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post #1 of 12
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I have done every possible thing to get this baby to turn head down. He wiggles and bumps but doesn't swim down. I spent 4 freakin' hours on hands and knees, did moxibustion 2x per day, took homeopathics and about 10 other things to turn him. Last night I was sure he'd turn. He was so active. But no.

So this morning I cannot stop crying at the prospect of having another c-section.

Please turn baby.
post #2 of 12
I'm so sorry you're going through this!

Has your midwife tried an external version? I know it doesn't work for everyone (I know someone who had FOUR, including one after the onset of labor, and her baby kept flipping back), but it might be worth a try...
post #3 of 12
Oh, I am so sorry It's got to be so hard to be worrying about this right now. Sending you baby turning vibes...
post #4 of 12
If you're doing everything possible and the baby still won't turn, maybe there is a physiological reason for it at this point. I know that doesn't make everything better, but maybe the baby wants to turn, but just can't. It certainly takes the pressure off of you. We'll keep sending head-down vibes, mama. Try to relax and enjoy the holiday.
post #5 of 12
I'm just popping in from Feb... I'm sorry you are feeling so frustrated!! I did hear of something that might be worth a try if you can get to a pool... I am taking Bradley classes and our instructor's midwife used to tell her moms to get in a swimming pool and just do somersaults. She's apparently been able to get babies turned that way. In any case, the pool might feel good, takes weight off your back and could be relaxing...

Not sure if you wanted another suggestion to add to all the things you have tried so far...

Wish I knew better how to help!
post #6 of 12
I am so sorry that you are going through this. You have really been on my mind and I have been sending good thoughts your way. I hope what I'm about to say comes off as an encouraging statement, because that's the way I mean it: It's not over 'til it's over. There is still hope that you will get your VBAC - the baby could turn at any time.

I know you are pulling out all the tricks and doing everything you can. Just a question (and a personal story): Is there anything emotionally for you that might be keeping the baby from "heading on out?" The reason I ask is, my mom was pregnant with her 4th (and last) baby, my youngest sister, and the baby stayed breech until 10 days past her due date. My mom realized, with the help of her midwives, that subconciously she was sort of "keeping the baby in." It was her last pregnancy and in some ways she wasn't ready for it to be over, she was having a homebirth on an Air Force Base (which was illegal), and she was nervous because she was giving birth at age 31 (which is kind of funny these days, since that's a totally normal age, but I guess she felt like she was old). After she talked all of this out with her midwives, baby turned and she went into labor.

Anyhow, this might not be the case for you whatsoever, but I totally believe that the subconcious can have a great effect on the body, and it could be worth examining.

Turn, baby, turn!!!
post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by timneh_mom View Post
I'm just popping in from Feb... I'm sorry you are feeling so frustrated!! I did hear of something that might be worth a try if you can get to a pool... I am taking Bradley classes and our instructor's midwife used to tell her moms to get in a swimming pool and just do somersaults. She's apparently been able to get babies turned that way. In any case, the pool might feel good, takes weight off your back and could be relaxing...

Not sure if you wanted another suggestion to add to all the things you have tried so far...

Wish I knew better how to help!
I didn't try somersaults. I did try getting in the therapy pool (90 degrees) and doing handstands in 4' of water. Each and every time my shoulders got below my hips I had a strong contraction and came up sputtering for air. I think I freaked the lifeguard out. I might have to have help doing somersaults. I haven't been able to flip-turn since 6 months along. Dh sure as heck isn't going to help with something like that so I'll use a guest pass to the gym and see if my doula will help.

I wonder if it would work on land? I think I'll try in a little while.
post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by tannersmommy View Post
I am so sorry that you are going through this. You have really been on my mind and I have been sending good thoughts your way. I hope what I'm about to say comes off as an encouraging statement, because that's the way I mean it: It's not over 'til it's over. There is still hope that you will get your VBAC - the baby could turn at any time.

I know you are pulling out all the tricks and doing everything you can. Just a question (and a personal story): Is there anything emotionally for you that might be keeping the baby from "heading on out?" The reason I ask is, my mom was pregnant with her 4th (and last) baby, my youngest sister, and the baby stayed breech until 10 days past her due date. My mom realized, with the help of her midwives, that subconciously she was sort of "keeping the baby in." It was her last pregnancy and in some ways she wasn't ready for it to be over, she was having a homebirth on an Air Force Base (which was illegal), and she was nervous because she was giving birth at age 31 (which is kind of funny these days, since that's a totally normal age, but I guess she felt like she was old). After she talked all of this out with her midwives, baby turned and she went into labor.

