Rileysmommy, so you had these fantastic births that you describe, bully for you. Missed your first response because I was too busy responding, heh heh. But go ahead and re-read zoebird's post, cause that's where I'm coming from.
I didn't come "home" (cause that's how I feel about UC) to vent about the fantastical BS that passed for a "happy birth" just to have someone else tell me that it's not all like that. Yeah, my nurses all thanked me for letting them participate in my births, I was amazing, I was unreal.. with my ds's birth the nurse was as good as they get, and was THRILLED to get to witness a natural birth because in THIRTEEN YEARS she hadn't ever been to one and was retiring the next week. She still just up and bathed my child w/o asking about it. They still came and woke me up to go weigh him in the middle of the night...and give him a bath a day later.. cause, yk, dh and I kept taking him outside to play in the mud. (??)
With my dd's birth it was "she does this stuff... almost (dare she say it) instinctively,
" this comment being in response to how I coped with pain... well NO KIDDING... I've actually GOT THEM, you know!! Instincts, that is. But they wouldn't allow me sleep in the same bed with my daughter. They kept coming in and waking us up, (after we'd finally get to sleep) telling me that if I kept falling asleep with her in my bed, they'd take her to the nursery. I left that hospital not even 24 hours after the birth. Pretty much just didn't sleep, cause they were NOT taking my child.
My question is WHYYYYY if your births are so fabulous are you doing them in a hospital? Why not just kick it at home? Why subject yourself to people coming into your room to make sure you're still there every two hours? I don't know what planet your on, or why the aliens there attend birth so beautifully, but it's NOT THE NORM. Not even close. Hospital births, no matter how lovely, disrupt the natural flow of a family's genesis, regardless of what number baby is being born.
I was NOT referencing UC transports. Most UC mamas that have to transport do it with a good partner in one hand and a baseball bat of info in the other, and they take control of the situation, allowing only what they want to happen to happen. Most UC mamas never have to transport to begin with.
I was referencing ELECTIVE hospital births. They violate women and a good 80% (my way conservative estimate) have no idea they've been violated because they are brainwashed to such a high degree it's almost respectable, but instead it's just heartbreaking. They have NO CLUE what they're missing, and that is beyond sad.
You may not be an uninformed mama, you may be all kinds of crunchy, but it's just silly to say you weren't trying to start an argument - especially if you knew where you were posting. And quite frankly, anyone espousing the glories of hospital births absolutely sounds deluded, if not uninformed, because, particularly if you have great births generally speaking, pregnancy and birth are not pathologies. They are naturally occurring events that we are designed to handle best without interference, so to then go ahead and subject yourself to that interference, regardless of your opinion of that interference, sounds downright ignorant to me.
I've had two unusually well-done hospital births, "I'm not some uninformed mama" posting about the violence of medicalized births without based on the bad experiences of others.
I'm sure it's "worth mentioning" to women who are nervous about their upcoming hospital birth that not all hospital births are horror stories. I can't see why under any circumstance it would be worth it to women who are here, and are presumably either dedicated UC'ers, or just "UC curious".
Whatever. I'm just more bijiggety tonight than usual, and rileysmommy, I bear you no personal ill will, it just *really* set me off that you came here trying to make a case for hospital birth. HERE. YOU CAME HERE. So... forgive my enthusiasm if it will make you feel better, I just didn't need to hear that tonight.
Pamamidwife - I totally agreed with your post. I'm really not sure what amazed me more, the violence, or the realization that 4-5 years ago, I would have considered it totally acceptable. And homebirth stories upset me too, in the same way. If only women could recognize the joy and satisfaction of taking control of their situation, while simultaneously giving themselves over to the powers (like I need to say this out loud, but JIC.. I'm not recognizing any human as a 'power' that be!!
) that be to guide themselves and their child through the journey of birth.
in spite of my reactionary feelings