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post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
My second child, now 3 years old, flared with eczema before she was 3 months, thus introducing us to the confusing world of allergies. She had a very bad case of eczema, but by her first birthday RAST helped us identify her unusual food allergies and she cleared up soon after. Since then we've been v-e-r-y slowly adding foods to her diet, pretty much all successfully, and I think she may actually only be allergic to 2 or 3 things (dairy & wheat) rather than the several we are still avoiding. By the way, I find it a curious coincidence that I ate dairy and wheat at just about every meal before dd#2 came along to help me learn a healthier way to eat.

My question is not about her though! (Although I would like to discuss her situation too.) Five weeks ago I gave birth to my third child and though I've been thinking about it since even before he was concieved, I am having trouble deciding what to do this time around, with regard to preventing allergies and/or avoiding major reactions. I began taking probiotics midway through this pregnancy. I hope they're working to heal my gut, if that was indeed the problem. How can I tell? My digestion improved after avoiding foods for dd#2, who was reacting to foods through breastmilk, but I haven't noticed anything different in me with any of the three jars of probiotics I have been taking. I continue eating a healthy primarily whole foods (little packaged food) diet, still avoiding peanuts, severely limiting dairy and wheat (and don't eat much fish, soy, or nuts anyway). However, I loved being able to eat eggs again and did so about every other day. What else could I be doing?

I'm watching my baby's skin closely, and he does already seem to be sensitive, but my midwife tells me it's just normal newborn sensitivity, to fabric and such. His face and sometimes upper back and chest gets little bumps that mostly look just like the baby acne my first non-food allergic child had briefly at this age, but sometimes his cheek has a little patch that sort of remind me of dd#2's eczema. His skin changes rapidly. I take zillions of photographs, so I have even looked at photos of all three of my children as newborns to compare. Although we took three months to realize dd#2 had eczema, after I learned what it was I was able to see it in her photos as early as one month. So my son has reached that age.

A few days ago I decided to try strictly avoiding all the top allergens for at least a week and see what his skin does. But a thought struck me yesterday. If we are born with allergic potential, not specific allergies, and if my son is going to be allergic to something, then going back on a severe elimination diet could mean he becomes allergic to one of his sister's staples like rice or sunbutter! Perhaps it is better to eat freely but in moderation and wide variety. For instance, during pregnancy I aimed to eat wheat and dairy no more than once per day.

Thank you for taking time to read this lengthy post. I'm eager to read about what you did for your subsequent children who came after an allergic one, and any advice you have.

p.s. Just some genetic background: I have no identified allergies, neither through testing nor through obvious reactions (However, I do believe my gut is healthier since being on dd#2's safe diet and even after she weaned and I went back to eating her allergens, just much less often.) My husband's only allergy is grass (same as his father). My side of the family only has mild seasonal allergies, and my 83yo grandma's lifelong asthma. My dd#1 who never had a touch of eczema or food reactions has, in the past year or so, begun to react to fur with itchy welts in the elbow. I'm guessing my third chiild must have some genetic allergic potential too. What I want to do is keep it from being huge, if I can't prevent it entirely.
post #2 of 20
Yes, I think you hit the nail on the head. On the one hand, you want to avoid the most commonly allergic foods, but on the other, that would make the baby more likely to be allergic to something less common. ANd I do think this is true. But another way to look at it is, is it easier to avoid rice or wheat when eating in America? Peanuts or sesame? See what I mean? It would be easier to deal w/ a sesame allergy, which is just as bad as peanut, b/c in this country, we use peanuts, not sesame, in snacks the way sesame is used in the Middle East (and in the Middle East, sesame allergy is just as rampant and serious as peanut allergy is here.)

Rice allergy is very common in Asia. So I guess it is a trade off. And I have no advice for you. With each of my kids, I ate like normal until they showed signs of allergies. Ds2 had NO food allergies. Then again, ds3 tested positive to egg, which I am also allergic to and never ate while pregnant or nursing him. I might have eaten 1 cookie while pg, but nothing sin ce then w/ egg. That's another thing to think about.
post #3 of 20
Congrats on the new baby, just 3 days younger than my 3rd. My oldest was dairy/soy/ egg intolerant, Evan was intolerant to about everything and ended up on rx formula, I'm dairy/soy free now and Ilana is already reacting to something (thinking it was the ham I had over the weekend) so I've hit the allergy jackpot for everyone. In our case though, the kids had the same sensitivities and were born that way. You have to remember that antibodies and sensitivities can form in the womb as well to what you're eating, so if you were eating things your other child has problems w/, they can very well have the same problems.
post #4 of 20
do you vax? if you do, wander over to the vax forum and see how many allergies appeared right after vaxing...
post #5 of 20
Allergies often appear after vaxing b/c food allergies/intolerances often don't show till 6-8 wks, normal vax time. That's when AJ's first showed, right after his shots, but I believe it had nothing to do w/ the vaxes.
post #6 of 20
Liam is not vaxed. He showed signs of allergies hours after he was born AT HOME.
post #7 of 20
Thread Starter 
Good point about some foods being easier to avoid than others.

