Labial Adhesion issues,alternatives? - Page 2

[TanyaS]

Subbing because my 4 month old has an adhesion. It's not fully closed, but most of it is fused. I want to know what I could to to prevent further adhering. At this point I want to leave it alone. I was hoping for something other than petroleum based. I'll have to try the lanolin first. I'll be watching to see what works for others!

[mamak05]

subbing - found out a 7 months and she's 16 months now. We're just watching and waiting, but I don't want it to close all the way!

[BlueEyedBabies]

Wow more and more mamas keep posting to this thread about their dd having this problem. I hope we all can figure out something that works! I ordered a few herbal things and different oils to mix-up and try. I'm still waiting on them to come in the mail. I don't know if any of it will work though,but it's worth a good try

[crazy_eights]

If they are not causing problems, you can leave it alone. As they mature, it resolves on it's own (most resolve by age 6).

[mamak05]

Cloth vs Disposables and labial adhesions

For those of you with dd's still in diapers are you using cloth or disposables and why?

We started in cloth and she got HORRIBLE rashes so we needed to switch to disposables to help her heal. I know that rash is what caused her adhesions because I saw it but didn't realize that adhesions could occur.

We're now back in cloth, but I still have concerns about rash coming back, so wanted to hear what others think/have experienced.

[BlueEyedBabies]

Originally Posted by mamak05

For those of you with dd's still in diapers are you using cloth or disposables and why?

We started in cloth and she got HORRIBLE rashes so we needed to switch to disposables to help her heal. I know that rash is what caused her adhesions because I saw it but didn't realize that adhesions could occur.

We're now back in cloth, but I still have concerns about rash coming back, so wanted to hear what others think/have experienced.

Sorry I didn't realize you had asked a question till now For me....our dd got the adhesion once she stopped being in diapers( I used cloth).
It seems like a logical reason why your dd got the adhesion though,with having bad rashes and irritated skin I hope it doesn't happen again and maybe the adhesion will slowly open back up the longer she goes without any irritation?:
I know... I didn't realize adhesions could occur either! When I noticed dd I thought OMG where's her yoni : LOL

[Annikate]

Originally Posted by mamak05

For those of you with dd's still in diapers are you using cloth or disposables and why?

We started in cloth and she got HORRIBLE rashes so we needed to switch to disposables to help her heal. I know that rash is what caused her adhesions because I saw it but didn't realize that adhesions could occur.

We're now back in cloth, but I still have concerns about rash coming back, so wanted to hear what others think/have experienced.

I used cloth when she was a newborn but we've done sposies ever since. I really have considered going back to cloth though wondering if it'd help.

FWIW, I've been using emu cream on dd (rubbing it in gently as you would the estrogen cream) and it's holding its own - not closing any more. I hope it stays that way!

If you don't know, emu cream is amazing stuff. It works for all sorts of things from scrapes to burns, to sore muscles and all kinds of skin stuff.

[leighann79]

My DD is 13 months old now, but I noticed that she had this too. She is closed about 1/2 to 2/3s of the way. The first time I noticed, she was still in disposables and had never had a rash. The only thing I could think of was that the disposables had made her too dry and that caused the adhesions. I try to use some kind of moisturizer each time I change her diaper and it doesn't seem to be getting worse. I haven't even mentioned it to her Dr because I don't want him to try to push the hormones.

[mamak05]

Thanks for the responses about the diapers.

We were at our new ped today and she gave me a script for Premarin and seemed concerned that we use it. DD is not fully closed and I'm not 100% comfortable with using hormone cream. Our old ped said we could just leave it (her 3 year old was totally fused). I will keep watching this thread and be doing some more reading on my own!

[mamak05]

Originally Posted by Annikate

I used cloth when she was a newborn but we've done sposies ever since. I really have considered going back to cloth though wondering if it'd help.

FWIW, I've been using emu cream on dd (rubbing it in gently as you would the estrogen cream) and it's holding its own - not closing any more. I hope it stays that way!

If you don't know, emu cream is amazing stuff. It works for all sorts of things from scrapes to burns, to sore muscles and all kinds of skin stuff.

What brand of emu cream are you using? Is it cream or oil? I just did a google search and came up with lots of varieties.

[Annikate]

Originally Posted by mamak05

What brand of emu cream are you using? Is it cream or oil? I just did a google search and came up with lots of varieties.

Hmmm, sorry, we don't have a brand, per se. MIL gets it from a place near her that raises the emus and makes it themselves, so it comes in plain, unmarked jars.

I'd bet they're all the same though.

