. Let's just say he didn't come off sounding like the brightest bulb in the box
post #19 of 24
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Originally posted by dh2lotusdeb
[. Those of us on the pro-gun side really don't like the albatross of criminal misuse (where a lot of 15+ shootings fall) being hung around our necks[/B]


Yes, I'm sure you don't. How inconvenient to be expected to answer to the thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands (thirty or so thousand I think) of grieving parents each year. How much nicer to just sit back, and listen to the sounds of freedom ring out at the shooting range. And in our offices. And our schools. And our homes. And on our streets. And in our stores.
post #20 of 24
Thread Starter 

the great paradox

How ironic it is that a majority of the people who are for this type of legislation consider themselves "pro life" advocates. I guess that only applies to the unborn.
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