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post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
in Pennsylvania, would you consider this property?

Let me give some history.

Our criteria:
within 30 minutes of Bensalem and New Hope, PA.
rural
no developments
alternative housing is a consideration, like yurts, domes, etc.
room to play (i.e. acreage, or small lot backing a wooded state park, etc)
Less than $250,000 total cost or $150 for land.

The obstacles:
A run of the mill, unappealing lot amongst a billion other homes is about $100k per acre. An appealing lot starts at $220k/acre. Land is scarce. Very little is up for sale.
The type of home we want (<1400sf, nice or with the capability of nice, rural, etc, if we were buying an existing structure) runs approx $500k.


My dad and uncles are in construction and can lend advice. Dad knows a bit, but not loads about alternative power. DH and I are handy, capable, willing and experienced with refurbs, but not building from scratch, though we can learn.

So, would you consider this lot once you looked at it?
-Sixteen acres, asking price is $110k for 10.3 acres and $39.9k for 6 acres.
-On a hillside, strewn with gorgeous but troublesome granite boulders.
-An underground gas pipeline stretches across the property. It's de-bouldered, mowed and tended by the pipeline folks. You can use the that part of the land for playing, gardening, driveways, etc., but can't build on it. It would make a great ski slope, though it's only a 'green'. Of course, it would have to snow for that to work.
-There is an inactive quarry 1/4 mile away on the other side of the hill. If it were to become active again, there would be no blasting b/c of the pipeline.

We could, theoretically, stay within our budget and build on this lot. It would be a headache, but it's a beautiful lot.

Concerns are with resale, as we don't plan to stay here forever. Possibly not more than five years, but it's hard to say. It's so cheap now because of the hassles involved in turning this into a buildable lot. (No perk tests, permits, etc., yet. All of which would be done before purchase.) We could sell off some of it into perked, permited building lots to reduce our expenses, but would rather own all of it ourselves, if possible.

Photos here.
post #2 of 20
It's beautiful, but that's a ton of rock, which might make it really hard to build on (doable of course, but lots of $$$). Have you considered calling a builder to price actually building on it? I would think once it was built resale would be fine since the hard working of clearing and blasting (if necessary) for foundation would already be done. Hope it works out for you, either on that lot or another one

eta: and you can't blast due to the pipeline, i see. So that might make it harder to put in a foundation since the ground is probably full of rock if that much is visible from the surface.
post #3 of 20
I have some friends who build their own home, from scratch. It took years--as in 15+. Granted, they had a habitable structure in the form of a garage with attached studio before then--for as long as I've known them; about 10 years--but my girlfriend was getting really tired of solar showers (esp. in the winter! ) and cooking on a hot plate looong before they finished. I think the official housewarming was 2 years ago; there are still some minor cosmetic details to be finished.

So I guess my main thing is that if you're not planning to stay very long, you're putting a lot of work into a gamble that the resale value will be good.
post #4 of 20
No.

Not with a gas line going through the property :

The boulders are beautiful! Would love to have land with rocks scattered like that. :
post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 
Well, my uncles are builders and my dad is too, separately from my uncles. We would be doing footers drilled into stone and a house on pylons, no basement of flattened home site. The price is totally doable.

I'm more wondering if you all like the site and would you enjoy living there, if you had to live in eastern PA.
post #6 of 20
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Why the "OH!" face over a gas line? They are extremely safe and even from a super-crunchy, organic, environmental mama perspective, there is nothing I can find about it that concerns me.

Now...high tension lines would be another story!
post #7 of 20
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Why the "OH!" face over a gas line? They are extremely safe and even from a super-crunchy, organic, environmental mama perspective, there is nothing I can find about it that concerns me.

Now...high tension lines would be another story!
I love the property and I would live in a stilt-house-tree-fort in a heartbeat!
post #8 of 20
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Why the "OH!" face over a gas line? They are extremely safe and even from a super-crunchy, organic, environmental mama perspective, there is nothing I can find about it that concerns me.

Now...high tension lines would be another story!
I am thinking of leaks and explosions. Its not that I have problems with gas lines but i just don't want to live near one. Heck I don't even like propane coming into my home.

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I'm more wondering if you all like the site and would you enjoy living there, if you had to live in eastern PA.
I like the site but not with a gas line running through it. The place is beautiful though having the strip running through it isnt so pretty.

Are you wanting to have animals?
post #9 of 20
THose prices are amazing for that area! And I love New Hope, lots of fun and alternative stuff there. I would go for it.
post #10 of 20
I don't think I would do that but if you love it then go for it! Don't want any regrets later!
post #11 of 20

No useful information...

other than it reminds me of where I grew up (northwest corner of NJ). Beautiful! (And it is an amazing price!!!!)
post #12 of 20
SO pretty- I'd take it. I'm so jealous, actually. Are you already in PA? We are originally from NJ, but right we are in CA and it's so $$$$$$$!
post #13 of 20
I would, yes ma'am. It's beautiful. It looks like Georgia in the pictures.
post #14 of 20
If you were going to be building a forever home, I'd say go for it. Since you think you are only going to be there a short while, I wouldn't do it. Several Reasons - Building takes a lot of time and energy, even if you have someone else do it. Permits, contractors, subcontractors, etc.

I also think the property sounds less saleable due to the gas line and the quarry. You can build the house you want for it, but I'd be worried you wouldn't be able to make your money back if you sold so soon.

I don't understand why you'd want to build a house if you don't plan to stay a long time. I'd be more inclined to look for a smaller home so I could save some serious money and buy what we really want when we moved.
post #15 of 20
I would never consider building a new home unless I were carefully designing it specifically for my family for the rest of my life. Besides the logistical/ timeframe/ expense headaches, it is horrible from an ecological standpoint to build with mostly-new materials on undeveloped land when other housing option are available.
post #16 of 20
There's an organic grassfed raw dairy farm very close to where I think you're talking about!
post #17 of 20
Just so you know, there's a great holistic practice in Stocton too!
post #18 of 20
Thread Starter 
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If you were going to be building a forever home, I'd say go for it. Since you think you are only going to be there a short while, I wouldn't do it. Several Reasons - Building takes a lot of time and energy, even if you have someone else do it. Permits, contractors, subcontractors, etc.

I also think the property sounds less saleable due to the gas line and the quarry. You can build the house you want for it, but I'd be worried you wouldn't be able to make your money back if you sold so soon.
If I were to make money off the whole deal, I wouldn't be scared of the work and would actually enjoy a large portion of it. However, I do think you're right about resale potential.

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I don't understand why you'd want to build a house if you don't plan to stay a long time. I'd be more inclined to look for a smaller home so I could save some serious money and buy what we really want when we moved.
In most places in the US, I would agree with you. Here, though, we literally can't afford anything that's even remotely desirable. I mean, we're willing to compromise a LOT of our desires to get closer to work, but we still can't afford anything. With the exception of LA, Honolulu and NYC, it doesn't get any more expensive than this small radius we have available to us. The whole point of contemplating this lot is to save money for our future desires, keep us from being house poor and to provide our son with a better day-to-day life than he has right now.
post #19 of 20
If it were me I would buy it, and put up a yurt that could be dismantled and sold, when you decide to move.

That would solve most of the problems, right?

BTW, The rocks look very familiar! They are everywhere here, my goats love them!

ETA, You might get some more feedback if you post in Country Living/Off-Grid.
post #20 of 20
sure. looks great.

we're looking at land (have been for years) in the NC mountains and people build on top of and around boulders like that all the time. my MIL has a moutain house right near a creek built on top of huge boulders. i don't think that should be a deterrent.
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