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post #21 of 44
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bri276 View Post
since you are busy taking care of him, try to get someone else out to go find a sodium ascorbate version of vit c. the others won't cut it. it really is a big difference unfortunately. however, it may be difficult to find pure SA, it may be mixed with other forms, just take what you can get and meanwhile order some online.

if it sounds like a bark instead of a whoop, it's probably croup (I rhymed lol). cold air does help croup.

here is a sound of a bad WC (I want to give this poor baby tons of SA!!)

http://www.whoopingcough.net/sound%2...20whooping.htm

is that what it sounds like?
His cough sounds similar, in that he's gasping like that between coughs, but the actual coughs are definately dry and barky. (Does this help any?)
post #22 of 44
From reading the rest of your post, it does sound like wc to me and a pp said sodium ascorbate is much better than vita c and I agree 100%.

Seems like you've calmed down a bit, too. You can take some sa also.

It won't harm you either.

Don't give him milk. And if he is not hungry tomorrow, don't make him eat. Just make sure he drinks a bit every so often.
post #23 of 44
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Originally Posted by mammakerry View Post
His cough sounds similar, in that he's gasping like that between coughs, but the actual coughs are definately dry and barky. (Does this help any?)
any pediatrician worth his weight in salt can diagnose croup immediately by hearing the child cough over the phone- it sounds like a barking seal. although, if it was croup, the cold air should have made it better not worse.
post #24 of 44
IMO, it is croup. Sleep in his room and take him to the ER if it gets worse.

If his fever gets high, take him to the ER.

Don't let him use your inhaler, the way they do breathing treatements is different than how the inhaler works.

I have an albuterol inhaler and have still been subjected to breathing treatements when it got too bad (allergy induced asthma)
post #25 of 44
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Originally Posted by Cloverlove View Post
I really disagree with the cold air. Cold air *constricts* the airways and that is the last thing he needs right now. Also, it can be damaging to already irritated cilia. Warm steam is your best bet.
Cool air can shrink the swollen tissue lining the airway.

It is often recommended for croup.
post #26 of 44
Thread Starter 
It may have been the wind outside that made him worse, I was having trouble catching my breath as I ran inside with him in my arms.

I'm going to sleep with him tonight, and see how he is in the morning.

Thank you all so much for your quick responses. Yet one more reason why I adore MDC.

Also, my mom has had a bad cough for months now. She's been on antibiotics, and the doctors just keep telling her to take more antibiotics along with cough syrup with codine and that she has bronchitis. She's been throwing up after coughing fits too. She just told me a guy at her work had whooping cough. : She thinks I'm crazy for not taking him to the ER, or at least to the ped. tommorrow morning, and won't even consider thinking that she HAS whooping cough and gave it to DS.
post #27 of 44
Whether it's croup or whooping cough, you can still give him the sodium ascorbate.

I'll post a link to where I buy mine just in case -

http://www.bronsonvitamins.com/app/s...tm?&item_id=50


You may be able to get it at your health food store, too. And you could suggest it to you mom as well.

Have a good night.
post #28 of 44
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Originally Posted by abimommy View Post
Cool air can shrink the swollen tissue lining the airway.

It is often recommended for croup.
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croupy coughs sound like a barking seal, dry and harsh. kids can struggle for breaths with croup as well as w c, my son would stop breathing during severe attacks, it was awful! his little eyes would bug out and his face would turn purple and he would try to talk to me but couldnt squeak out a thing. doc would give him a codiene cought syrup and a steroid but neither of them really helped much, the best thing for it was to alternate cold fresh air with warm steamy air. it breaks up the stridor that causes the barkiness of the cough.

mama... hope your little one feels better soon!
post #29 of 44
it's always scary when they're sick and you're not sure what it is. maybe next time just stand near an open window for the cold air. but per your mom's story- sounds like wc. I'd order the SA, it's good to have around anyways. reminds me, I'm running low!
post #30 of 44
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Originally Posted by carmel23 View Post
mamakerry--if you feel like your son needs something don't be afraid of what others think--you are a good mama because of your concern for your son and making the best choices for him you are able to make... Cool air does wonders for a cough, but if you think it is something serious, don't worry about the judgement of the ER folks...
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Also, I have asthmatic reactions and the one thing guaranteed to make it worse? COLD AIR. I wouldn't rely on it as a cure.

For the love of all that is holy, if your child really cannot breathe, GO TO THE ER. I'd MUCH rather have albuterol side effects than feel like I am slowly suffocating. And yeah, I've been on the stuff and I don't particularly like it. Still, there are times when it is USEFUL and FAR BETTER than the alternative!
post #31 of 44
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Originally Posted by BelgianSheepDog View Post
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Also, I have asthmatic reactions and the one thing guaranteed to make it worse? COLD AIR. I wouldn't rely on it as a cure.
That is true, with asthma it won't work. If it is croup, he will have a swollen throat constricting the airway. But they can sound similar. I sound like I have croup right now.

