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post #161 of 171
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Originally Posted by mnnice View Post
Crunchy Tamara--

I don't think from your discription that the premium from organics is that much higher than a lot of the U.S. I bought milk yesterday for $6.19 a gallon; the conventional was $1.88. What probabily is different is the percentage of income people spend on food. Food still is not a very high portion of middle and upper income Americans.
Yeah, that might be true.

But $1.88 for å GALLON of regular milk?? Here I would have to pay $5 for a gallon regular milk. Not that I would ever buy it! Organic milk is actually not much more expensive than regular milk, for some reason. It would be something like $1 extra for a gallon. But other than that, organic is usually twice the price of regular food.
post #162 of 171
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Originally Posted by Mommay View Post
European countries have higher standards of safety regarding meat, and require labeling of genetically modified foods. I'm assuming that's true of Norway. If that was the case, I'd feel better about buying conventional foods. But here, even if I could get past the pesticides issue (and some conventional veggies and fruits have smaller amounts than others), there is still the issue of gmo. So my point is that I think you're doing okay.

ETA: In fact, one of the downfalls of ranchers in America is that the way they produce beef tailored to American companies makes the beef unsellable in Europe (because beef feed contains chicken s**t and other animal products), as well as a lot of other gross stuff. blech.


Genetically modified food isn`t allowed to sell in Norway at all, avtually. But that will change soon, I`m afraid of. (The European Union will make sure of that. )

Most Norwegian stores sells very little foreign meat. I have never bought any, actually.
post #163 of 171
This thread made me curious about what people mean when they say that organic food is affordable or not, so I posted a poll in Frugality and Finances. I'd love to see more responses from people in this thread who feel organic is affordable, or feel that it isn't.

Poll: What percent of your budget is spent on groceries?
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=593867
post #164 of 171
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please don't flame me for restarting this

Please don't flame me for restarting this thread, but i wanted to share a couple things with those who wanted to help me. First thank you for telling me about Trader Joes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I went there to day and practically did the happy dance all throughout the store. Yes it really makes a big difference compared to Whole Foods. Only one draw back its exactly 37miles door to door thats 74 miles round trip. So dh and I loaded up. I cant afford gas wise or 4 years seated in car that long... too often. Nonetheless I am grateful for having found it.
Also I have found a local dairy farm to purchase milk from. Thank you much!!!!
post #165 of 171
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Originally Posted by SquishyKitty View Post
Organic stuff isn't really "Trendy" here, so there isn't a lot of it to be found. So, I read labels and get what is best. I have eliminated trans fats from our diet, and am working on weeding out all the HFCS now.

Once we are back in the states and have the option to shop around, it might be an option, but german markets haven't really given in to the organic craze, so we do our best with the farmers markets and a combination of the bakeries here, the different markets like the fish market, and the commissary for stuff we want from home like cereal.

I think the food here has a lot less preservatives anyhow, and is overall more healthy.
also sent as a PM as I am not sure if the person I have quoted is going to read the message.
Where on earth are you living in Germany??? There are several organic super market chains, with large stores and I have never ever had a problem to get organic food in Germany. In fact, we almost solely eat organic at our house and I have been eating that way since I was born 24 years ago.

Have a look here to find an organic store near you:
www.alnatura.de
www.basic-bio.de
www.biomarkt.de
www.oekonova.de/23biob.htm

Apart from that you will find organic foods in large supermarkets like Rewe, Tengelmann, even discounters like Aldi, Lidl, Plus, Norma and the like sell organic goods. Even small towns have organic stores (mind you, they are small but you get what you need!), so-called 'Reformhaus' stores sell organic food (www.neuform.de) and you can even get organic produce delivered to your door (www.oekokiste.de). Please also have a look at www.demeter.de, the organisation for bio-dynamic foods and www.bioland.de. And ontop of allof that I can also tell you the URLs of a few online stores that deliver everything to your home with DHL. Now how's that?!

