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post #81 of 96
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Originally Posted by simplemama View Post

Another benefit to true abstinence-only education is that it educates girls and boys about how to avoid sticky situations when
out in public or socializing and dating etc. For me, I wish I would have learned more about this earlier as there were a few too many close calls for me and being violated so to say. I think girls especially need to understand that how they dress or act in front of guys has a bigger influence on them than most think.
How can abstinence-only education teach that in a way that teaching a kid about ALL options can't?

Teaching teens about BC and safer-sex doesn't mean that they will all go grab some condoms and have sex with anyone just because "it's safe!!!". You can teach them about all possible BC forms and the facts about them - including saying that abstinence is the only 100% safe way to avoid pregnancy and STDs, you can teach them about the emotional aspects of sex, and they could still decide to not have sex before marriage. Or only to have sex in a committed relationship where they feel ready, safe, loved, etc.
post #82 of 96
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Originally Posted by simplemama View Post
Hpyothetically, say your parents raised you differently, and say you would have used protection, doing it exactly as directed, and then had found yourself in the same problems, who would you have blamed then?
Are you saying that I'm "blaming" my parents? I took responsibility for my actions and bore the consequences. I spent years beating myself up about it, until I finally decided to forgive my barely 17 year-old-self. I forgive my parents, too. They have realized that they were not realistic now that all three of their daughters had premarital sex (and my sister very sadly had an abortion).

I believe parents are reponsible for teaching their children about sexual health and development. Parents need to accept that their children are separate people and will make their own decisions.

By the way, I've kept up with the research and the incidence of cervical squamous lesions with 100% condom use is zero. So, in your hypothetical situation, I simply would have been fine. Even if I had somehow acquired an STD, I would have been getting regular GYN exams, so I would have known and been treated early.
post #83 of 96
When I was in school, I was horrified at the thought of being forced to go to a typical sex-ed class, seminar, whatever. I still am. I was more than happy to have a free pass to the library for the day!


I would much prefer my kids to go through an abstinance class. If they want information beyond that, they can talk to my husband and I, or they can research the subject themselves. This is how I learned, myself - and continue to learn.
post #84 of 96
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Originally Posted by KangaTwo View Post
I would much prefer my kids to go through an abstinance class. If they want information beyond that, they can talk to my husband and I, or they can research the subject themselves. This is how I learned, myself - and continue to learn.

ummm Wow, I am in shock that a parent would say this.

It sounds to me, and correct me if I am wrong, that you are only going to talk to your kids about sex IF they ask you. If not the should find out on their own??

I would have never went to my parents with questions about sex. Anything I learned I learned from school, my friends, and my ex bf's mother. (learned more than a 16 year old needed to know from the later. ) Waiting for your kids to ask you is a recipe for misinformation. Unless you have a VERY open relationship they are not going to come to you. They will go to their friends. This is where they will learn things such as, "you can't get pregnant your first time," "if you douche you wont get pregnant."

Kids should be given the TRUTHFUL facts. Not a bunch of make believe stuff to "Scare" them away from sex.
post #85 of 96
I also don't want my kids to believe the fallacy that they will be fully protected by birth control, internal and external.

Whether we approach our kids about sex or they approach us is a bridge that we have not come to yet, and hopefully will not have to for some time. When the time comes, the decision whether to approach them will be partially dependent on our observations. What are their friends like? Are they giving a sense that does not sit well with my husband and I? Do our kids give a sense that something is not as it appears? If it appears to us to be a necessary topic to bring up, it will be brought up. Not every teenager is going to be going around having sex by the time they're 15. My parents didn't have any need to go in-depth with me about sex or it's consequences. It was, however, stressed very strongly that it was important to never let ourselves be in a situation where we could be tempted, e.g. alone and secluded with the opposite sex. A lot better philosophy, IMO, than "well, you shouldn't have sex because these things could happen, but since you probably can't control yourself, try these."

My sex ed consisted of the "where babies come from" book I got when I was like 5 and the information I looked up on my own in our Encyclopedias, and then after we had internet access, what I found online. I wouldn't have asked a friend any sooner than I would have asked a parent. I understand that I am likely a rare breed, but you have to understand that my kind does exist.

My parents also kept an eye on the kinds of friends we had, and had no problem telling us if they thought there was something they didn't think was right.

I honestly don't believe that the abstinance classes are to give bad information to scare children away from having sex. Why should they be led to believe that they are not able to control their actions, and so should rely on a drug? Whatever happened to Just Say No? Children don't have to have drugs or sex to enjoy their lives.

