where is everyone finding all these intact men? - Page 4

[whateverdidiwants]

Originally Posted by Daisyuk

South Koreans all have their kids circumcised as some kind of rite of passage to adulthood when they're teenagers, it's a left over from the US occupation in the Korean war, apparently before then it wasn't done at all. The rate of infant circ is very low, but about 90% of the adult men are done when they hit their teens. She was probably just following her custom when she did it to your bil.

I don't think that's accurate. When my dh was there this summer he went to a spa with his male relatives (the kind where everyone gets naked) and said that every man he saw at the spa was intact. I think it's done in late childhood sometimes, but it's not any kind of rite of passage ritual, just screwed up American values being perpetuated across the globe.

[Daisyuk]

http://www.cirp.org/library/cultural/pang1/

Ok, I got the rite of passage bit wrong, it's stupid doctors not knowing what they're doing and following a non-existant fashion again.

[whateverdidiwants]

According to that link, the average age of circ is 12, and that's only been in the last 20 years. Most adult men are not cut. It's done becuase of medical ignorance and American imperialism, not a cultural rite of passage like is done in Africa.

[Daisyuk]

Originally Posted by whateverdidiwants

According to that link, the average age of circ is 12, and that's only been in the last 20 years. Most adult men are not cut. It's done becuase of medical ignorance and American imperialism, not a cultural rite of passage like is done in Africa.

Whatever...90% of high school kids are done, and the rate is running over 100% of births. How much higher do you want it to be?

[whateverdidiwants]

I'd like it to be 0, of course. I just think you're misrepresenting the culture and making it sound like this is something that's done in order to "become a man", and that most grown men are cut, when it's not true. Only men who are in their 20's or younger are likely to be cut. Anyone older than that is most likely intact. What's so hard to understand about that?

[mags]

Nevermind, I see that the, "rite of passage" thing is bunk.

[Daisyuk]

Well, I'm not going to get into this and post any more, I'm remembering why I stopped.

I normally include men who are in their 20s as "adults". Sorry, won't be making that mistake again.

Have a nice life, and good luck with your real life campaigning.

[Liquidskies]

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[stever_45723]

The Sotuh Korea circumcision phenomenon has been developing for the past 50 years or so. In the 80's and parts of the 90's there were a great many years when the circumcision rate was well over 100% of the birth rate. Circs in SK are usually done at ages 8-14, though some are done earlier. By the time they graduate from high school the circumcision rate is well over 90%. THe years when the circ rate was over 100% of the birth rate represent numbers of adult who were choosing to get circumcised. Yes, there are a great many older men who aren't circumcised, but a great many adults have also gotten circumcised, so the overall rate there is quite high, and among guys under 30 it is nearly universal.

[earthmama369]

I found dh right down the road from where I grew up. His mother says she never really looked into the issue. She just had an incredible upwelling of protectiveness when they came to take dh for his circumcision and told them not to hurt her baby.

For which I say THANK YOU to MIL.

[maliceinwonderland]

Out of the four partners I've had, only one is cut (my SO)..ages 23-26 range.

Two of my brothers aren't cut, 28 and 34, and none of my nephews are (the oldest is 20, youngest is 4). I was actually surprised, because my family is the bottlefeeding/spanking/doctors know everything/pro vax type, and as it turns out my oldest sister is VERY opposed to circing..I never thought we'd agree on anything regarding parenting!

[RiverSky]

Canada. It's totally normal for men in their 30s and early 40s to be intact, unless they are Jewish.

[number572]

Mine? Venezuela & Argentina...


(no, NOT at the same time)

[~Kira~]

Re: the Korean circumcision practices:


http://www.cirp.org/library/cultural/pang1/

http://www.cirp.org/library/cultural/kim1/








- Kira

[Microsoap]

My ex's family is a VERY interesting case.

They're an African-American family in a small Louisiana town full of White people. They have 9 kids! 5 boys, 4 girls. My ex is 7 of nine kids. Their father is intact. They left the first 2 intact (born early-'70s). Then there's the next brother, cut (around 26). Then him (born '83) who's cut and finally his youngest brother (19 now) who's cut.

I wish HE had been left intact, but he says he's very happy w/ his (cut) status!

[4stgal]

My dh is intact. He is from NC and was born in the late 60s. He once told me that it was because his mom didnt have the money to get him circ. When we found out we were having a son, he wanted him circ cause he said he always wanted to be. I thought it was more about a social class issue with dh. He also said he wanted ds to be circ cause he would last longer in bed.

After researching circ, i told dh there was no way in the world i'd let someone cut up my new baby. Dh said ok. That was the end of that. I think there are men out there who arent circ for one reason or another.

[Aura_Kitten]

my lover is full-blooded American and fully intact. so ... chances are you'll eventually, er, :: cough :: ... come ... across one.

[trmpetplaya]

I met my intact dh in middle school I met my first bf - also intact - in elementary school. I dated both in high school. They were both only children of older parents (both dh's parents were in their 40s and ex-bf's father was in his mid-40s). Both their fathers were circumcised and I think because the fathers were older the mothers realised that some of the problems could stem from circumcision and also I think they both knew they would only have one child and so they researched the heck out of circumcision. That's what I think, at least. My MIL passed away 10 days after we married so I'll probably never know why dh was left intact. I'm very glad he was though!

Both ex-bf and dh were born and raised in the US as were all four of their parents.

love and peace.

[lasciate]

My husband is American, and intact.

None of the men in his family are circumsized, because his grandparents are from Germany and it's just not done there. When his dad (my FIL) was born in the US, his mother (my GMIL) was given forms to sign after the birth. She asked what they were, and the doctors told her to just sign them. She said no, and again asked what they were. Then it was explained to her that they were circumcision consent forms. She asked what circumcision was. They told her, and she said they'd do that to her son over her dead body. Her sons are intact, and her son's sons are intact, just as any male children we might have will be.

My brothers are all circed, because my parents didn't know any different.

[~Yola]

My Dh (38) his brother (33) and his half-brother (27, and single!) are all intact.

When my MIL was pregnant her female Doctor asked if she intended to circ if she had a boy. When MIL replied that she hadn't thought of it and didn't realize she had a choice her Doc said "Oh it's totally up to you if it's done or not, but in my opinion it is completely unessesary and quite traumatic for the baby" !!!!!!! This same Doctor later lost her license for 20 years for prescribing an hearbal poultice instead of antibiotics for an infection.

My Dh and his siblings are also unvaxed, bf past age three and HS'd. I love my IL's!