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post #1 of 23
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I know saying that homeschoolers are having touble socializing is a bit unpopular. The whole socialiation mantra. But what if you are having trouble? We see lots of kids each week but are having trouble moving it from aquaitances to friends. Our 6 yo is very scial and gregarious. From a very young age he's had friends and made friends easily. Until this year.

We moved here two years ago when he was 4. Most of our socializing was with my ap moms group I found. That was fine at 4 and even 5 but this year there is no one close to his age left. They've all gone to school. We still see them and my younger two like it but he usually doesn't want to go.

Two years ago we also joined a hs group but you see different people at each field trip and park days have a huge age range. He's just never seemed to click with anyone there. I don't know whether it's that they all knew each other first or what but they don't seem very inviting (cool field trips though )

He's also been taking classes at a local art center for about two years. He'd always talked about kids each session. Last year he became friends with two different children. Both went to school this year and live pretty far away. He moved into the 6 - 9 yo homeschool group. I thought it would be great; this way if he befriended anyone they'd be hs'ers. They'd be available for playdates and parks. But he's never mentioned anyone even when asked.

He just started a hs enrichment program this year. It's a K-1 class for hs'ers one day a week. It's at a school and they do art, music, pe, computers, library, etc (all the enrichments, no reading, math) He loves the program. He always says he only plays with one girl. We've given her our name and phone number with a note saying to call if she ever wants a play date. I've met the mom a few times and gotten an enthusiastic 'yes, she talks about him all the time' followed by a noncommital 'um, playdates, gotta go'.

He's also in swimming and gymnastics but those are classes where you are supposed to listen not goof around.

At his bday this year the only kids he wanted to invite were the kids from my moms group (that are all in school and now only invite their school friends to their parties) and the one girl from his enrichment class that didn't come.

He's around kids a lot. I know he does a lot but that's because he loved being around other children. Other than joining a new homeschool group I don't know how to help. He really wants his own friends that could come over for playdates or sleepovers or meet at the park.

We don't know what to do but it's breaking our hearts. We seem too mainstream for the vegan, no electronic having, hs'ers and way too crunchy for the school at home, mainstreamers.
post #2 of 23
I had this problem with my oldest DS. He would go to homeschool classes in the area and still wouldn't talk with other kids or try to get to know them. I couldn't do it for him. It got very hard. It got much easier for him and his brother once they started school outside the home because then they were in class all day with the same kids day after day.
post #3 of 23
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Originally Posted by mommy68 View Post
I had this problem with my oldest DS. He would go to homeschool classes in the area and still wouldn't talk with other kids or try to get to know them. I couldn't do it for him. It got very hard. It got much easier for him and his brother once they started school outside the home because then they were in class all day with the same kids day after day.
Oh he's trying. That's the painful part. He's literally dancing at the edge of these groups trying to play with them (well the only time I see it is park day for our hs group) but no one seems to let him in.

I don't know if it's that we've been joining groups that have been together for years. And if that's the problem, how do you fix it?
post #4 of 23
Move by me and our kids can be friends.
post #5 of 23
We are having the same problem. We are part of some very nice groups, and our kids all hit it off well...but we live on opposite sides of the city. Im far west, everyone else is east. My boys really want friends and it just makes me feel sad.
post #6 of 23
Karen, as you know Abi is in a charter school now. I have to say, she has the same problem. At school they are pretty structured and there's not much room to have free play. They have some, but still, not the same as a playdate. I actually have Abi handing out little cards this week that say "Wanna have a playdate? Call me" and our number and her name on them. She wants to have some playdates when the break happens.

I see very few kids these days having close friends, in school or out of school, unless you get the playdates going. I think it's a symptom of our super-protective culture. Even in our own neighborhood the kids don't really play together all that much. They are too busy with their after school classes and church and stuff. I live in a cul-de-sac and every house, about 7 in a row, have children old enough to play. And I see very little free play going on.

I hope you are able to find some friends for him. And if you want to have a play date during winter break, call me.
post #7 of 23
I could have written your post word for word. We love homeschooling but my DD who is 8.5 yo is VERY social and an extravert. We try to socialize but it is the same with us... she's well socialized but only with aquaintances... they never grow to more. We always seem to be the outsiders, too (we moved 2 years ago from south TX to Detroit). Never quite fitting in regardless of how often I give invitations for playdates, sleepovers, etc at my house.

And DD is desparate, literally is crying, for friendships. I see it really affecting her self-esteem greatly. The one close friend she does have, she doesn't get to see often... once a week for maybe 30 minutes if we are lucky.