Would it make you happier if students (and their parents) were able to choose between an abstinence class and a sex ed class? Either way, I would want to attend the session as well - my child would not be there if I could not.
post #86 of 96
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Originally Posted by KangaTwo View Post
Whether we approach our kids about sex or they approach us is a bridge that we have not come to yet, and hopefully will not have to for some time. When the time comes, the decision whether to approach them will be partially dependent on our observations. What are their friends like? Are they giving a sense that does not sit well with my husband and I? Do our kids give a sense that something is not as it appears? If it appears to us to be a necessary topic to bring up, it will be brought up. Not every teenager is going to be going around having sex by the time they're 15. My parents didn't have any need to go in-depth with me about sex or it's consequences. It was, however, stressed very strongly that it was important to never let ourselves be in a situation where we could be tempted, e.g. alone and secluded with the opposite sex. A lot better philosophy, IMO, than "well, you shouldn't have sex because these things could happen, but since you probably can't control yourself, try these."
Well, since you admit you were a rare breed as a teen, let me fill you in a little on what I was like, and what my friends were like. I'm fairly certain we had a variety of different forms of sex ed other than school. The only person I knew that even came close to sticking to har parents' morals was LDS, and even she went "further" than they would have probably liked before she got married. Her brother, raised by the same faily, just 3 years older, broke with the faith and was the "black sheep" and had a baby without being married to the mother.

My mom was a CNM, my dad a doctor. They informed me really really well. I still was in no way comfortable talking to them aboux sex (or drugs for that matter) when I was a teen, even though our relationship was pretty good. I had a 3.5 GPA, no signs (to them) that anything was out of the ordinary. I lied. I snuck out of my house. I slept with guys fully 10 years older than I was. I did protect myself though. Most of my friends were doing the same kind of thing. The one who had a boyfriend that her mom didn't like, she was told that she couldn't see him anymore. She ran away from home, drove across the country, and nearly married him in a state with a lower age of consent. She was in the gifted program with me.

I wouldn't count on being able to tell whether your child's friends are "ok" to hang out with. I actually, sadly, think you might not even be able to believe what your child says. I hope to have a good relationship with my kids, and maybe they will talk to me about it. But honestly, when the hormones plus the embarrassment, plus the peers being so much more important than parents kicks in, I really hope they are well prepared(by me) with a good solid background in self-respect, the ability to say no (if they want to) and the means to protect themselves if they don't.
post #87 of 96
I am in my early 30's. I went to Catholic school (ie. definately abstinace only ed. at that point!). By the time I was in 8th grade, there were a few kids in my class who already chose not to wait. My 8th grade teacher took us girls aside and told us like it was. It was needed and I am glad she risked her job to do it. She saw what was going on, had a straight A catholic school teen daughter who had her own baby already. Many kids had no other adult break it down besides her.
post #88 of 96
I have to agree with the prev. poster. I was a virgin longer than any of my friends and I was 16 1/2 when I had sex the first time.

I waited that long because of the sex ed I got. I was terrified of getting pregnant. TERRIFIED!

My mom talked to me about sex from the time I was 5 years old. I knew the technicalities of it. I knew that bc didn't always work but it was better than flying skin to skin.

My oldest two sons are 8 and 6. We just talked about sex. What it is, and what can happen.

Letting your kids find out about sex on their own and through their own research is leaving them to their peers and playboy. Playboy wouldn't be that bad. Their peers may tell them a coca-cola douche will keep you from getting pregnant.
post #89 of 96
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Originally Posted by Pynki View Post

Letting your kids find out about sex on their own and through their own research is leaving them to their peers and playboy. Playboy wouldn't be that bad. Their peers may tell them a coca-cola douche will keep you from getting pregnant.
post #90 of 96

I don't believe it!

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Originally Posted by AngelBee View Post

More than Iowa is freezing over right now I think. AB and I agreed on a thread!
post #91 of 96
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Originally Posted by Pynki View Post

More than Iowa is freezing over right now I think. AB and I agreed on a thread!
I was thinking the same thing!
post #92 of 96
Really shakes your belief system up when we agree doesn't it! :
post #93 of 96
ITA with both of you, Pynki and AB. When I was in hs, my mom worked at the teen clinic in town. Everyone knew it. Theses supposedly well-educated upper middle-class girls approached me with the most ridiculous questions and ideas. I herad it all. Standing up, Coke douches, your first time, etc. Also that you couldn't catch any STD's if you only had oral sex. Really scary inaccurate stuff!
post #94 of 96
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Originally Posted by Lousli View Post
I wouldn't count on being able to tell whether your child's friends are "ok" to hang out with. I actually, sadly, think you might not even be able to believe what your child says.
Fortunately, I don't have to rely on my own abilities. And I stand my ground on my position.
post #95 of 96
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Fortunately, I don't have to rely on my own abilities. And I stand my ground on my position.
I hope you are still as sure of your position 10 years from now. More, I hope no one suffers due to a lack of education.
post #96 of 96
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Fortunately, I don't have to rely on my own abilities. And I stand my ground on my position.
Just curious.....are you homeschooling or public/private school?
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