What reactions is Ilana showing already? I'm not sure if Ian's skin is just being "newborn sensitive" or reacting to an allergen. What were Liam's reactions right after being born?

I stopped vaxxing after dd#2's first round at 2 months. We're not vaxing Ian for at least 2 years if at all.

I've decided, for now, to continue to completely avoid peanut (easy anyway) and dairy, limit wheat to less than once a day, have the other top allergens only occasionally, and try to vary my diet as much as I can. And keep watching Ian's skin closely. It has been looking better in the last couple of days, so maybe it was just ordinary baby acne.

But I'm still VERY interested to hear from others who have had more children after their allergic one: what did you do and how did it go? THANKS!
post #8 of 20
DS2 had really bad food allergies, eczema and allergic asthma.
DS3 does not appear to have any food allergies.
The only differences I can see off the bat is that I quit smoking during my pregnancy with DS2 and never started up again so DS3 was a 100% smoke free baby, and while I was pregnant with DS2 I took an antibiotic, but never took any during DS3's pregnancy. Other than that, I have not done anything differently.
post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by MommyMichele View Post
But I'm still VERY interested to hear from others who have had more children after their allergic one: what did you do and how did it go? THANKS!
dd1 showed her sensitvites loud and clear at 4mos by suddenly needing to stay attached all night long, and had to be held by only me, in the week after her 2nd round of vaxes. (this became clear in hindsight a year later when i started questioning vaxes, stopping after the 15mos ones. she was vaxed on halloween and i had already bought sears' fussy baby book and was on the eat only 13 foods elimination diet by dh's birthday on 11/15). she ended up reacting to anything i ate a lot, so, like you i did the variety approach. we ate lots of unusual foods, like teff, quinoa, millet, buckwheat, amaranth, parsnips, buffalo, anyone for rabbit stew? we kept off dairy and soy for 2 years, minimized wheat for 1 yr. we did NAET, candida cleanse just before she was 2. since then i've tried to keep to a variety/moderation/rotation routine. while pregnant with dd2 i tried to minimize exposure to the big 8, especially dairy and soy (no milk, cheese < twice a week)(but in the last 2 weeks ice cream was the only thing that took away the heartburn long enough to get to sleep ). i took probiotics, drank mostly raspberry leaf tea for minerals (as well as nori, prenatals). but it was hard, because i have absolutely no appetite when pregnant. i couldn't stand to cook and i had to remind/force myself to eat; my hunger cues were fatigue and bitchiness, with strong aversions combined with occasional phases of strong cravings. i would get nauseated very easily until 2 weeks postpartum, gained <20# both pregnancies (not that i'm a lightweight).

dd2 has no clear allergies, but has some "sandpapery" skin, probably eczema, but not the moist skin fold type that dd1 has. she doesn't scratch it. she gets runny nose colds a lot (usually a couple days after big sister does) and takes 2 weeks to dry up. she also got pneumonia at 3 mos and was given IV antibiotics in the hospital. i haven't pursued any strict elimination diet with her/me, because it's a lot of work/stress, a fight with dh and IL's, and i feel there's not a clear end point of success. she clearly has allergic potential: she threw up bananas and avocados violently at 7-8 mos (for 2 hrs), but tolerated them at ?18mos, and she got a skin "burn" from fig tree sap. (all latex related, ??maybe because i wear latex gloves at work?) she has some yeast signs (diaper rash when littler, cradle cap). no vaxes. i give her some dairy, don't specifically avoid it (it's in so many things...), but we use enriched rice milk, almonds, nori, infusions for minerals, as well as mineral drops in our jug of water; use olive/flaxseed/fishoil for fat, meat for protein (legumes are hard on her and keep her up at night, tummy audibly rumbling).

after reading here about so many people whose kids are ana to things they never specifically were exposed to (except maybe by residual protiens circulating for years in mama), i think we've been lucky!

ETA: drank a quart of milk a day sometimes while pregnant with dd1, also ate lots of wheat and soy milk/products. probably crawling with candida. 20/20 hindsight.
post #10 of 20
I don't have any useful advice, but fig may not be a problem for her. That burn from the sap is extremely common. I get a rash/hives reaction that resembles poison oak if I even brush against the leaves but I eat figs with no problem at all. This is true for many people. On the other hand, my partner who does have a reaction to eating them (he has many food allergies), does not react to the sap or leaves at all.

