Mothering › Forums › Education › Learning at School › tell me about public preschool -- the good, the bad, and the ugly!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

tell me about public preschool -- the good, the bad, and the ugly! - Page 2  

post #21 of 39
Ok, let's clarify. A public preschool is generally a preschool endorsed by the county's school system. A private preschool is a preschool which has it's own curriculum, etc and is in no way affected by the county/state (other than regulations of ratios/nutrition/health and safety. There is no charge for public preschools.
post #22 of 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirsten View Post
I'm a little confused by what you mean by public vs. private preschool. I've never heard of any free preschools.
A couple of posters have expressed this so I wanted to comment. There are free public preschools in the United States--not everywhere, but many places. Some are aimed at low income families. For example, in Arlington, VA kids who would qualify for free lunch, qualify for free preschool. In San Francisco, there are preschools at the child development centers. Some of those kids go for free based on family income and caregivers work schedules. Additionally, federal law requires a free education to children eligible for special education beginning at age 3. Most districts accomodate that requirement by having their own preschools, some send kids out of district to other public schools or pay for private.

Hope that helps clear up the confusion.
post #23 of 39
Personally I think public preschool is wonderful. It is a great time to socialize with other kids and the children get the time of a trained, experienced teacher. I would ask what the teacher/student ratio is, what the basic plan of the day looks like, and how are problems handled.
post #24 of 39
If you are talking about a "head start" type program, I'd rot in hell before sending my child to one of those places.

They are AWFUL. At least, in my area. They are ridiculously underfunded, so each "classroom" gets 1 person with any type of credentials (generally just a GED or HS diploma with some type of Early childhood experience...which could be as little as a couple classes, or as much as an associates degree, or even a bachelors degree) and then maybe an "assistant" which is generally just another body working for $6/hr. The classrooms are in various places, from actualy public school buildings to nasty, run-down just-this-side-of-condemned buildings they can rent cheaply. The food is atrocious, the toys are crappy and filthy, and the teachers use horrible discipline methods and while they aren't supposed to isolate students in closets or hit them, ...but hey, in a class of 3 year olds, they pretty much do what they want! I've (sadly, in my role as a social worker for the state) seen it.


Now, on the up side, some of the ladies are really great, and try really hard...but the system in general is crap. The "teachers" are ridiculously undertrained, the materials/environment is bad, and we haven't even gotten to the best part.....
The KIDS!!!

i'm gonna sound like a huge ole witch here...but...the kids that go to these schools are, well, by definition, low-income, which is not necesarily an indicator of a poor home-life (lol, i should know, we're super poor here!!!) but in general, most of these kids have about as anti-AP homes as you can get....all families on public assistance(again, not necesarily an indicator if anything..), living in the subsidized housing "ghetto", with mentalities, beliefs, actions, manners, and worldviews WORLDS away from what i want my child to experience. Spanking is almost certainly the norm in 99% of these families, as is poor nutrition, domestic/other violence, drug use, generally poor manners, yelling, etc, and other poverty-class realities. The children tend to behave very poorly in the free preschools here....a lot of it due to the poor parenting they receive at home which manifests as "discipline issues" in the classroom.... My dd would have no idea how to act in that environment....the last time i went to to developmental evaluations for some of the head start students, I was kicked, spit on, had things thrown at me, was cursed at, and the teachers had to physically restrain one child from biting another.
The classrooms here are like little, horrific war zones. It is sad and infuriating (that children could be treated so poorly as to make them act the way they do) and really makes you feel hopeless, and just ...well...let's just say i bowed out of going the last time it was my turn to do developmental exams...I lied and said dd was sick and i couldn't go. It really distresses me to go to those places....

I'm certainly not saying all poor people are drug-dealing, welfare-receiving, violent people...but, at least in my area, that is the reality of a significant part of the poverty-level people, who are mostly the people whose children are going to be qualifying for the free preschool. I am in a city though, one with a super high crime and poverty rate....likely the situation would be very different in the middle of a cornfield rural area in Iowa or something..lol.