[mamak05]

Originally Posted by Annikate

Hmmm, sorry, we don't have a brand, per se. MIL gets it from a place near her that raises the emus and makes it themselves, so it comes in plain, unmarked jars.

I'd bet they're all the same though.

ok - thanks. Nice that you have such a direct source!

[jenkuh]

I'm glad I found this thread also. My DD has this as well. We tried the permarin and it opened back up (this was a long time ago). I felt really uncomfortable using it as well and have since just left it alone. It closes a bit and then opens a bit. I've just been keeping an eye on it. I also wonder why there is so little info about this!

[crazy_eights]

If it isn't causing a problem with blockage of urine or the like, why do people feel they need to treat it? Almost all cases resolve on their own by age 6.

[TanyaS]

Does anyone have any idea how much is too much to be closed? Dd is not completely adhered. It seems to be getting more and more closed. I'm not doing anything at this time for it except making sure she stays clean and free of irritants. She has a small opening at the bottom of the vaginal area about the size of the tip of a thermometer. That's the smallest thing I can think of to give you an idea! She used to have a slightly smaller opening at the top of the labia, but it has adhered now, too. I'd estimate that she is 85% closed.

I took her to the pedi to get more info than google can provide and he had never seen it before. I gave him more info about it than he could give me!

[crazy_eights]

This is what I found:

Labial adhesions are generally asymptomatic and not a common cause of urologic or gynecologic morbidity. Labial adhesions occasionally cause outflow obstruction, leading to vaginal reflux of urine and subsequent vaginal leaking when the child stands after voiding.

So again - even if it is 100% and not causing a problem - why treat it with hormones when it will go away with the 'tincture of time'?

[mamak05]

Originally Posted by mom2seven

This is what I found:

So again - even if it is 100% and not causing a problem - why treat it with hormones when it will go away with the 'tincture of time'?

That's what I'm wondering too. I really don't want to use hormones on my 17 month old child! I mean what if this had happened when she was four and I never noticed it - it would be left alone and either resolve or we'd find out much later that it hadn't and go from there.

Of the two people I know who had this, one had her adhedsions pulled apart as a baby - OW! and has no issues now and one had to have surgery at age 18. Guess the drs want to avoid the remote likelihood of surgery or other issues and that's why they give the cream.

[Annikate]

Originally Posted by mom2seven

This is what I found:

So again - even if it is 100% and not causing a problem - why treat it with hormones when it will go away with the 'tincture of time'?

Because not all babies' adhesions close a certain amount and then stop yk? My dd's kept closing and closing and closing, and then you run a certain risk of UTIs etc.

This time, however, hers seems to be stable (with the help of emu cream every once in a while.)

[BlueEyedBabies]

Just checking back in to say I FINALLY got around to making a salve for DD.
I chose to go with Hops to make this salve(instead of using Black Cohosh). Hops was a little easier to mess with being a dried herb instead of a dried root.(I'm not exactly an expert when it come to making homemade stuff )

So I made and infused oil first, using Olive Oil,Almond Oil,and dried Hops. I then took some of that oil and added some beeswax to make a salve. I kept it pretty simple with the ingredients,the only thing I forgot to add that I wanted to put into it was Vit.E oil ....but oh well.

I will use it for a week or so and keep a close eye on my 2 yr.old Dd. I have no idea if this salve will be to strong,not strong enough or not do a darn thing! We will see,I'm just "wing'n it" and trying whatever sounds like it might have a tiny chance of doing something LOL! I put the hops salve on DD last night and so far no problems with irritation or redness etc.

After using it for a week or so I will check back in here and post if any results have happened.

I found this info about Hops,just for your info .....
....Though it is most widely used today as a sedative for insomnia,stress,and tension, hops also has strong estrogenic properties. It is excellent for regulating and balancing hormonal production,and especially for treating those imbalances due to stress and nervousness.Hops is also useful for stimulating milk production.
..... hops contains high concentrations of plant hormones that have estrogenlike effects on the female system. The amount of these plant hormones found in fresh hops is considerable and the effects of using it for regulating and balancing the hormonal action is quite remarkable. The hormonal effects lessen as the plant dries.

well have to see if this works,it says the hormonal effects lessen when the plant is dried,but that might be a good thing to keep it mild:

[TanyaS]

Jaime, I read recently that flax oil applied to the adhesion can work because of the same estrogen-like properties. I've tried it, but not consistently. I'm just trying to keep it from adhering further as she's at least 90% closed. Has anyone tried or heard of the flax oil for adhesions?