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post #21 of 56
Well, I have generally found the quickest way to move on from something I don't want to talk about is making a statement "I don't see that as our problem" and then asking them a question ("my ds is loving this karate class, what about your dc?")

I have also answered with, "well, that was also a HUGE concern of mine (not really, but showing sympathy to the questioner), but then I did the math. At school ds had a bit less than 5 hours or recess time, now that we homeschool we have playdates during the week that easily exceed that 5 hours". And, sometimes, I say (if I am feeling cranky), "You know, I really like that I am at least in the same space when those playdates are occur, I have noticed that sometimes smaller children need help working out frustration, anger or other issues when they play" (let those people connect the dots about socialization during recess!)

And, because I am on a roll, one thing that just came up, is that well, at school kids can see their best friend every single day (sit with them at lunch, stand in line, meet up during recess). To that I simply say, you are right that exact type of socializing does not occur in our homeschooling life.
post #22 of 56
: Love these responses.
post #23 of 56
If her statement was "I worry about socialization," then I might just say, "I don't worry about that" and leave it at that.
post #24 of 56
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"Social retard?"
I would have replied, "You learned that in public school didn't you?"
I love it!! (and probably oh so true)

I'm the type to come back with one of the earlier sarcastic responses.
post #25 of 56
Actually, I usually just tell them about homeschool groups - lots of people have no concept that we actually do spend as much time out as in...but I try not to be too negative as I'm in a small town. Sometimes what comes off as confrontation is truly curiosity...just on a subject that we're all tired of.

Oddly enough, these usually come up on flag football sidelines, scout meetings, and other places whre my children are "socializing."

Lucie
post #26 of 56
My snarky response is, "Have you talked to my daughter?"

My less snarky response is, "Actively participating in the greater community every day is more socialization than any school child gets."

I mean, the kiddo is only 2 and will happily carry on a full conversation with an adult once she knows them. She says "please" and all those polite words, often without prompting. She takes turns talking and likes to make new friends. How much more "socialized" should any child under, say, 10 be?
post #27 of 56
my personal favorite response:
I don't know about YOU, but every single day of school I was reminded, "you're not here for socializing"

Lucky for us, our whole life is about socializing -- my formerly-schooled self is making up for lost time

~diana
P.S. Whenever anyone uses the word REtard around us, I assure them we are merely "tarded" it stuck the first time and have no need to have it done to us again!! (hence re-tarded)
post #28 of 56
I tend to ask, "How much time do children get in school for socializing?" I know in our school here the children have one 15 minute recess, aren't allowed to talk at lunch, and most teachers don't allow much talking in the classroom either. They usually agree with this and let it go.
post #29 of 56
Didn't read all the post but my short answer to folk is, "Socialization? Oh, that's never been a problem. My kids know how to socialize with all ages and backgrounds being not in a school setting". And if they are referring to having a group of friends near their own age, I just tell them the truth. "They have a great group of friends, schooled and non schooled.
post #30 of 56
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Originally Posted by oceanbaby View Post
I usually say something like "If we had any more socialization, we wouldn't have time to sleep. Ds is one busy little guy!"
That's pretty much the route I go down. I exclaim that he has about 50 friends who are homeschooled (which is true) and we see some of them every single day. He socializes with people of all ages, much more so than schooled kids.

I do SO get sick of this question. My own father kept saying, "You are going to ruin him; he's so social..." But I just took him to our homeschooling co-op for a kick-in-the-pants, and now he leaves it alone. He sees that my son is RARELY without another child/adult by his side.

Marie
post #31 of 56
Ask them this; "How do children who dont have social skills yet learn them from other children who also dont have them yet?"

It makes WAY more sense that kids learn socialization from socializing with ALL age groups, espeically older kids and adults.

I dont believe in peer grouping. When else in life does that happen? Do they stick you in the office with all the other 30 year olds at work? I mean come on.
post #32 of 56
I am really enjoying this thread.

Just wanted to add a thought- Laura Ingalls Wilder spent much of her childhood "isolated" with only her immediate family nearby, and she ended up being an articulate, creative novelist. I'm sure there are many other people who grew up without all the "socialization" that everyone seems to deem necessary for "normal" development and turned out just fine. Since I am a rural, somewhat-isolated homeschooler, I take comfort in thoughts like this. We make way too much of the socialization issue. Sorry, sort of OT, but i thought it was kind of relevant.
post #33 of 56
I think public schools have HURT more kids in that area than they have helped. How many times have you heard the phrase "kids are cruel'? How many highschool horror stories do you hear? Hazing? Initiations? Not being 'popular'?

Kids CAN be cruel, when forced into unnatural groupings like this. Lord of the Flies was an extreme, but its on the same spectrum. Im sorry, but the first time my oldest child ever heard the term "crybaby" it was from his BESTFRIEND in preschool when he cried about being shoved off his tricycle. So he crawled into cement tunnel to cry where no one could see him.
post #34 of 56
Quick answer to socialization worries:

"Have you MET my child?!" Said with an incredulous look on my face.