After what i've seen go on in these classrooms......no, just...no.
post #25 of 39
I think it is important to note that Head Start classrooms are very very different from location to location, as bobandjess99 stated. It would be unfair to attribute all the bad experiences had in one location to all of Head Start. Also, to the extent that they are underfunded, Head Start is a federal program and has literally been underfunded since about 1998, especially when No Child Left Behind came into being. So anyone that is concerned should be working to get the funding needed for Head Start!

But since Chinakat talked about a lottery system, and Head Start is based on income eligibility only, I doubt this is the same thing.

We will all be curious to know how the open house goes, though!!
post #26 of 39
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by crl View Post
Additionally, federal law requires a free education to children eligible for special education beginning at age 3. Most districts accomodate that requirement by having their own preschools, some send kids out of district to other public schools or pay for private.
As I understand it, this is the case in my school district. There is a lottery for all spaces unfilled by kids with special ed needs.
post #27 of 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by chinaKat View Post
As I understand it, this is the case in my school district. There is a lottery for all spaces unfilled by kids with special ed needs.

Oh yeah. I think this is really common. Many kids eligible for special education really benefit from exposure to normally developing peers (my special ed kiddo sure does). So districts set up classrooms designed to include normally developing peers. (The ratio varies, my kiddo is currently in a child development center classroom with 24 normally developing peers and 4 special ed kids, but I think it's a bit unusual. More typical might be a one to one ratio.) Those classrooms will most likely have a teacher with significant education in special education, plus aides. The staff to student ratio is usually really good because the special needs kids require that and federal law demands that their needs be met.

I think in this scenario, I would want to know the ratio of special needs kids to normally developing peers. And I'd be even more interested in how discipline is handled. Some special ed kids may be pretty frustrated with communication and other difficulites so I think it's really important that the school have a good handle on how to deal with that.
post #28 of 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by lauren View Post
I think it is important to note that Head Start classrooms are very very different from location to location, as bobandjess99 stated. It would be unfair to attribute all the bad experiences had in one location to all of Head Start.
:
post #29 of 39
Oh, I am back with you now - Head Start. Yes, I have heard of that. Just never heard it referred to as public preschool. Sorry.

I don't think we have that in my area now, but I know it exists in my hometown. A good friend's MIL teaches there. Knowing her I'd guess that that one is very good, if woefully underfunded as everything is.

I'd just go and see what you think. There are bound to be great ones, terrible ones, and everything in between.

If the lotto for public preschool doesn't work out, I'd look into co-op preschool. They are often run through (and subsidized by) local community colleges. The one my dd3 goes to is run by a CC that is 30 minutes away so you don't necessarily need to have a CC in your town. It is $62 or $72 a month (I forget...) but I think that is very reasonable for what you get.

I have also asked my MIL for things like this as birthday, Mother's Day, anniversary gifts. When dd1 was little, she bought me diaper service as gifts; it was great! Something I wanted, she could just call and pay over the phone, win/win. Maybe that is an option if the lotto doesn't pan out?
post #30 of 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirsten View Post
Oh, I am back with you now - Head Start. Yes, I have heard of that. Just never heard it referred to as public preschool. Sorry.
I don't think the OP is actually talking about Head Start. There are public preschools run through the regular public school system. These schools are not affliated with the Head Start program. The funding sources, admistration, etc are completely separate. Not every place has them, but many do. (And everywhere in the US has this in some form for special education.) Some are income based, but others are not. Gosh, it seems this is so unheard of here, and yet both places I have lived since having a kid has these--guess my experience is more unusual than I thought!
post #31 of 39
My 4 yo dd is in a public preschool and we LOVE it! Next year we hope to continue into kindy in the same school, but we specifically picked this preschool to fit my dd's personality. She is very sweet, delicate, loving and doesn't like a lot of rough and tumble. I think for preschool, the teacher and class environment is what you search for. We visited another public preschool but the environment was less controlled (and I wanted a more go, go, go type of environment so there wasn't much room for negative behavior, I wanted those kids to be busy and supervised.) and we found it to be much more chaotic. I think it would have been too much for my dd. This was the first time she was going to be away from us, 3 days a week for 2.5 hours, and I wanted it to be a positive experience.