I also have the added burden of a big age gape between my DDs. (Sounds like you have this problem, too.) Most field trips/HS group get togethers are geared for the older age group, leaving me with trying to keep DD2 out of trouble in non-baby-proofed homes and areas, and dealing with interrupted nap times. But if I plan things to relate to the toddler age group, DD1 is bored to tears. Put on top of that, DD2 is clearly a homebody. Tears and screaming follow multiple or long outings.

Although we truly believe HSing is best for our kids, we wonder if DD1 is better off in a charter school or something... We keep hanging on thinking and looking for solutions...

So I" have no advice and am subbing this thread to see what others have to say but wanted to let you know we can definitely relate to your situation!
post #8 of 23
Have you taken the initiative to call any of these moms and invite them and their kid(s) over? I know you said you gave someone your name and number and asked them to call, but I would start with calling them yourself. Tell the mom your son has talked about her child and wants to have him/her over to play and that you'd love to have tea and chat with the mom. Give a specific day and time, and, if you feel awkward just saying "Come over and play," plan an activity for the kids, such as baking cookies or decorating t-shirts. That takes the pressure off them (and the adults) to have a lot to say to each other the first time. That's where I'd start. My three kids are homeschooled and most of their friends are kids whose moms I am friends with. And that's part of the reason we wanted to homeschool, so that we would really know the kids our friends play with.

With the homeschool group kids not really letting him in, call those kids individually and ask them to come over. Let your son form friendships with them outside the group and they will probably start including him at group functions.

Namaste!
post #9 of 23
I have had this issue with my kids as well.This was one of the main reasons dd wanted to try ps,and sadly that issue is still there despite having 20 classmates.I had a friend who had kids around the same age,and I would constantly get them together.That worked out great,but now we live an hour away.

We just have to keep trying, and eventually the kids will find someone they click with.

ps.we have done the cards too!
post #10 of 23
My kids have many acquaintances, but only a few friends.

And I've noticed that their friends are the children of the mamas I befriend, for various reasons. Like-minded mamas tend to raise like-minded kids. Mamas get together, so kids get together. Etc.

We used to be a military family and have moved a lot, so my kids have had the experience of always having to break through into new cliques. We recently moved to a new town (still in the same area, though) and have joined up with a homeschooling group that's nearer to us than it used to be. These kids have all grown up together and aren't unfriendly, but they also do other stuff together (like boy scouts) that my kids aren't interested in, so it's harder for them to "belong" in this particular group.

But we still have our older hs group, and a handful of good friends. It's not possible to have a playdate every day, though, since none of them live in our neighborhood. That's just one of the downsides to hsing, IMO. My 11yo wants a lot in the way of social time, and he doesn't get enough. Although, I might add that he has made no effort to get to know kids in our actual neighborhood. We moved from the suburbs to a more urban area, and I think the kids intimidate him here.
post #11 of 23
We are considering homeschooling for our son (currently in public K) and what you are experiencing is one of our greatest worries about HSing.
post #12 of 23
so far the only friends dd has made were the ones she made in public school last year. i too echo the sentiment that yes we can go to a lot of hs events but the cast always changes or the time is spent on a scheduled event ie swim lessons. the kids dont get much of a chance to build any connections
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by dharmamama View Post
Have you taken the initiative to call any of these moms and invite them and their kid(s) over? I know you said you gave someone your name and number and asked them to call, but I would start with calling them yourself. Tell the mom your son has talked about her child and wants to have him/her over to play and that you'd love to have tea and chat with the mom. Give a specific day and time, and, if you feel awkward just saying "Come over and play," plan an activity for the kids, such as baking cookies or decorating t-shirts. That takes the pressure off them (and the adults) to have a lot to say to each other the first time. That's where I'd start. My three kids are homeschooled and most of their friends are kids whose moms I am friends with. And that's part of the reason we wanted to homeschool, so that we would really know the kids our friends play with.

With the homeschool group kids not really letting him in, call those kids individually and ask them to come over. Let your son form friendships with them outside the group and they will probably start including him at group functions.

Namaste!
Another possibility...our homeschool group is such that you can set up a regular group "class," such as spanish or sign language or whatnot. Despite having a large homeschool group, these classes tend to be smaller (3-5 kids), meet regularly, and have the same attendees. This could be another way to meet some folks, and get to know them better.

I think it's tough for lots of people (adults, too!) to break out of a comfortable pack of friends and get to know a new person. Good luck!
post #14 of 23
Wow! I'm surprised so many others have this same problem. I thought it was just us!

So, what's the solution? Is there even one? Obviously, many are saying that public school doesn't really solve the problem. I know I have personally held "classes" and/or activities to get children into my home and have allowed lots of freedom for them to make friends. I even had a weekly playdate set up where I had 5 girls come over to play for 3 hours each week. This lasted for about 1.5 years but then... well... let's just say DD still has no real friends. It was great for socialization - she learned not to be too bossy, learned to share and consider other's opinions and ideas...