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For the love of all that is holy, if your child really cannot breathe, GO TO THE ER. I'd MUCH rather have albuterol side effects than feel like I am slowly suffocating. And yeah, I've been on the stuff and I don't particularly like it. Still, there are times when it is USEFUL and FAR BETTER than the alternative!
I agree, I would keep a very very close eye on him. If he wakes again just take him in. If he can't even sleep he needs to be seen.
post #32 of 44
My concern is with the fever. How long has he had a fever? My dd just had what I thought was a cold (running nose, coughing, etc...). Then got a fever. After 5 days, I took her to the ped. to find out she had horrible ear infections. She said her ears don't hurt
I don't even think your ped would bring up the vax issues if your bringing in a sick kid.
post #33 of 44
Quote:
Also, I have asthmatic reactions and the one thing guaranteed to make it worse? COLD AIR. I wouldn't rely on it as a cure.

For the love of all that is holy, if your child really cannot breathe, GO TO THE ER. I'd MUCH rather have albuterol side effects than feel like I am slowly suffocating. And yeah, I've been on the stuff and I don't particularly like it. Still, there are times when it is USEFUL and FAR BETTER than the alternative!
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YEAH that!!
post #34 of 44
Thread Starter 
The fever just started last night. He was perfectly fine yesterday, except that he was a bit clingy and wouldn't eat. Then around 9 he began to cough, and by 11 had a fever of 100.9 plus some major coughing spells. He slept ok last night, and we're about to go get in the shower. His breathing sounds a bit wheezy, but his fever is down.
post #35 of 44
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Originally Posted by kwren23 View Post
..... doc would give him a codiene cought syrup and a steroid but neither of them really helped much, the best thing for it was to alternate cold fresh air with warm steamy air. it breaks up the stridor that causes the barkiness of the cough.
I agree and the SA will help get rid of it fastest and then the child does not have to get rid of the poisons from the medicine on top of it. I am one for letting the child get over it naturally. Except if the mommy instincts tell me otherwise. (Actually now they are grandma instincts.)

I raised three kids and none ever had abx. Not once. And they are super healthy and super athletes now.

Same with my gran-children, none of them ever had abx.

But back to the op -

I hope your child can ride it out without interference. Cod liver oil is good, if the child can handle it, too.

btw, fevers have a tendency to go up and down. That's how the body handles it the best. Fever is a good thing. It is the body's defence mechanism and should not be interfered with. I never even measured the fever in my kids or grandchildren.

So, what I am saying is that just because the fever is down now, does not mean it's not going to come back again. Kids generally get the fever back again in the afternoon and in the evening. That is normal. That shows the body is fighting the infection off. It's amazing how well the body works and how efficient.

I watch the grandchildren when they are sick and of course I had experience from my own kids, so I've seen how the body works. It is a miracle.
post #36 of 44
Thread Starter 
His breathing got alot better with the shower. (where's the yay smiley?)

If he gets to sick I'll take him to the doctor/urgent care/ER (whatever's open.) I was taken to the ped every 6 weeks in the winter because I was always getting sick. They would give me antibiotics, and I'd be sick 6 weeks later anyways. Now that I'm older, if I an REALLY sick and need some medicine most antibiotics don't help at all, probably because I had sooo much of it as a kid.

My mom is on me right now to take DS to the doctor, but really.. he's been sick for less than 24 hours! I'd rather try natural remedies and rely on mommy instincts.

On the asthma note, I was diagnosed with asthma as a child, but now that I'm an adult I know that it was more panic attacks than asthma attacks. On a VERY rare occassion I'll have an asthma attack, but I know exactly what they feel like, and that's when I'll take the albuterol. DS isn't acting like he's having an asthma issue.
post #37 of 44
Thread Starter 
I got sodium ascorbate (yay co op!) but how much should I give him and how do I get him to take it? I don't think he'd be willing to eat some powder off a spoon?
post #38 of 44
Kerry,

You want to get to bowel tolerance. Knowing your DS's size, I would start w/maybe 1/2 teaspoon in some OJ if he can tolerate it, lemonade is good too (but so much sugar). And give him more every 45 min-1hr as often as you can.

I know w/WC you have to get really good amts of SA into him.

Please go over to the vax forum and search for the thread about antibiotics making WC worse. Something about the antibiotics exploding the WC virus and then causing too much stress on the body as the body now tries to get rid of huge amts of toxins.

Your mom coughing for months and her co-worker having WC and the puking really makes me think WC.

hth
Amy
post #39 of 44
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Originally Posted by Kundalini-Mama View Post
Please go over to the vax forum and search for the thread about antibiotics making WC worse. Something about the antibiotics exploding the WC virus and then causing too much stress on the body as the body now tries to get rid of huge amts of toxins.



Dosage of SA in whooping cough according to MT -

375 mg/per kg body wt of child or to bowel tolerance.

This really, really works from everything I've read.

abx makes wc much worse and last much longer.

wc is the 100 day disease but it gets less severe after a few weeks. Hang in there.


Mix the powder with anything cool. Nothing hot. I mix it with O.J., apple juice, bm or just water and a bit of honey. You can use anything he likes.

Here are some of the stories I told my grandson when he used to get sick:

There is this bacteria that is trying to make a home in his body and AS will get him strong enough to put that bacteria back into it's place.

B. bacteria is a bacteria that is also found in some healthy throats so it's not like it will kill you. It really just needs to be put back into it's place.
post #40 of 44
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