My dd gets comments from strangers about how she is able to have articulate conversations (with appropriate eye contact, etc) with people of all ages. So people who ask me about socialization just aren't paying attention.

Another good response (but longer):

"SOCIALIZATION is the process by which a child learns and displays the social skills valued by their culture. Teaching these skills is best handled by the parents. SOCIALIZING is spending time, playing and talking with friends. Socializing is firmly discouraged in public school classes. Ever heard a teacher say 'No talking'?"

I say this because people sometimes get the two concepts - socialization and socializing - mixed up. Especially if they aren't really all that educated about homeschooling.
post #35 of 56
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"SOCIALIZATION is the process by which a child learns and displays the social skills valued by their culture. Teaching these skills is best handled by the parents. SOCIALIZING is spending time, playing and talking with friends. Socializing is firmly discouraged in public school classes. Ever heard a teacher say 'No talking'?"
you beat me to it. I truly think most of the time they really mean socializing.
post #36 of 56
Our DS tried going to school for a semester (partly because he is seriously thinking about going to school later so he can be in sports, and we wanted him to see what it was like first at an earlier, "safer" age). The teacher was taken aback by his habit of thanking her "every day" (DS says it wasn't every day ) and said he was the most appreciative student she'd ever had out of more than 500 students over the years. I'd say that appreciativeness is a social skill that [should be] valued by our culture, yet our kids have many friends who never say "thank you" for anything we do for them. (Many adults also don't seem to know the simple courtesy of writing thank you notes for gifts, etc.; I'd hate to see that lovely custom die out.)

I think it's hard to come up with honest responses to people challenging homeschooling, because so many of the answers would put many traditional schoolers on the defensive. One thing I might say is, "We make sure they get lots of time with friends, but I'm also glad our family gets lots of time with each other." I think our kids, who range in age 6+ years, play together a lot more and are a lot closer than they would be if they were away at school all day. (Think of all the school kids you know who snub younger children, or even their own siblings.)







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Originally Posted by Ann-Marita View Post
Quick answer to socialization worries:

"Have you MET my child?!" Said with an incredulous look on my face.

My dd gets comments from strangers about how she is able to have articulate conversations (with appropriate eye contact, etc) with people of all ages. So people who ask me about socialization just aren't paying attention.

Another good response (but longer):

"SOCIALIZATION is the process by which a child learns and displays the social skills valued by their culture. Teaching these skills is best handled by the parents. SOCIALIZING is spending time, playing and talking with friends. Socializing is firmly discouraged in public school classes. Ever heard a teacher say 'No talking'?"

I say this because people sometimes get the two concepts - socialization and socializing - mixed up. Especially if they aren't really all that educated about homeschooling.
post #37 of 56
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Ask them this; "How do children who don't have social skills yet learn them from other children who also don't have them yet?"
I don't think that is what these people are after. When they say "How does he get enough socialization" they really mean "How does he get enough time to socialize with children who are the same age" because we all know kids can ONLY socialize with kids a few months younger or older, and that homeschooled ones are chained to the kitchen chair all day doing flash cards.

I was asked about how I could homeschool yesterday while our family was at the local swimming pool (yep it's summer over here ) Lucky for me she didn't ask the big S question. Because like someone else we are rural and social opportunities are not everyday so I can't say we see kids every day or even every second day. My daughter is thankfully quite outgoing and very quickly was playing with first two older girls, then the lady's own daughter in the pool. Of course some people may then think an outgoing child would need school more. While I think being outgoing means she can handle less social opportunities as she takes advantage of the opportunities she has and quickly finds someone to talk or play with. I'm sure in school she would quickly be in trouble for talking.
post #38 of 56
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Originally Posted by townmouse View Post
If they say, "My child is an only child so that wouldn't be true for me," I just laugh and say, "when it comes to education methods, I only have to worry about my family. This is working for us!"

I just am tired of the question. "It works for my family" is often not good enough, they want to challenge me to see how I could make it work for their family. When they don't even want to do it!

I want people to understand that it is not my job to solve America's education crisis. Not on a national level, not case-by-case. I'm just one mama, making choices for the best life for my own children.
Thank you for articulating this! You are right that there are plenty of people out there who want to challenge homeschooling because they don't see how it could work for THEIR family or EVERY family.
post #39 of 56
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For my DD, I would just worry about the socialization
My answer:
"Oh, have you considered homeschooling then?"

her:, oh, no!

(optional follow up) me: Well we've found both the socialization and socializing are much more positive experiences homeschooling than away-schooling.



I do get tired of people feeling like they need to explain why they don't homeschool by covertly (or not so covertly) slamming homeschooling.
post #40 of 56
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