I don't know how helpful that may be, but at least it might be one less food to worry about?
post #11 of 20
thanks, skyastara, she does occasionally eat them now (this fall). i included the info to answer the op re: what did you do and how did dc2 turn out, allergywise.
post #12 of 20
We didn't know AJ was intolerant till 12mos and then we had to cut dairy, soy, and eggs. He could have eggs by 19 mos and at 2 was able to eat dairy and soy in foods, but not the milks. He's 3.5 now and seems o.k. w/ lactaid.

I went dairy free when Evan was born and by 8 wks, I was soy free too and that cleared up his eczema on his face. At 5 mos, I went egg free. He also had bad reflux and spent the whole first year screaming for the most part b/c of undiagnosed food issues. He also had nasty diapers that I never thought too much about since AJ never had that problem, looking back I know. I did the total elmination diet at 11 mos and we realized he was intolerant to about everything under the sun. I weaned him right after his birthday to rx formula that he just got off and hopefully will stay off.

Ilana has reflux too, but it seems to be better. Whether it's the new meds or current diet changes, we don't know yet. I started dairy/soy free when she was born. I recently took out eggs and wheat. I ate an egg one night and the next day got one nasty, green, mucousy diaper so off eggs. She is also extremely gassy, to the point she cries b/c it hurts. I decided to go off wheat and she seems to be doing better just in the 2 days I've done that. The boys aren't feeling well this week though so maybe it's all just an illness, we'll know eventually.
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by MommyMichele View Post

But I'm still VERY interested to hear from others who have had more children after their allergic one: what did you do and how did it go? THANKS!
My oldest had just as many allergies as Liam, although not as severe. He outgrew every single one of them. I'm REALLY hoping Liam does the same, but I know the odds are against us.

My middle child never had allergies and still shows no sign.
post #14 of 20
Oh, and Liam's symptoms right after his birth were reflux and I think he mayhave also started getting rashes on his face after nursing right away as well. THe rash would fade and come back every time he nursed. I guess they're technically hives, but it looked like tiny little bumpy rash.

I'm not sure I would have caught the reflux, but my sister was here to help out and she caught it right away. Her 2nd ds had severe reflux and she'd been keeping up w/ the latest research. While I was pg she found out that food allergy is a much more common cause of reflux than had previously been believed.
post #15 of 20
Thread Starter 
How do you tell a baby has reflux? My son sometimes seems to gag, but he has spit up only tiny amounts a few times. He does seem to sleep best on me, including at night, though he does sleep on his back beside me as well, and he will wiggle around happily on his back when he's not hungry and is well-rested. He has had a few evenings when he was very fussy and it took a long time for him to calm down. He had such an evening tonight, after not being that way for over a week (I thought it had ended for good). I ate egg in the past two days, which I'd avoided for a week, but ate a lot during pregnancy. And a couple of hours before this fussiness began I had a slice of cheese, and I've been almost totally avoiding dairy all year (dd#2 is highly allergic to dairy). Can dairy proteins appear in breastmilk after just a couple of hours? How soon could a reflux reaction occur?

Btw, his face is looking beutifully smooth now, but he has developed cradle cap, which dd#1 (no allergies) did not have while dd#2 (many allergies) did. I'm thinking it could be related to the season (dry air) if not food allergy though. Both dd#2 and my son were born in November, while dd#1 was born in humid May.

So many things to consider... I'm trying not to stress about whether he'll have allergies/eczema, but I never did like mysteries very much. If he is allergic I want to figure it out quickly and avoid the long drawn out painful ordeal we had with dd#2.
post #16 of 20
The gagging was Liam's biggest sign of reflux. He didn't puke any more than a normal baby, but he fussed and grunted a lot at night, which is a sign of silent reflux. Food proteins enter your milk within minutes, peaking at around 4 hours after comsumption and can stay in your milk for quite some time, especially dairy and gluten, which take weeks to get rid of completely.
post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by wendy1221 View Post
The gagging was Liam's biggest sign of reflux.
reading this, i think dd2 probably had some reflux. she would arch her back and cry during some feedings, especially if i ate chocolate in the first few weeks. i had thought it was a problem with forceful letdown, but maybe it was reflux. i know she had very hard night the first time she got some chocolate candy (?halloween at 11mos), tossing and turning, waking a lot.
post #18 of 20
You know, I don't think I'll do anything different with future babies. Supposedly I did everything "right" for this one, but he's still go major allergies. My older two don't.
post #19 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thank you everyone. Your replies have helped. So if I suspect he might have mild reflux, is this something that needs attention other than avoiding trigger foods? It will be outgrown, right?
post #20 of 20
Evan had reflux independent of food allergies and still needed meds after fixing his diet. Some kids' reflux is food induced.
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