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post #21 of 32
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This is another important one as well, and they really need to sort this out. Because its part of the key.

But then I hesitate to say that, since everything they want to understand they also want a dollar value on it, so who knows how they will try to maximise returns on this?

But it will be a key for tetanus.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=16501849
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Autophagy delivers cytoplasmic constituents for lysosomal degradation. Recent studies have demonstrated that this pathway mediates resistance to pathogens and is targeted for immune evasion by viruses and bacteria. Lysosomal degradation products, including pathogenic determinants, are then surveyed by the adaptive immune system to elicit antigen-specific T cell responses. CD4(+) T helper cells have been shown to recognize nuclear and cytosolic antigens via presentation by major histocompatibility complex (MHC) class II molecules after autophagy. Furthermore, some sources of natural MHC class II ligands display characteristics of autophagy substrates, and autophagosomes fuse with late endosomes, in which MHC class II loading is thought to occur. Although MHC class II antigen processing via autophagy has so far mainly been described for professional antigen-presenting cells like B cells, macrophages, and dendritic cells, it might be even more important for cells with less endocytic potential, like epithelial cells, when these express MHC class II at sites of inflammation. Therefore, autophagy might contribute to immune surveillance of intracellular pathogens via MHC class II presentation of intracellular pathogen-derived peptides.
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Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara View Post
But kidspiration, they will say that natural immunity only applies to kids that live in hovels, eat dirt and don't have savlon obsessed parents.

Except if that is so, why did they do that huge push through mexico, south America and the phillipines over a decade ago, vaccinating all those women with tetanus vaccine.

Why only the women too?

That was the "smoke" that wouldn't go away, which was raised by a roman catholic priest in Mexico, who commented on internet that many of the vaccinated women were miscarrying or could no longer conceive. The vaccine was tested by three groups who found that it had hcg in it.

Then the women in other countries started to have the same thing happen, and the smoke became fire, and the WHO got involved and the official answer was "What rot. It's just conspiracist theorists abounding yet again."

But as the priest, and all the other people said at the time, if their focus was on tetanus protection for all why were only woman targetted? Dont' men get tetanus too?

The story remain unsatisfactorily unresolved.
you have me intrigued...... have any links on this?
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btw, am I the only one who copys and pastes every links info that MT posts incase it suddenly disappears from the net?
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But my youngest had a hobby of eating earwigs which I always found the abdomens of in his nappy, so maybe he's okay
ok thats gross......but I probably did the same thing, my mum would always wonder where I was and find me eating dirt in the garden.
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you have me intrigued...... have any links on this?
Only in fruitloop land. Put this Mexico Tetanus vaccine had Hcg in it miscarriages into google and see what you find.
post #28 of 32
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This one here http://www.geocities.com/titus2birthing/VacProLife.html says
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A recent study conducted by the Philippine Medical Association on behalf of the Philippine Department of Health revealed that almost 20 percent of the tetanus vaccine sampled positive for the hormone human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG), according to Human Life International. Vaccines containing the hormone immunize women not only against tetanus but also against pregnancy by inducing the body's immune system to attack the hormone needed to bring an unborn child to term."
Etc. read the rest
post #29 of 32
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http://www.abortionfacts.com/reardon..._and_ru486.asp

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The same BBC documentary reported that women in the Philippines and Mexico have also been used as guinea pigs for a new experimental pregnancy vaccine. The HCG vaccine makes a woman's body reject new pregnancies. …, it has been administered, without the consent or knowledge of patients, as a "piggyback" vaccine in a series of tetanus vaccine programs.
…But when women who had recently received the "tetanus vaccine" began having an inordinate number of miscarriages, this bureaucratic curiosity turned into charges of conspiracy. Subsequent lab tests of the tetanus vaccine confirmed it had indeed been laced with an HCG vaccine.
post #30 of 32
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By the way, the 1995 BBC Horizon program was called "The Human Laboratory", and was never shown in USA


WHO denied everything and claimed that the amounts of HCG in the vaccines were insignificant.

Ironic, then, that the very vaccine that medical studies had been talking about before the actual event, were the ones used in Mexico and phillipines....
post #31 of 32
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Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara View Post
By the way, the 1995 BBC Horizon program was called "The Human Laboratory", and was never shown in USA


WHO denied everything and claimed that the amounts of HCG in the vaccines were insignificant.

Ironic, then, that the very vaccine that medical studies had been talking about before the actual event, were the ones used in Mexico and phillipines....
wow, I wonder if I can get a hold of a copy of that through the BBC
post #32 of 32
To add to the anecdotes, just two years ago, I looked on the WHO site about this, and found the official explaination for the accidental contamination. They said it was a manufacturing goof up.
Now there's no mention of that.
Now it's just another conspiracy theory.
Very weird.
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