I guess the only down side i see to a public preschool is that we have to help out with classroom supplies sometimes (if we choose to). It kind of bothers me that they charge tuition AND ask for wipes, tissues etc. But the good side of public is if you are a selectively vaxing family (as are we) or a non vaxing family and live in a state where you have a philisophical exemption, they have to take you, where the privates I think can choose.

that's my 2 cents!
post #32 of 39
Head Start is Head Start.

Public Preschool is Public Preschool.

It's just like Kindergarten, or first grade or second grade etc... You register your child. They go to the local public school where they attend a 1/2 day preschool. It's free, just like public school because it's part of the what the district offers for public schooling.

The Public Preschool that is run through our district is a lottery system, but it's grown so large (there is at least one preschool classroom in every public school in the district and they offer both morning and afternoon classes) that nobody gets turned down.
post #33 of 39
The public preschools in my area still cost money, unless you qualify. They are considerably more reasonable than the private schools, however.
post #34 of 39
I think there is still a misunderstandin as to what a public preschool is. Public preschools don't cost money. I preschool at a childcare center or a free standing building owned by a private citizen is not a public preschool, even though theoretically anyone in the community can go to these. A public preschool is free. A public preschool is not Smart Start or Head Start.

We have an incredible Smart Start program though. The teachers are educated (bachelors degree in Early Childhood Education) and really apply what they learned while in college. gentle Discipline, redirection, etc. Awesome ladies (and men).

I met a few ladies who work with our Smart Start progrma when I was at a childcare seminar. AMAZING!
post #35 of 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by Potty Diva View Post
I think there is still a misunderstandin as to what a public preschool is. Public preschools don't cost money.
Well, in Arlington County, VA the Montessori program in the public school system charges tution for 3 and (I think?) 4 year olds who do not qualify for free on the basis of income. After that the program is free for all kids--so K through 5th grade is free. Definitely part of the public school system. And there are some children in the child development centers in San Francisco whose parents pay tution as well. I don't know whether that is a sliding scale or some other arrangement. And the CDCs are also part of the public school system!

Wow, I guess there is just a huge variety of arrangements out there!
post #36 of 39
Thread Starter 

Update -- I went to the open house!

Well, I was very pleased with the open house.

The format is 15 children per room, max, with a minimum of three adults (but potential for more -- sometimes the special needs children will have one-on-one instruction).

The teachers and aides were quite nice and interacted very well with the children. The other parents seemed friendly, too.

I asked about discipline (regarding issues like hitting and biting) and their approach is to redirect (not time outs). No token economies or sticker charts or anything like that.

There is a three-year old class 3x a week and a 3 & 4 year old class 4x a week (both are 9-11:30). I'm leaning toward the 3 YO class as DD will be a very young 3 when she starts.

They have circle time, open play, craft time, and gym and music each once a week. Plus outdoor playtime. It seemed like a good schedule. The emphasis seemed to be on PLAY, which I'm happy with.

The only negative was... it didn't turn out to be free! However the cost is minimal in comparison to private day care ($169/mo for 3 days and $209/mo for 4 -- both half day). We can deal with that.

Oh, and DD had a BLAST playing with all the toys and with some of the other kids.

Now, I have to cross my fingers and hope our name comes up in the lottery. We won't know for a month...
post #37 of 39
Thanks for letting us know. Fingers crossed you win the lottery!
post #38 of 39
That sounds like a pretty good program! Good luck!
post #39 of 39
my district has free public preshcool. It's not head start. the spaces are half for special needs kids and the other half are low income kids. some of the low-income fmaileios pay on a slinding scale, some are free.

anyway, I've heard they're highly desirable spots because of the quality of the classrooms and teachers. I'm about to see for myself (SN kiddo)
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Learning at School
This thread is locked  
Mothering › Forums › Education › Learning at School › tell me about public preschool -- the good, the bad, and the ugly!