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... I will now stew in my own juices until I feel like dishing something out.





















And elsanne is out of town until Sunday, so I suspect I'll be stewing awhile.

You're a slow cooker meal.
post #722 of 822
We are religiously opposed to vaxes, even though the vast majority of our church is not. We're a bible-based church and the Bible says to go against our conscience is sin. So to vax our kiddos would be sin. To vax a child while you feel uneasy about it is sin.
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Jessica, I consider selectively vaxing to be in order with my religious beliefs as well, but ftr, I think I've read that this exemption is usually only officially honored if there is an explicit teaching against using medical care - not if a person simply interprets her religion as being opposed. Did that make sense?

I'm not arguing with your logic because I feel the same - just that I'm not sure it would hold up legally.
post #724 of 822
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Originally Posted by AidansMommy1012 View Post
You're a slow cooker meal.


Mega-hugs for the vax dilemma. Ditto what everyone else has said. You don't need any kind of exemption until you get to school/daycare. If you're feeling uneasy it's definitely better to wait until you've had a chance to research - as they say on the vax board, you can always vax later, but you can't take it back. there's no easy way to make this choice.
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Originally Posted by PancakeGoddess View Post
I think I've read that this exemption is usually only officially honored if there is an explicit teaching against using medical care - not if a person simply interprets her religion as being opposed. Did that make sense?
I don't think this is true. My faith does not teach against using medical care and I've filed a religious exemption. I have philosophical available, but I worry that it would be taken away as an option one day. Technically, they cannot ask you what religion you are. If they do, you just say that they cannot ask you that and you will not share that information. I think this actually depends on the state. My state, for example, just has you check a box on the form. I've heard of other states that require a statement that must not contain any hint of opposing certain vaccines or question the way they work or your religious exemption will not be approved. So it has to be worded carefully to be approved.

LongIsland is the resident expert on each state and exemptions, so if anyone is in doubt about their particular state then I would recommend PMing her. I did and she helped me a lot! They've also talked about this on the vax board a lot. You can probably find other threads about it there.
post #726 of 822
I'm a bit late here, but happy birthday Sarenka! I hope you had a great day and some yummy birthday cake

Kim, good luck to your DH! Realtor time usually means they are pretty darn serious!
JJoy, polish change I read it that way too. I was thinking maybe you called "the wrong kind of spa" You know, the kind that offers *special services* Though what a Polish change might entail I can't imagine. Maybe something to do with pierogi? Or perhaps it's performed in a romantic-style cow shed :

Juice, holy teeth! WOW. I hope he is using them responsibly

Pancake, that's something I worry about too. For example couldn't you be catholic and opposed specifically to the use of fetal cells in the vaxes? Does that mean you could only object to specific vaccines??? I really don't know how these things work. DDs' school was going to request that I write a letter to explain my objection but thankfully LI pointed out that I only need to fill out the state exemption form and that requesting any sort of explanation would be against the rules. My state site is fairly generic though, so I really wonder how it would hold up in court if someone decided to push the issue and request specifics...

Soap, that was a sad conversation. I am always tempted to butt in when I overhear stuff like that. Of course then I'd just fuel the fire for phrases like "breastfeeding nazis" : I wish I could think of a good standard comeback for stuff like this.
post #727 of 822
First of all many thanks for all the warm wishes!! The day contained everything, from a classic Mars/Venus argument in the morning with dh to a moment of complete and utter bliss in the snow in the forest when the sun came out. Had a small and sedate party as befits one of my age :
and some beautiful roses...

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Juice, I think it is great that you are hodding him. IT's always good to hod your child, which for everyone else's benefit is something they do to babies down South. Juice can explain more.
isn't a hod something people used to carry bricks in??

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I'm feel rather : - still can't accomplish the back carry solo. I need to print out the post I think. :
that was another birthday moment - in tears because I couldn't do it! And because I was getting frustrated with dd1 because she didn't know what to do and i knew I shouldn't...

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Ack - mutliquote isn't working for me - whever I press it, it goes to the reply window instead of waiting...what happened? Now I forget what I was replying to...
that happens to me all the time

Oh and my solids question, which I might actually post to the whole board... as you all know, dd is crawling and standing but not sitting. She's nearly 7 months, seems to have lost that thrusting reflex, has two teeth and looks ready to go on the solids. In fact she was found in another compromising situation yesterday - face in the wok which for some reason was on the floor awaiting washing up, licking out the soy sauce like a dog.

But she isn't sitting! Should we go for it?

Quag, I like those musings on the pierogi in the cowshed, I really do...
post #728 of 822
yea, I hope I'm wrong about the exemptions - I just heard that somewhere. Maybe it would work fine on the forms but not hold up in court should that ever come up? I'm not sure.
post #729 of 822
Thread Starter 
Have you ever had an understanding of something that you just can't explain? That's what this vax exemption issue is for me. Makes me want to go post a thread over there to get clarification

My understanding is that our right to be free of religious persecution trumps any law the state has. So if it did get to court, that it wouldn't even matter because we do not have to defend our religious beliefs. Basically the state cannot force you to explain anything because it goes against the Bill of Rights. Of course, that only applies in the US. Not sure about other countries.