If I can help you any further please feel free to PM me

And to answer the OP - I do not judge people who buy non-organic foods as we can only buy that when DH earns enough. But what I judge (and I admit being guilty of that) are people who solely buy junk food and either are overweight or have children in tow - that's something that I can not understand!
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post #167 of 171
Organic food is super expensive in my area, but I've noticed that the price is finally coming down. So instead of 3 times as much it's only 2 times. We have a Trader Joe's as well, but it's about 15 - 20 miles from me and I'm seriously time crunched most of the time so it's hard to get there. Costco is carrying a lot of organic so I've been buying it there more. I just wish they'd get a bigger selction of organic frozen veggies.
post #168 of 171
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride View Post
What's the advantage to health food store peanut butter? I buy the peanuts only kind at the grocery store - is there a step up from that?
if you can, try to get peanut butter made from VALENCIA peanuts. they tend to be grown in a less humid climate and have a lower incidence of mold.
post #169 of 171
For people that truly are on a tight budget and cannot afford organic, I totally understand. If you are in the right climate for it you could always garden your own for even less than conventional would cost.

However, I sell organic produce in my family run store. I do not mark up the produce much at all, hoping to make it more affordable for EVERYONE. A few days ago, two women came in together. They were like "Everything is SO expensive! We can't afford to eat like this!". As they checked out the few items they bought, they were discussing the (at least ) $200 dollars each they had just spent at the clinique counter and how their husbands were going to kill them to see more on their charge card at my store. They spent less than $20 on stuff in my store, and it wasn't organic food, it was Burts bees stuff. Some people just don't prioritize according to what's healthier for them.

p.s. i did tell them that when they ran out of their clinique stuff to come back and i'd hook them up with some chemical free beauty aids that wouldn't break their wallet.
post #170 of 171
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Originally Posted by funkygranolamama View Post
For people that truly are on a tight budget and cannot afford organic, I totally understand. If you are in the right climate for it you could always garden your own for even less than conventional would cost.

However, I sell organic produce in my family run store. I do not mark up the produce much at all, hoping to make it more affordable for EVERYONE. A few days ago, two women came in together. They were like "Everything is SO expensive! We can't afford to eat like this!". As they checked out the few items they bought, they were discussing the (at least ) $200 dollars each they had just spent at the clinique counter and how their husbands were going to kill them to see more on their charge card at my store. They spent less than $20 on stuff in my store, and it wasn't organic food, it was Burts bees stuff. Some people just don't prioritize according to what's healthier for them.

p.s. i did tell them that when they ran out of their clinique stuff to come back and i'd hook them up with some chemical free beauty aids that wouldn't break their wallet.
Clinique is CRAP anyway!
post #171 of 171
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Originally Posted by E.V. Lowi View Post
I feel very sympathetic towards people that truly cannot afford to pay extra for organic food. I have been very poor in my own life in the past, to the point of having to choose between feeding my family or putting gas in the car to get to work the next day. So to anyone that is trying to make the op or anyone else feel guilty about the choices they make concerning food, wood or plastic toys or any other choice-back off!! It would be completely a surprise to meet anyone on this forum who doesn't have the best interests of their family, their children at heart. What else in the world would keep them coming back here to be subjected to the elitist and judgemental attitudes found within? Having said that, in all sincerity, I would like to explain why I buy organic whenever possible and support local Farmer's market. Besides the fact that the family is much more healthy in every way since we made the switch to organic, by changing our buying habits and supporting the small organic farmers, it is actually bringing the price of organic down for everyone.
30 years ago when organic food just came onto my radar, it was prohibitively expensive and hard to come by. Because of increased demand, the price of organic goods have come way down and availability has increased tremendously. Back then, you never saw organic for sale in the local market, like you do now. You had to go expensive "health food" stores and select from crummy looking, dried out vegetables and stale, inferior goods. Because the demand for organic has grown so much as people have become more aware of the downside of pesticides, gmo's and other modern methods of food production, the selection, quality and affordability of organic has expanded as a result. So part of that attitude you feel coming from an "elitist" is just the desire to support this process. The more people that purchase organic, the cheaper it becomes for everyone. HTH.
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