I don't want to change her every hour! Suggestions? - Page 3

[pampered_mom]

Originally Posted by rmzbm

In all seriousness...can you walk me through the thought process that leads you to think allowing someone to sleep in urine is OK?

So...let me see if I understand this because quite frankly I'm having a hard time understanding exactly what it is that we're all supposed to be doing according to your logic. Are we to set an alarm to wake us up in the middle of the night for these diaper changes at night that according to you are necessary in order for proper diaper hygiene? Once every two hours? Four hours? Does it vary by age? What are the signs you are looking for that the diaper needs to be changed while everyone is asleep?

Are we talking about just the illusion of being dry as in a dry feeling? Or a truly dry diaper? Because, no offense to alegna, but if we are talking about not letting children sleep in a wet diaper then letting them sit in a wet diaper that only "feels dry" due to SAPs and other chemicals should not be allowed either. The same urine is there and it's still next to a child's skin - so what's the difference?

According to what standard should EVERY family hold themselves to in this regard?

[my3punkins2005]

pampared i agree what now should we have a wet meter that zaps us ... I don't think that anyone should try to push there EC on ANYONE isn't it good enough that she has her baby swaddled in a wonderful healthy cloth diaper!!
Before microfleece and disposables our grandmothers and such had us in cotton cloth diapers so whats the problem ???

[miziki]

Originally Posted by skueppers

Unlike rmzbm, I don't see any reason to change a kid who doesn't want to be changed, and I certainly see no reason to wake a child up in order to change their diaper unless it's soiled!

Regardless of diapering or ECing, I do think it's important to change babies even if they don't care about being soiled because it helps them to stay in tune with their elimination sensations, their ability to recognize wet/dirty. In the long run, this makes conventional potty training much easier on both toddler and parent - I've just heard so many moms who in one breath say, "Well, I'd change her but she's not that wet yet" and then in another breath they say, "We're trying potty training now, but DD/DS just doesn't seem to care that s/he's wet. I don't get it!" And then they put off potty training even longer because conventional potty training wisdom in our culture says "that means they're not ready" when in most cases (though not all), it just means that they've been desensitized to their own elimination after going in their diaper for 2, 3, 4 yrs in a row. So that's my encouragement to change a soiled diaper ASAP, though I do think it can be done cleverly and empathetically/respectfully so that it's less frustrating for the child.

Even a newborn is capable of letting us know that they're uncomfortable/unhappy.

Yes!!! It's just that they don't expect to go in a diaper - many will only go a little bit at first, mom or dad changes the diaper, baby goes more, rinse, lather, repeat, and 4 diapers later... If that same baby were held over a potty after the first little bit of pee/poop in the diaper, they'd very likely bear down of their own accord and finish the job completely, at which point they'd squirm to let you know they were done. ECing a newborn is positively mindblowing - they are so capable of communicating with us about so many things!

When my daughter was still nursing, I used to change her diaper in between sides... I'm not sure how successful that strategy was, but since I was going to have to change her sometime in there, it seemed like the best time.

Very instinctual and smart! When babies nurse, it really starts their digestive system moving from end to end. Quite common for babies to eliminate mid-feeding, so a diaper change then is great timing.

[miziki]

Originally Posted by my3punkins2005

I don't think that anyone should try to push there EC on ANYONE

my3punkins2005, rmzbm does NOT practice EC!!! Therefore, she's not "pushing EC on anyone" --> she is only advocating that soiled diapers be changed as quickly as humanly possible so that babies are clean and dry, not sitting in a dirty diaper. But that is not EC. That's just changing diapers quickly.

Originally Posted by my3punkins2005

Before microfleece and disposables our grandmothers and such had us in cotton cloth diapers so whats the problem ???

I didn't think there was a problem? Mamas on these forums are hopefully allowed to have differences of opinion without there "being a problem." True that your mother and grandmother may have had you in cloth, though you were probably potty trained by 2 yrs old. But your great-grandmother and those before her? She most likely pottied her babies. :

Really, diapering is such a recent thing (less than 100 yrs!) and most of the world still doesn't diaper as it is plain and simple too costly (in time, money, and environment) and culturally considered unhygienic. No flames, please, I'm only relaying opinions of those cultures in which EC is still the norm - NOT judging!!!

[vietsabien]

Oh my gosh. How could anyone leave their baby soaking in urine overnight? I don't purposely leave my baby unchanged all night long. I use pocket diapers or stay-dry doublers because just in case I can't change her right after she goes, It buys me a little time. In other words, a baby should be changed as soon as they pee or poop. No exceptions. Often times I change her diaper with my eyes half opened and still in a state of somewhat sleeping. I change her diaper without wipeing to be as gentle as possible during nightime. When she wakes up in the morning, I take her over to the sink to wash and rinse her diaper area.

I'm sure that If you peed into your panties, and kept them on overnight, you'd think twice about leaving your baby in a wet diaper.