Ack. I'm still not explaining it well.
post #730 of 822
Thanks for all the help on the vax issues...I'm in the middle of playroup, will post more later.
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In OH we have philosophical exemptions. I never had to sign anything for the ped. I DO have to sign exemption forms for school, but it's beyond easy. The form says "List the vaccines you are requesting exemption for" and I put "All childhood vaccinations" and the next space says, "List your reasons" and I put "Vaccination is inconsistent with my understanding of health." Nobody has ever batted an eye. I'm glad, though I figure if the situation changes I'll cross that bridge then.
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I would like everyone to appreciate Laura's mastery of the multiquote above.
Yay! I can do it too!

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and holy crap to those with mobility, pulling up, standing, climbing stairs! amazing! we don't even have rolling or crawling attempts here...just sitting up like a champ and playing lots!
The sitting a lot explains DS too. He plays and sits and as long as he does those things, he's happy.

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Here's a picture of all these teeth! If you go through the album, DD2's in there wearing her shades.
That's quite the mouthful of teeth! I'm loving the shades.

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JessJoy, I am seriously thinking about that dancing-with-toddler video. How FUN would that be?
I would buy it! I think there's a serious lack of workout videos that include the kiddos and make it a family affair.

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:laura, way to go! oh, and re: porn star boobs, i have heard they go down either when you start to introduce more solids or when the child weans. i did not need bigger, but i gotta say, i'm enjoying the fact that they are, er, perkier.
I don't think I'd mind so much if they were perkier too, but they are starting to sag as well. At least I never had plans for posing nude! :

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Originally Posted by ksjhwkr View Post
So, tell me what you all think of this. We don't have a ton of experience with interviews and such. Dh is interviewing with a company in Warsaw, IN on Tuesday. They are flying him out and he has interviews all day on Wednesday. Well, after his interviews they have set him up with a Realtor to show him the town and such. He got a package today from them (fedex) with his interview schedule and such, but also housing guides! Is this standard, or do you think this shows they are pretty darn serious about him? I would LOVE either place...it will be a hard choice for sure!
That definitely sounds like they are serious! How did your DH's interview go yesterday?

DH is going to apply for a job that would be perfect for him and it would be a decent raise too (there's a fairly good chance he'd get the position). However, it would also mean that we'd have to move. I'm just starting to feel settled here after 4 years, so while I'm excited that DH could be happier with this job, I'm anxious with the prospect of going through the last 4 years all over again.
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kim, any updates?
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Yeah Kim, speak up.
post #735 of 822
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Originally Posted by TanyaS View Post
Have you ever had an understanding of something that you just can't explain? That's what this vax exemption issue is for me. Makes me want to go post a thread over there to get clarification

My understanding is that our right to be free of religious persecution trumps any law the state has. So if it did get to court, that it wouldn't even matter because we do not have to defend our religious beliefs. Basically the state cannot force you to explain anything because it goes against the Bill of Rights. Of course, that only applies in the US. Not sure about other countries.

Ack. I'm still not explaining it well.
You're correct on the religious persecution thing somewhat. So the school cannot question you. However, if there are concerns for the well-being of the child and you end up in court for that, then your religious rights no longer matter, because you're endangering a child. There was a case a couple years ago where a couple had twins. I believe they were Jehovah's witnesses or something. Anyway, they were religiously opposed to blood transfusions or any kind of blood product. One of their twins died and the other was taken away by the court and given the blood transfusion. The hospital called CPS and they went to court and got the child removed.
That's why I do Well child visits and such. I try to use it to cover my butt in case of charges of medical neglect. I also have a doctor will "allow" me to not vax, so if he doesn't think my children are in terrible danger, then how can a court.
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Tomorrow is my brother's 38th birthday. So sad. We are going to the grave after church. We are supposed to write a letter for him and attach it to a balloon and let it go. Not looking forward to it. I miss him and it's too hard to grieve my brother. I don't know how. Sometimes I just wanna be a little bit sad and mourn a little at a time, but I can't. A huge wave of sadness overtakes me and I can't catch my breath. I can't deal with that. I just need to be sad a little at a time.
post #737 of 822
I'm back!
no time to read posts - I have exactly 5 days to organise things for our wedding on Saturday! (well it's called a civil union here but essentially that's what it is) - at least I was organised to get the licence before we left on holiday -:

so a quick hi from me and a hugs Jessica - grieving sucks
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JJoy... you describe that so poignantly - why can't it happen just a little at a time? And it doesn't does it, it just sneaks up on you and overwhelms you, whenever 'it' sees fit. So sorry.

Hi witt! Was missing you! How was the holiday? I remember the 5 days before my wedding, it was indeed :
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:guhs jjoy

hi witt-good luck w/the last minute stuff-we'll look forward to hearing about vacation and wedding (and seeing pics) afterward, ok?!
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JJoy -

Witt - Have a glorious wedding - hope you'll share pics!
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