So, I found that once the "class" or activity was over, the "friendships" did not continue... So what could be some solutions to this dilemna?
post #15 of 23
We got to really know some families when we joined a co-op and ended up signing up for lessons for various things at the same time. It took some sustained interaction for the kids to get comfortable - something that is harder to do on a field-trip only basis.
The co-op was run in a member's home and had between 4-8 families. These families then started doing other things and friendships just evolved from there. It can take time, but it is worth pursuing.
Karen
post #16 of 23
This is the main thing that concerns me about homeschooling, also. I totally get the argument that homeschoolers can be socialized and learn the social rules with no problem.

But, going to lots of classes and activities, does not equal having friends. Many longterm friendships are built from proximity, don't you think? Family, going to school together, or living down the street, which provides lots of opportunities day in and day out to be together. Even many marriages I know of, had romances which were started this way--either in school, or at work. Do you all think this is harder, if you have younger children and are an introverted parent?

At what age is it developmentally normal to have close friendships, though? At what age do kids practically demand to be together with those few special people, vs. playing with just about anyone who is available? I always had best friends at public school, but I don't remember really wanting to get together with them a lot outside of school until more like 3rd or 4th grade. I suspect it is different for every child.
post #17 of 23
I agree you need to take the lead. I'd plan a simple activity of some sort and invite one, two or three kids and their parent to come over. You may not find a click the first, second or third time, but you need to keep trying. Also, you could talk it up in the bigger activities that you are looking for three or four families who want to start a smaller playgroup that meets every week at the same time. Kids need to have the opportunity on individual playdates or in small groups on a regular basis to develop friendships but for the little ones this really needs to be parent lead.

And, I disagree that you can't do it for them. My son had a hard time making friends. Basically, I looked for another kid who was nice but also seemed lost and tracked down his mom and started inviting them over. We both talked up a friendship for the kids and set up regular playdates and bingo...several years later they are still good friends.

The book Good Friends are Hard to Find http://www.amazon.com/Good-Friends-A.../dp/096220367X might give you some ideas on how to nurture friendships through playdates.
post #18 of 23
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Well we just got back from Mexico (USAmma I'm sorry I missed you; I've been wondering how school was going for both of you). I have decided it definitely isn't my son. He played soccer with different aged children that spoke Spanish, Italian and German and had a blast. He built sandcastles with kids from all over the world.

While waiting to board the plane from Cancun he sat next to a little boy that also had a leapster (hand held game). The laughed, swapped games and had a great time. The little boy spoke no English and all my son could say was 'hola' and 'adios amigo'. Then it turned out the were next to us for the two hour flight; had a blast the entire time. Then when the couldn't find us a gate and had to bring out a people mover they sat on the floor with their heads together laughing and whispering to each other even though they couldn't speak. So in Sergio, who is 5 and lives in Mexico City, he made an instant friend.

I had started to doubt because he was having such problems here. But it is apparently these children he's having trouble with. He had friends, that were the children of my like-minded friends, and they all went to school. Two years of trying homeschool groups hasn't worked. I'm going to try to be more proactive but I am also thinking of putting him in Montessori or something. We'll see. Today's our day to host the hs park playdate. We'll see if people show up and only play with each other again.
post #19 of 23
How well do you connect with the Moms who are bringing the kids over?

I think I would want to discuss this issue with one or two of the Mom's in the group. I'd try to think of activities, like ice breakers, that are designed to help people get to know others and interact with new people.

I'm new to homeschooling so I don't have much experience to stand on.
I just think the value of homeschooling is worth the effort of finding a new group or something...and I don't mean that in snarky way at all. I know you have been trying and this isn't easy for you. I wish you the best whatever you decide.
post #20 of 23
Karen, that's great that you all had such a fun time *and* you saw your DS blossom!!! Wow! I'm sure it has given you much more hope for your son!!

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How well do you connect with the Moms who are bringing the kids over?
I thought fairly well... really depends on the group, though. And being introverted *and* a SAHM, I find my range of topics is often limited to kids, diapers, parenting, HSing, and housework, YKWIM? Not very interesting to the mommas around here who like to gossip, have careers, and compare high-priced, high-end purses, makeup, shoes, and children's clothes. I'm not saying all of the mommas are like this but as Kellie related above (she lives 30 mins from me), many many are. I find it a regional attitude thing. I never had problems living in Florida or Texas... I don't know...

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I just think the value of homeschooling is worth the effort of finding a new group or something...
I agree or I wouldn't have posted seeking suggestions. Maybe I need to start my own homeschool group? Oh wait! I did start my own group (Ok... not HS specific, but of a topic I can relate to and with the ability to meet new moms) but although it has become a successful group, it hasn't helped me personally. <sigh>
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