[rmzbm]

Thank you, to those who get it...you're posts restore some of my faith in common sence. No, I am not suggesting you set an alarm & awaken every hour...I AM suggesting that if you are aware a diaper is wet - change it! It really couldn't be simpilar. I know you're tired & I understand that, changing diapers in the middle of the night sucks, I don't enjoy it! But, as I see it, I signed up for late nights when I decided to become a mother. You just do it & try to go back to sleep knowing it will all be over way too soon! C'mon, deep down you MUST know leaving a wet diaper on a baby is a bad idea!?

[susieinms]

Originally Posted by vietsabien

Oh my gosh. How could anyone leave their baby soaking in urine overnight? I don't purposely leave my baby unchanged all night long. I use pocket diapers or stay-dry doublers because just in case I can't change her right after she goes, It buys me a little time. In other words, a baby should be changed as soon as they pee or poop. No exceptions. Often times I change her diaper with my eyes half opened and still in a state of somewhat sleeping. I change her diaper without wipeing to be as gentle as possible during nightime. When she wakes up in the morning, I take her over to the sink to wash and rinse her diaper area.

I'm sure that If you peed into your panties, and kept them on overnight, you'd think twice about leaving your baby in a wet diaper.

Vietsabien,
If I were to change my mommie cloth every time it was wet at night I would have to sleep on the toilet...LITERALLY!! I am a constant bleeder. But with the right amount of absorbancy I sleep perfectly sound with no fleece.

I wonder with a pp, are we to set an alarm clock? How are we to know when the baby is wet if they don't wake. Maybe we should leave a finger between the cover and the diaper so that when that warm moisture hits it we would wake up???

It makes no since to me. The baby is all the alarm anyone needs. If they are not happy with the wet dipe they will let you know. My baby lets me know that she is not happy being woke up for a diaper change.

[PrettyBird]

Originally Posted by susieinms

Vietsabien,
If I were to change my mommie cloth every time it was wet at night I would have to sleep on the toilet...LITERALLY!! I am a constant bleeder. But with the right amount of absorbancy I sleep perfectly sound with no fleece.

I wonder with a pp, are we to set an alarm clock? How are we to know when the baby is wet if they don't wake. Maybe we should leave a finger between the cover and the diaper so that when that warm moisture hits it we would wake up???

It makes no since to me. The baby is all the alarm anyone needs. If they are not happy with the wet dipe they will let you know. My baby lets me know that she is not happy being woke up for a diaper change.

I am wondering this too...I wake up when DD wakes up during the night. I check her then, but usually we both sleep for 4-5 hour stretches. Am I supposed to set my alarm for every hour to check her diaper? Is that what you do those of you with the rude posts? Or does your child wake you up every time they wet?

[amym72]

Originally Posted by rmzbm

Thank you, to those who get it...you're posts restore some of my faith in common sence. No, I am not suggesting you set an alarm & awaken every hour...I AM suggesting that if you are aware a diaper is wet - change it! It really couldn't be simpilar. I know you're tired & I understand that, changing diapers in the middle of the night sucks, I don't enjoy it! But, as I see it, I signed up for late nights when I decided to become a mother. You just do it & try to go back to sleep knowing it will all be over way too soon! C'mon, deep down you MUST know leaving a wet diaper on a baby is a bad idea!?

I and several others here have stated repetedly that we did/do change our babies as soon as they woke up and/or when we woke up and you still flamed us saying we were leaving them sitting in their own waste? It seems you are the one who "Doesn't get it" The way you have stated is the baby should be changed as soon as they wet every single time. I, like a pp had a dd that did not wake up right away when she was wet, if she didn't start making any sounds I would not wake up so therefor I would have had to set the alarm for every hour to check her to see if she was wet or like a pp stated sleep with my finger in her diaper!!! I am a very light sleeper as soon as any of my dc would make the slightest sound I would be awake, see if they were hungry and check their diaper. When dd was a newborn she got changed at least every two hours during the night. I went through approximately 18 diapers a day till she was much older and then at least 12 untill she got to the age where she was holding her urine for longer periods. Even with my oldest who I mostly used disposibles I went throught close to 18 diapers a day. People were telling me I was wasting diapers, that disposible held alot and I didn't need to change right away and I even knew people that only used 5-6 disposibles on a small baby per day!!! BTW-it's sense not sence (common sense). Please tell us what made you "aware" that your baby was wet? was it that they started making sounds, woke up? Because if that is it then you did the exact same thing as I did. Also what type of diapers did you use, what type do you use now? It seems like everyone is getting mad about something that I think we are all doing the same way we are just stating it differently.

To the poster that was saying that babies get used to being wet and take longer to PL. I think in a way that is true, but it's opposite with disposibles, they keep them so dry that they never know they are wet to know they don't want to be wet and want to go to the bathroom. Also my dd who was cd'd full time started pL'ing at 18 months and was fully out of diapers during the day by 2. It took a little longer for her to get out of night time diapers.