Anyhow, this might not be the case for you whatsoever, but I totally believe that the subconcious can have a great effect on the body, and it could be worth examining.

Turn, baby, turn!!!
Thank you (and everyone else) for your good thoughts.

I have thought that maybe I'm blocking somehow and that's holding the baby up, literally. He's not engaged in my pelvis at all which is the complete opposite of ds#1, who was so low the entire time all he ever did was pound on my cervix. ds#1 birth was horribly traumatic for me. This entire pregnancy I've been obsessed with optimum fetal positioning trying to ensure I don't have another posterior baby. Guess that worked, huh. :

For those who haven't ever had a c/s, the scar is about an inch above the pelvic bone. This baby has never been below that. It has occurred to me that I'm holding him above the scar somehow. My question is, how do I get him lowered? I've talked through the previous birth several times and with a couple different people. Am I not saying the right things? I swear I will say/do anything. I even took hypnobirthing to get the "right" mindset. I practice all the time.

Accupuncture, Webster, prayer, haven't worked. I'll happily go to therapy if I have time and knew a good therapist to go to.
post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by skueppers View Post
I'm so sorry you're going through this!

Has your midwife tried an external version? I know it doesn't work for everyone (I know someone who had FOUR, including one after the onset of labor, and her baby kept flipping back), but it might be worth a try...
They don't want to do a version because of my previous c/s. I've tried gently turning him while I'm in the bath, just sort of rubbing all in the same direction. I even reached down for his hips to move those first, just in case the cord is tangled on his neck and it didn't show on the u/s (even though they specifically looked for a tangled cord and did not see one). Really, he doesn't move very far, but again I didn't force it. I was just sort of nudging.
post #10 of 12
wow, you sound llike you are doing everythiing you can for this baby to come out head first. this baby is so lucky to have you for a mom. Have you tried talking to the baby about what you want for it, your fears etc? in my last pregnancy i go a massage and relaxed untill i sort of felt just my soul not my body in the blackness of my closed eyes. and then spoke to my babies soul. it was a wonderful experience. but just getting in a relaxed headspace aone in the bath and talking to the baby about your birth feelings might help. or just be nice.
post #11 of 12
I'm going to repeat this on every breech thread I come across -- some babies are born breech by nature, at one time I read nearly 1/3 present breech which totally made sense with the rising c/s rate at 29.1%.

The fact remains that breech births are safe in the hands of qualified OBs, CNM or lay mws (CPMS, etc). The problem is finding a qualified practitioner since all breeches have been c/s for a while now.

1) automatic breech = c/s is no longer recommended
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From: midwiferesource@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:midwiferesource@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gloria Lemay
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:58 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: [midwiferesource] "Term Breech Trial" recommendations to section are withdrawn



Five years to the term breech trial: The rise and fall of a randomized controlled trial.
American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology. 194(1):20-25, January 2006.
Glezerman, Marek MD

Abstract:
Objective: On the basis of the end points of neonatal morbidity and death, the authors of the term breech trial concluded unequivocally that cesarean delivery was safer for breech babies.

Study design: Analysis of the original and new data gives rise to serious concerns as far as study design, methods, and conclusions are concerned. In a substantial number of cases, there was a lack of adherence to the inclusion criteria. There was a large interinstitutional variation of standard of care; inadequate methods of antepartum and intrapartum fetal assessment were used, and a large proportion of women were recruited during active labor. In many instances of planned vaginal delivery, there was no attendance of a clinician with adequate expertise.

Results: Most cases of neonatal death and morbidity in the term breech trial cannot be attributed to the mode of delivery. Moreover, analysis of outcome after 2 years has shown no difference between vaginal and abdominal deliveries of breech babies.

Conclusion: The original term breech trial recommendations should be withdrawn.

(C) Mosby-Year Book Inc. 2006. All Rights Reserved.
And more importantly -- 2) you have rights and you have the right to refuse recommended treatments
http://birthpolicy.org/primer.html
BirthPolicy.org is just full of good legal information for all moms

I choose to have my vba2c at home, I did this b/c I could not find a hospital or OB to take me on as a vbacer. I then also realized the hospital dictates my care through their policies, written by their malpractice insurance lawyers and I wanted out of the whole mess. I hate hospitals, always have and feel that they are no place to have a healthy baby.

If you really want a vbac, I mean really want it, you'll find a way to do it safely.

If you live in the Shenandoah Valley, I know of a great therapist who mostly deals with women and birth issues. She was just a wow experience for me.
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If you live in the Shenandoah Valley, I know of a great therapist who mostly deals with women and birth issues. She was just a wow experience for me.
Yes, I'm in the Shenandoah Valley. And I'm pm-ing you right now.
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