[alegna]

Originally Posted by rmzbm

Thank you, to those who get it...you're posts restore some of my faith in common sence. No, I am not suggesting you set an alarm & awaken every hour...I AM suggesting that if you are aware a diaper is wet - change it! It really couldn't be simpilar. I know you're tired & I understand that, changing diapers in the middle of the night sucks, I don't enjoy it! But, as I see it, I signed up for late nights when I decided to become a mother. You just do it & try to go back to sleep knowing it will all be over way too soon! C'mon, deep down you MUST know leaving a wet diaper on a baby is a bad idea!?

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But honestly this just seems to be something that doesn't horrify some people. I don't get it. If I woke up and dd was wet, I changed her (whether or not SHE woke up) And during the day, whenever she was wet, I changed her.

I don't know if it was disposable diapers that did it or something else in our culture, but there is a widespread feeling that it's okay to leave a baby in a wet diaper. My MIL and I have this discussion often. She is totally grossed out by it two- when she had babies, she changed when they were wet (and it was old cloth diapers and pins- nothing to keep them feeling dry) She is really truly disturbed by babies left sitting in their own waste. Unfortunately her other DIL with kids doesn't feel that way.

-Angela

[PrettyBird]

Originally Posted by alegna

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But honestly this just seems to be something that doesn't horrify some people. I don't get it. If I woke up and dd was wet, I changed her (whether or not SHE woke up) And during the day, whenever she was wet, I changed her.

I don't know if it was disposable diapers that did it or something else in our culture, but there is a widespread feeling that it's okay to leave a baby in a wet diaper. My MIL and I have this discussion often. She is totally grossed out by it two- when she had babies, she changed when they were wet (and it was old cloth diapers and pins- nothing to keep them feeling dry) She is really truly disturbed by babies left sitting in their own waste. Unfortunately her other DIL with kids doesn't feel that way.

-Angela

So technically she sits in her own waste until you wake up, right?

[alegna]

Originally Posted by PrettyBird

So technically she sits in her own waste until you wake up, right?

True. And if the diaper felt cold I felt badly. I feel like it's my responsibility. And fwiw I usually woke up when she peed. She rarely peed while totally asleep, so she stirred.

-Angela

[alegna]

AND I would NEVER consider NOT changing a wet diaper. THAT'S the part I simply can't fathom.

-Angela

[rmzbm]

If you KNOW it's wet you should change it. Obviously, until you are aware you cannot. Nitpick much? Sometimes I awaken at night while DD is still sleeping & my hand goes straight to the diaper to make certain she is dry. If she isn't she gets changed, if that wakes her - so be it. She will sleep again! But she never sleeps through being wet - she HATES it, maybe cuz she's so used to being changed every single times there's a drop of wetness. I wouldn't WANT her to get to the point of not caring.

[rmzbm]

Originally Posted by alegna

AND I would NEVER consider NOT changing a wet diaper. THAT'S the part I simply can't fathom.

-Angela

Exactly...seems like certain posters are back peddeling here!

[susieinms]

Originally Posted by rmzbm

If you KNOW it's wet you should change it. Obviously, until you are aware you cannot. Nitpick much? Sometimes I awaken at night while DD is still sleeping & my hand goes straight to the diaper to make certain she is dry. If she isn't she gets changed, if that wakes her - so be it. She will sleep again! But she never sleeps through being wet - she HATES it, maybe cuz she's so used to being changed every single times there's a drop of wetness. I wouldn't WANT her to get to the point of not caring.

My babies came into the world not caring since they were totally wet for 9 months previously. And you know what, GOD did that!! It may not have been urine, but it seemed to have had the same effect...none at all.

Just for the record. I change my baby very often durring the day, some may even consider me obsessive, but that matters as much to me as your opinon of me letting my dd sleep. What matters to me is a happy healthy baby. She's doing fine thank you very much. If I were to disturb her and cause her to loose sleep seems to me that that would be less healthy than having a little pee on her shinny pink, healthy rear end. BTW Diareah and rash are all gone and I didn't have to change her at 2 am either.

[rmzbm]

Oh, come on!

I guess we just aren't going to agree.

I'll keep changing my baby & you keep...doing whatever it is you do...sleeping, I guess.

[alegna]

Exactly. It seems to be a different mind set. For whatever reason some parents aren't horrified by the thought of choosing to leave their tiny baby sitting in their own waste I don't understand it at all, but I accept that they aren't as horrified by it as you and I are.

-Angela

[susieinms]

Okay here is a poll for you two ladies that think the rest of the world is wrong:
http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/...ght=poll+sleep

[susieinms]

Originally Posted by rmzbm

Oh, come on!

I guess we just aren't going to agree.

I'll keep changing my baby & you keep...doing whatever it is you do...sleeping, I guess.

You just get sweeter with every post don't you?